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Posted by bellaflora (My Page) on Sun, Feb 7, 10 at 7:43
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Would you be flattered if people copy your design ideas and use it for their house? For example, you were telling a friend that you want a modern rustic kitchen with XX cabinets, XX hardware, XX countertop and next thing you know, she, being more flushed w/ cash, went out and got your dream kitchen. Or when you just paint your house a certain color and the exact house across the street do the same.
The subdivision next to mine is brand new. This owner put in really nice landscape. She has courtyard entry, short columns flanking by 4 palms trees. Next thing you know the next door got the same landscape, and the next door, and the next. Now you drive down that subdivision and almost every house has the exact same design: courtyard, columns, 4 palm trees 2 on each side. LOL :-) When my SIl bought her house in her subdivision. She took her landscaper to a house (same elevation & model) she admire and told him, "do mine exactly like that". So not only their houses are identical, their front landscape are identical. I bet it must be annoying for the the other owner. :-)
I stole ideas from the internet all the time but the crime doesn't seem as bad because these people don't live next to me nor travel in my same circle. I try not to copy ideas from my friends' house, especially if we have mutual friends. I think most people want their house to remain unique. I am very generous with my resources & ideas with my friends and sometimes it stung a little, when a friend bought the chandelier or use the fabric I told her I was going to use in my own house. Dh thinks I should be flattered that somebody loves my ideas enough to steal it, still I'm a little bummed (at least until I find an even better chandelier or better fabric) LOL :-)
what's your take? Would you be offended if somebody copy your ideas? especially if she & you travel w/in the same circle? or you don't care and even feel flattered? |
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| I have mixed feeling about it. In our neighbourhood, two couples copied the stone we have on ours, one exactly the same color, we were flattered some but annoyed too. The worst one was a neighbour that my husband was the GC on her house, she would make excuses to my husband to go into our house, (I would be at work) and actually take pictures. My husband caught her one time. Now her house is up for sale, there are pictures on the internet and she has many of the decorating ideas we have in her home. I was not flattered or annoyed I was FURIOUS. |
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| We live on a block were most are good friends and we are always over at each others homes. We inherited a little bit of money and were able to reno our bathroom and kitchen. On a pretty tight budget, I tried to make them unique and while not high end, we tried to do little splurges to make them have that quality look. Two neighbours with way more money than us have both redone their bathrooms and kitchens after us. Both were very nice about coming over and asking about our colours and materials. I was flattered and gave them both lots of information, including what I would have done if I'd had more money. the result: they both have versions of my kitchen and bath, but much nicer. How do I feel about it? Honestly, I'm flattered, but I do have a little green monster in there that is hard to suppress. But I don't think I'm offended, because they asked. If they hadn't asked, I might feel differently. The neighbours right next door to us were painting their house last summer and asked if they could paint it almost the same colour as ours. I said they could do whatever they wanted, but that I'd prefer if they didn't and that it might look odd. They chose another colour. Having said all this, when we were painting our house I was freaking out because I couldn't pick a colour. I went to a neighbour whose house colour I liked and asked her opinion. She told me how much they liked their colour and said it would be okay if I used a similar colour. we picked a deeper shade of their colour. After they moved, another neighbour told me she was furious we had painted nearly the same colour. I didn't blame her and still wish I had been able to find a colour I loved for our house rather than what worked for them. But the point is, I guess, that it's not easy to be original and much easier to copy something you like. I think we should try to be flattered, but it's human nature to be a teeny bit offended - esp. if they try to pass it off as their own and don't give you credit. |
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| That's a tough one. I'm flattered but it's also aggravating. I had a friend who if I showed her something I was going to get she would say, "Oh I love that one. That's what I'm going to do." So I'd be turned off and choose something else. Then she wouldn't do it. Bummer. But here's something interesting...I had a hard time choosing a counter top. When I finally did and after it was installed we visited my sister-in-law and realized it was the exact same as hers. I honestly had no idea. Don't see each other often but I wonder how she felt. I wouldn't have chosen it if I knew. |
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| bella, I think you now know "not" to tell your friend what you intend to do !! As far as the neighbors all doing the same landscaping, I guess people see something beautiful in a finished stage and because they do not have any creativity, they just reproduce a sure thing, I guess that's normal. Unless you go out of your way to be original, funky, ecclectic, unusual, to the point that no one is going to be able to imitate your style, there will always be someone who wants to go the safe route and reproduce exactly what they see and love in your home decor. I guess that's why so many people want inspiration pictures on these forums, as in "show me this" and "show me that"........ but when it's your direct neighbors, yes very annoying......lol. |
