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Help me remember - who stained their kitchen cabs darker with gel

metromom
15 years ago

I know I saw a post on here months ago from someone who used polyshades or gel stain to darken their kitchen cabinets to a deep espresso - does anyone remember who that was or how I could find pictures or advice? I've tried searching but nothing is coming up. Thanks!

Comments (7)

  • sweeby
    15 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Celticmoon did that, and the results were gorgeous!

  • jotx
    15 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Ran a search for this but couldn't find it. Does anyone have her page and/or a link to her refinished cabinets? Thanks for your time!

    Jo -

  • writersblock (9b/10a)
    15 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    It's in this thread, along with one from projectsnevrend:

    Here is a link that might be useful: under 20K kitchens

  • kcsunshine_2006
    15 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    If I remember correctly, celticmoon gave details on how she did it, along with pictures over in kitchens. Maybe someone there saved the thread -

  • sewwhatsnew
    15 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    I found the link under RE: Best Advice Recieved on This forum. Near the very end, also another DIY gel stain person was linked.
    Csquared, I got an email I think was from you, but it said I couldn't answer because your email is private. Ditto when I tried to email through your name here.
    With apologies for the length of this, I'm just gonna paste the whole bit here for you.

    You are welcome to this writeup I did a while back. A couple people tried
    it and reported all went well. You just need time, maybe $50 in supplies, and
    patience. No skill.

    Here's more than you need to know:

    My cabinets are frameless, good condition and good layout. But the finish
    had gone orange and ugly, with the oak graining too busy for me. Cabinets
    are 18 years old, very poorly finished oak veneered slab doors. Plain with
    no crevices. They didn't even take the doors off to finish them!!! No stain
    or finish on the hinge side edges.
    Cheezey, huh?

    I looked into changing out cabinets, but that was way too much money, since
    my layout was OK. Painting didn't seem right because the doors were plain
    slabs. I considered new doors but that still meant a lot of money. For a few
    years I tried to figure a way to add molding toward a mission look, but the
    rounded door edges made that impossible. Then trolling in a kitchen
    emporium showroom this last year I noticed dark wood slab doors, kind like
    mine, but darker. That was the answer.

    First I tried Minwax Polyshades. Dicey product. Hard to brush on neatly,
    then gummy, then seemed to leave a sticky tacky residue. I did a thread on
    the Woodworking Furum "Evil Polyshades to the Rescue" which elicited a lot
    of conflicting "expert" opinions and arguments that one must strip to bare
    wood.
    (Thread may still be around as that Forum moves slow.) I properly stripped
    acres of woodwork in an old Victorian when I was young and stupid. Never
    again! Jennifer-in-clyde (in the same boat) and I stumbled around on
    that
    woodworking thread to get to this method.

    SHOPPING LIST:
    -electric screwdriver or screw drill bits
    -mineral spirits to clean the years of gunk off the cabinet
    -miracle cloths (optional)
    -fine sandpaper
    -box-o-disposable gloves from walgreens or the like
    -old socks or rags for wiping on coats
    -disposable small plastic bowls or plates, and plastic spoons or forks for
    stirring/dipping (optional)
    -General Finishes water base Expresso stain (pretty thick, but not quite a
    gel) This one may not even be a needed step if the Java gets it dark
    enough.
    -General Finishes Java gel stain (poly based)
    -General Finishes clear top coat (poly based)
    -old sheets or plastic sheeting or newspaper

    Rockler woodworking stores are a good place to find the General Finish
    products. Or some larger hardware stores. Quart of each was more than
    enough for my 60 doors and drawer fronts and goes for $12-14 at Rockler.
    There are smaller sizes if your project is small.

    SETUP AND PLANNING:
    You will need a place to work and leave wet doors to dry overnight - I set
    up 2 spaces, garagefor sanding/cleaning and basement for staining/sealing.
    Use newpaper or plastic to protect the surface and floor. Figure out how you
    will prop doors to dry.
    Plan blocks of 20-30-minutes for sanding/cleaning bundles of, say, 6
    doors at a time. Then just 10 minute sessions to wipe on coats. The coats
    will need to dry for about 24 hours, so figure that each section of the
    kitchen will be doorless for 4 or 5 days. Divide the job up into manageable
    chunks.