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I think you're going to get the same answer from everyone. We all want unique. It's happened to me and I have to admit I was flattered and annoyed at the same time. But then I thought if they went with something different, does that they didn't like mine at all and were simply being polite? Can't win! :) Having said that, I probably wouldn't copy a neighbour or a friend with the same social circle, just to avoid any bad feelings. |
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| I'd be annoyed. I've been in the same situation years ago and it plain stinks! I think people who do this have no common sense. This story relates to your's but it has to do with clothing. When I was in high school I bought THE cutest outfit. Skirt with matching blazer. I got a lot of compliments on it. One day my best friend came to school in the exact same outfit. Know what I did? I stopped wearing the skirt and wore the blazer as an everyday jacket with my jeans. lol. |
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| This seems a little silly to me. None of us is truly unique; we all get our stuff, even our custom stuff, from somewhere. Neighborhoods all tend to look alike, anyway, whether high end or low, so of course they would have similar, even identical aspects. What difference does it make? If a color or design element fits our style, we use it. You'd have to be a hermit in the middle of nowhere, fabricating your own granite, in order to be truly unique. |
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| she has many of the decorating ideas we have in her home. It's because she can't think of it on her own. She knows she likes "pleasing to look at (fill in the blank)" but can't do it herself. Same with the landscaping copier - she wanted hers to be as attractive as the yard she liked, and it was easy enough to get by copying. IOW, not a creative bone in their bodies. I would hope that statement does not offend anyone who has ever copied something from someone, because what I am saying is: most people want their homes to be nice/comfortable. That is achieved by painting, decorating, planting, etc. Someone who is creative can see something they like, but doesn't copy. They take what they like and make it their own, or take bits and pieces from different places, adding to it, and create their unique (fill in the blank). For myself, our home is where I express my creativity. I don't paint on canvas or create ceramic pottery. I create our nest. It's personal. If I were artistic enough to paint on canvas or create ceramic pottery, I wouldn't want anyone imitating that so why would I want anyone imitating my home? Three years ago, a decorator was at my home, she asked for a tour and we chatted along the way. When we finished she said "I'm going to be stealing a lot of your ideas." *cough*cough* At least she was honest?! I think I was too shocked to say anything. She's a decorator! Doesn't she have ideas of her own?! Fast forward to last fall. Someone in neighborhood wants to install a wrought iron gate. We have one. See where this is going? It's not right down on the street, so person came up my driveway a bit to take a photo. So imagine my surprise when person submitted a photograph of my simple gate (that I went out of my way to "make my own") for approval. The ARC denied on the basis that although the Covenants want the neighborhood to be cohesive, they don't encourage replication. So you know what person does? Person puts a bunch of spears/arrows and calls it a day. Never submitted for approval. So now there is a supped up looking version of my gate in the neighborhood (that I get to pass when I come/go). I'm sure someone is eventually going to say "if (we) don't want (our) ideas taken, why are (we) post pictures on the internet?" My ideas are not original. Seriously, is anything other than Hildi's gluing hay ALL over the walls truly original (not to mention a really bad idea!)?! It's what we do with the ideas, the bits and pieces gathered from all over, that are original. |
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| I don't mind if someone "here" copies my ideas (not that I have a lot of good ones lol) but I have one friend in real life, it makes me crazy. She has a wonderful eye for colors, texture, etc. but I find her copying things that I do! Now I have to play dumb when she asks where I bought something, like I will have to say that the pair of candlesticks I have out were from my mother's friend years ago. Even if I just bought them at the dollar store or Macys last night. She will literally jump in her car and go get them. Then we'll be at her house with other friends and they fall all over her new decor and I want to scream my head off! But I don't, at least not out loud. DH hears all about it when we get home. :o) Flattery here, yes; copy-cats in real life, no. Just my 2 cents! |
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| After seeing a house across town, I painted the trim on my house black. The neighbor down the street then did hers in black & told me she copied me. :0) It's a vicious circle to think were all unique. :0) Who copied whom? No, I'm not bothered. |
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I guess I have the opposite problem no one likes my design ideas. Seriously, no one has ever copied exactly what I have. Maybe because I live in a more rural area now. My neighbors can not see what I have delivered. Oh once in a while someone will ask about my paint color but my close friends do their own thing. Or maybe I just have terrible taste. I will have to post a pic to get someone's opinion. But, I have seen it happpen to others. I used to live in a neighborhood of homes that were on 1 acre lots. There was one lady who was always competing against another. This lady was building her home and moving into the neighborhood. Exactly what happened to Roseabbey. But without the hubby being the GC. This new neighbor kept sneaking over to copy everything from the windows, to floors, to wood, trim, appliances, colors, even back patio ... And she would tell everyone at book club or in town, pta or libary. She would make comments like "I saved so much money, I found this at this.. Or I got this price..." I would sit silently but I thought it was just tacky. The worst part was to see the pain on the woman's face who was being copied. I am sure she was happy for the new neighbor but a part of her looked annoyed and truly hurt. I think I would be hurt too. One or two things is fine but everything is just strange. Why do people do this? Is it insecurity of their own tastes? Are they just keeping up with the "Jones" or do they really just want the item? I love being creative and discovering my own tastes. I would not want to copy everything another has. What does it say about me? Okay copy 1 or 2 things. A color, or the style of drape but to do what Cathrugg's friend is doing, sounds like a frenemy. Competition or compliment? Thanks for this topic. ~boxerpups |
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| Very interesting thread. I am also one of those people that has to see it to know if I like it. That's why I LOVE SEEING PHOTOS ON THIS FORUM!! I've never copied anyone full out in my circle of family or friends. But I've gotten ideas. Back in the 80's I liked my SIL's burber carpeting (I had never seen burber before). So when I was carpeting our new home I did put some in, albeit in a different color. Does that count as stealing? I don't think so. I'm sure we're all gotten ideas from others, but full out copying . . . that's just plain weird. In the situations where one full out copies another, I wonder if the copy cat's home ends up "feeing" like the originals. I'll bet they don't. They absolutely can't have the same pride and satisfaction as the original creator. And I'm sure they don't get the same absolute joy in living in their space, because it wasn't created for THEIR family . . . it must in some ways feel like someone else's home, or a movie "set" to their family because it didn't take the PEOPLE into consideration. I may be wrong but I'd like to think they aren't enjoying their home as much as others that take the time to create. Now here's a question . . . does anyone on this forum mind being copied by other's on this forum? I was inspired by several hundred photos and I know I borrowed ideas from many. I wonder if anyone is secretly resentful of this type of borrowing? And I wonder how many people copied EXACTLY (or almost exactly) kitchen designs, materials, etc. viewed on this forum? And how would that feel?? |
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| Great topic! Before we built our home, we had gone on a parade of showcase homes for fun. We were going more to get floorplan layout ideas than anything, but we stumbled upon one home that was so beautifully decorated in a style I love. It ended up being the best thing we did. I used the same paint color in my kitchen, and we installed the same flooring. We also like the painted doors in the house and the hardware. We have different countertops, backsplash, lighting, cabinet glaze, etc. It was an inspiration for our own choices. It gave us direction. But, we didn't copy it exactly. And, of course, we don't know the people who live in this home. Since our home was built, we've had a lot of compliments about the paint colors and decorating, especially in our kitchen. My sister loved the SW Compatible Cream in our bedroom so much that she decided to paint her own bedroom the same color. She also painted her bath a similar aqua shade. But she asked me if it was alright to copy the bedroom paint color first, and I was honestly flattered. It doesn't bother me. Maybe it would have more if she hadn't asked, I'm not sure. I do think copying is a faux pas when it involves another party who is in the same family, neighborhood or circle of friends. While it's a compliment, the copycat is detracting from the original's uniqueness within its own circle. Jan |
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| It's human nature to want to imitate something pleasant that you've seen. Even those who profess total originality probably grew an idea or two from a seed that was planted by someone else. |