    PREPARATION:
    Take off doors and drawer fronts. Use screw drill bits on an electric drill
    if you don't have an electric srewdriver. Remove all the hardware. *Mark
    alike things so you know what goes back where.*
    Clean the doors thoroughly. Not with TSP but with something pretty strong
    and scrub well. There's years of grease there.
    Sand LIGHTLY, just a scuffing really. Just enough to break the finish and
    give it some tooth, no more than a minute a door. A miracle cloth is good
    for getting most of the dust off. Then wipe well with mineral spirits to
    clean and get the last of the gunk off.
    .

    STAINING:
    In order, we're gonna put on:
    -General Finishes Expresso water based stain (1-2 coats) - optional
    -General Finishes Java gel stain (couple coats)
    -General Finishes Clear urethene gel topcoat in satin (couple coats)

    But first put on work clothes, tie up your hair (Tom, you may skip this
    step, LOL) and pop your phone into a baggie nearby (you know it will ring).
    Glove up.
    *First do a trial on the back of a door and check if Java coats alone
    suffice.
    If the Java alone is to your liking, just skip the Expresso and return it.*
    Open and stir up the Expresso stain, then spoon some into a plastic bowl.
    Close the tin so it doesn't get contaminated. Slide a sock over your hand,
    grab a gob of Expresso and smear it on. Wipe off the excess. Let it dry well
    - overnight is good. It will lighten as it dries, but then darken again with
    any other
    coat or sealer. A second coat can end up with a deeper tone at the end -
    though it might seem like the second coat is just dissolving the first.
    YMMV.

    Repeat with Java gel. This is thicker and poly based (*not water cleanup!*=
    messier). Color is a rich dark reddish brown. Wait for the second coat to
    judge if the color is deep enough for you. I wanted a very deep dark color,
    like melted dark chocolate. So I went pretty heavy on these layers. *I did
    not sand between coats*.

    Repeat with clear gel top coat. This will give you the strength you need in
    a kitchen.

    Do the same process with the cabinet sides, face and toekick area. Might
    need to divide that up also, and stagger the work: doors/cabinets/doors/
    etc.

    NOTE: The cloth or socks used for the gels are very flammable! Collect and
    store them in a bucket of water as you go and then dispose of them all
    properly.

    FINISHING AND REASSEMBLY:
    I suggest you put the doors back up after one clear coat, then you can check
    everything over and darken an area with more Java if needed, followed by a
    clear coat. When it all looks right, go over it all again with another clear
    gel coat. Or two. Install your hardware.
    The feel of the finish should be wonderful, really smooth and satiny. Color
    deep and rich - way nicer than that faded, beat 80's oak color.

    FINAL THOUGHTS:
    Definitely experiment first with the back of a door or drawer front to be
    sure it is the look you want. Yes, this takes a couple days to coat, dry,
    recoat, dry, etc but you may discover that the Java alone does the trick and
    this will save you A LOT of work. Front end patience is worth it.

    This is a pretty easy project to do. Hard to screw it up. The worst is the
    prep - relative to that, smearing on the coats is cake. I had over 60
    pieces (big kitchen) AND island sides and book shelves, etc and I admit I
    lost steam partway through. Had to push myself through the last of it. But
    it was worth it. Folks think I got all new cabinets - it looks that good.
    Now the finish will not be as durable as factory finish - go at it with a
    Brillo pad and you WILL abrade it. But it has held up pretty well. And
    after a year of pretty heavy use, I've just had a few nicks, easily
    repaired.

    I added smashing hardware, raised my passthrough, resurfaced the Corian
    (also simple but messy and tedious) and replaced the DW and sink. It looks
    gorgeous to me and I really enjoy the space - how it sits all quiet, clean
    and serene, then gets all crazy with the food and folks du jour. I couldn't
    be happier, especially that I didn't have to work another year just to pay
    for the update!!

    Link to cabinets in progress:
    http://photobucket.com/albums/b45/celticm00n/kitchen%20cosmetic%20update%20project/kitchen%20during/

    Link to almost finished cabinet pix:
    http://s16.photobucket.com/albums/b45/celticm00n/kitchen%20cosmetic%20update%20project/finished%20bit%20by%20bit/?start=20

    Good luck with your project!! Feel free to ask me any questions as you go.
    And let me know if you try it and how it turns out.

  • kcsunshine_2006
    15 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    There it is! I remember thinking she was so nice to post all that. Forever ago now! I'm off to check out that "Best Advice Received" thread!

  • jotx
    15 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Thanks so much!! She did an awesome job!

    Jo -