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Isn't this an amazingly complex subject? On the one hand, humans are wired to copy what they see; that's why so many of us are wearing spike heels when low heels are more comfortable, no one is wearing 'Farrah' hair anymore even though you might have done it in 1977 when it was on everybody else, and most of us have tossed all the slip-in shoulder pads that were de riguer in the '80's. It's not that we don't have original ideas. We do. And it's not that none of us decides to buck the trend. (I'm back in the comfortable heels even though I gave up my farrah layers and pads...) But even with all of our own versions of inspiration and originality, we are pretty much getting inspired by something we've actually seen somewhere. I think the thing that chafes is when we get inspired by a magazine layout or an online photo or a grouping of vintage items in an antique store--recreate our own version in our own house, and then our sister copies it in hers. If Allison saw a wrought iron gate on a trip to San Diego that gave her the germ of an idea for hers, that's cool. But for her neighbor to commission the same gate, or even try to one-up hers, is not cool. The first time I posted on a thread here that asked this question, I dimly remember trying to convince people that we should feel flattered, not annoyed. That we should expect our pretty paint choices to be copied and not feel a frisson of irritation if we walked into a friend's house and saw our Nantucket Gray in their bedroom too....But I think I'm a little more realistic these days. It does irritate. And I don't know about you, but I think this is what I want.... I want to have friends tell me my house is pretty, they like my paint shade in the living room, where did I get the great drapes in the living room, and how did I ever come up with the idea to turn an old sideboard into a bath vanity? I want the complement. I want the approval. I may not NEED everybody to love what I do but it certainly makes me smile when someone does. I just don't want to see it carefully copied by someone I see every day. And to answer judydel's question about getting copied by someone on the board..........No, I know that would not bother me. I've found paint shades that others have used, bought fabric recommended by G-webbers, and finally figured out how to arrange my dresser stuff by carefully studying online photos. How could I object to their ideas bouncing off me and onto someone else? Red ***and just for the record--even though I am not entirely happy with the River Gorge Gray I painted my kitchen, it was pretty nice when some casual friends walked in there last week and the husband raved about the color. He not only told me he loved it, he asked me if he could get the chip so they could use it in their house. He said it's just what they've been looking for. I got him the chip. And I hope they love it. I just hope they don't do it better than me... |
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| This is quite an interesting topic! On the one hand the reason we all read decorating magazines, watch decoratin shows, etc, is to get ideas, and let's face it, sometimes copy what others have done. That said, what I hope for myself and for others is that we are each on our own design journey and while we can offer ideas, suggestion, etc, those ideas need to be interpreted through the lens of one's own design. I guess, if someone copied me exactly, I would be secretly annoyed if they ended up executing my ideas better than me! Still, I would view it as valdation of my original ideas |
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| When I used to work in the city, I had to drive through a neighborhood where all the front yards had roses. Not the same roses and not in the same arrangment, but all had roses. I am sure that one gardener planted a rose, and when the neighbors saw how beautiful it was, the rose planting spread. Come bloom time it was incredible! That is the good side of imitation. I'm like boxerpups. If anyone has done a direct copy of anything in my home, I don't know about it. The only time this came up was when a friend was at a social event at our home. He said he was impressed with the design and asked to see a copy of our house plans. I told him that I just couldn't recall where I had put them. :) |
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| This is an interesting thread indeed. About 3 years ago I moved into a Del Webb Retirement Community. It is considered their premier community in the United States with 6,000 homes, 2 full-service lodges and more clubs/activities than you can imagine. I mention this because we have cookie cutter homes. I am in the Executive level in a floor plan called the Santa Barbara. When I was in the purchasing mode, I was able to choose my elevation (the look of the outside) which to me was very limited. But I chose the one I liked and was told that one house next to me would also be a Santa Barbara, but would have to be a different elevation and the floor plan would be flipped. Most of our homes are earth tones with drought resistant small yards. My home is a taupe color on the outside...most homes are brownish, with a few pale greens or yellows. When one of the guys that was helping me move was first driving out here with me, we had come through the community on several neighborhood streets...he turned to me and said "uh Marlene...what color is your house?" I looked around, laughed and said "brown!!!" My point...I think there has to be someone within the 6,000 homes that has my exact elevation...I just accept it like "The Stepford Wives." At least I can do what I want on the inside...LOL |
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| I'm lucky to live in a house that is architecturally different from the houses my friends and neighbors live in. And in decorating, I've listened to the house and let it guide me to an ecclectic 'what the house wants' mix... Accent pieces are a wild combination of inherited antiques, original art glass and cheap junk. The best part is that this look just wouldn't work in most homes, so no one tries to copy it. My last house looked just like its neighbors on the outside, and to a large extent, on the inside too. There just wasn't anything original about it, which I hated. We all copied from each other to a certain extent because that was what worked for that neighborhood... |
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| Like Sweeby, I live in an ecclectic neighborhood. Our home was built in 1952 and had an addition in the 70's. Across the street and our next door neighbors are the same floorplans but not updated. Another house across the street was just rebuilt last year, so it's a completely different house (now 2 story). My other next door neighbor lives in a different subdivision built 15 years later than ours, so all the houses on that block are a different style. So you can see that we're all different and if one 'copies' another, it's not the same, it's inspired by. I put up a wrought iron & stone fence out front, a few other houses in our neighborhood have done similar. A house down the block changed out their facade and added a portico, stucco'd the whole house and added stone facing and columns. We put up columns on our house, but it's a completely different look. So, I guess, copying isn't an issue for us, inspiration is. Maybe in a newer subdivision or a place with CC&R's you'll find more copying, but I couldn't live in a place like that. I NEED to be able to do my own thing! |
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I have a friend who considers herself quite a talented decorator. And she is, don't get me wrong. But she does like to lord it over me that she has such 'an eye for style, and a natural talent' whereas I, on the other hand, am kind of haphazard and just do my own thing. I am not often invited to her house, yet she is at mine a lot..... Well, when I am invited over, I invariably see things that I have in my home... and she will say "oh yes I have had that forever" but sometimes I wonder if she just bought the item after she saw it at my house. Who knows? I do know for sure one thing that she copied: I never had an engagement ring, and a few years back when those 3-diamond rings (did they call them eternity rings? I forget now) were popular, I told her I had asked my husband to buy me one for an anniversary, and before he had a chance to she came over wearing one. Hmmmm... so I never got one. I guess I did not want her thinking I had copied her. |
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| Sweeby your first paragraph could be describing my house... but yet someone stole our plans from the plan box during construction! Go figure! Also many of my choices of materials etc show up in a family member's home shortly after her visits here. Identical bedding has quickly turned up in another family member's home too. I suppose it could be flattering but usually I just find it funny because their homes are just soooo different from mine! |
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| I'm kind of with you. I find most of my inspiration on the internet now that all my fav design mags have been cancelled - where else am I supposed to find inspiration? Plus, it seems like most of the design blogs I find encourage others to use their ideas with how to's, etc. By the same token, I'd be flattered if someone wanted to copy an idea that I had, like distressing a CL find or something like that. But - it might be different if it were closer to home with friends, family, and neighbors. Plus, I'm talking about inspiration here, not outright copying down to the paint color, fabrics, landscaping, etc. I do steal some ideas here and there from friends - and tell them so - but this is more along the lines of liking a serving platter and purchasing a similar one, or admiring a friend's venetian plaster walls and begging my husband (unsuccessfully) to have the same done to our house. We all do that with each other, but it would be strange to have to limit expressing my ideas because I knew a friend with more $$$ would copy me. I do like to have some uniqueness and originality in my home! I live in an older neighborhood with custom built homes so I don't have this problem, but you know many of the developments in So Cal have the exact same tract houses (reminds me of the time I walked into (what I thought was) my sister's house with a great big bouquet of balloons for a baby shower - boy, was the family in that living room surprised to see a stranger walk right into their house!). It would be strange to see the same houses with the exact same landscaping! |
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Too many times I've had a friend (or a friend bringing a friend) who, after being very nicely complimentary, has then whipped out a camera and asked if they could take a few pics. Like Allison and others, my efforts with my home are my efforts, from my brain and heart. My creative expression. I do dislike it when someone wants to copy the fireplace surround I designed, after much research, drawings, etc, for our home. I'm fine sharing info re.a stock cabinet door, a Karastan carpet...things that are there, as is. But not the little "art works" I've created. |
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| I tend to use other people's ideas as a jumping off point for my own ideas. I would never exactly copy something else, but I am pretty confident in my style, but realize that other people really need more of a blueprint to go by. I wouldn't want my home to look like a carbon copy of anyone else's. I may use the same wall color as a friend, but in a different way. I would specifically not choose something that a friend had picked, because I want to reflect my style. In fact, a coworker wears a perfume that I really like, but I would never wear it at work, because I wouldn't want to copy her. |
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| I think it depends upon what it is. And, perhaps, how well it is imitated. I have an architectural feature in my LR that I developed and designed and redesigned and lost sleep over that I would be *extremely* unhappy if one of the owners of an identical floorplan copied, because then someone might actually think it was an "option" in the floorplan rather than a unique solution to dealing with a midcentury modern staircase in an 1838 house.There are six such houses as part of the complex so there are almost identical plans. (But I stole the general idea from Mies van der Rohe--who didn't use it in a Greek Revival House). On another project I completely flipped the interior floorplan in a cookie cutter townhouse development, and the project contractor wanted to be able to market it himself to others in the development as a verbatim copy of the original. I didn't like that either. If a neighbor comes in and sees it, and *works it out on their own* how to carry if off...thats fine with me. Or hires me to do it...although I would never just repeat it verbatim. General interior design stuff...I don't care so much. What I like *personally* is not something a lot of people would want to or be able to copy easily, anyway. (It takes a long time to accumulate 66 danish modern candlesticks, let alone arrange them all on one piece of furniture for example :P. But I get my ideas from sources and people get their ideas from me and its a big circle. Its flattering when they want to copy that, I think...I just get kinda bummed when they don't really get what they are copying. |
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| I love this story and perhaps some of you already know it, although it doesn't exactly apply to houses. A bride-to-be is at her shower, which is also attended by her mother and her father's new trophy wife. All is going well. People ask what the mother of the bride is going to wear to the wedding. She brings out a beautiful dress and everyone oohs and ahs. A few days later the bride-to-be is at her father's home and the new wife says "I just bought my dress for your wedding." She brings it out and it is the exact dress that the mother/ex-wife will be wearing. BTB cries out "You can't, that's my mother's dress!" Trophy stepmother says "I don't care, it will look better on me and besides, I love it." BTB rushes over in tears to see her mother and sobs out the story. "She can't do that, can she? Will you have to buy a new dress?" Her mother gazes out the window for a moment and then smiles and says "Why yes, she can. But don't worry. I'll find another pretty dress." BTB says "How can you just give up? You'll be buying a new one and you'll have to return the prettier one." "Oh, don't worry," says her mother. "I won't return the first one. I'll be wearing it to the rehearsal dinner." |
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| I can see being mildly annoyed if the next door neighbors paint their house the exact same color but to some extent if someone copies you it's a form of flattery. I liked the shutter color a friend did 5 houses down and painted my door and shutters the same color. I did ask him what the color was and if he minded and he didn't at all. Our houses look very different otherwise. I liked the shower curtain in another friends house and asked her where she bought it and bought one just like it. Again, she was pleased that I liked it enough to buy one just like it. |
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| sable - never heard that story, but I love it!! Now, how do I wear the floor tile to the rehearsal dinner? |
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Beutiful story Sable, Thank you, ~boxerpups |
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| Yes I remember that dress story...it was great. I think if you want to copy someone that it's fine if you give the originator the credit. I have 2 girlfriends that are into buying decorative dishes like me. We all buy from the same vendor and we all come up with different layering options and table setting ideas. We love to share our ideas with each other, but we are also the first to blurt out "hey so&so had a great idea about xyz, I'm going to try it, I wonder if that would work with your abc set" and it is a very respectful way to enjoy decorating yet credit and celebrate the idea originator. |
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| I guess I'm in the minority--I don't mind a bit if people copy my choices, and I don't feel like they are infringing on my uniqueness if they do. Years ago I designed a mixed shrub and perennial border on the slope in front of my house. A good friend who lived with a similar house a couple of neighborhoods away copied most of it and I was flattered. I don't care if the mutual friends who visit both our homes think I copied her or she copied me, I really only care that my slope looked beautiful. A few people wanted my dining room paint color in my last house, and I was happy to give it. In fact, I gave one of them the actual leftover paint! It's not that I don't value my uniqueness, it's just that I think it's the whole composition that makes my house unique, not just acquisition of the purchasable elements...a few years ago I was very impressed by what my good friend and former college roommate wore to a wedding we both attended. I wanted a similar outfit for an upcoming event, and asked her where I could get it. She told me, and I went to the source and tried on a lot of things, but in the end had to admit that even the exact same pieces were not going to make me look as terrific as she looked--we're the same height and about the same size, but she has that certain something with clothes and I just do not. I think home decor is like that--they can buy the pieces but not the certain something that says "my house". |
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| I may get clobbered on here, but some of the new subdivions look like cookie cooker house's anyways. But I would freak if someone landscaped their yard just like mine in the neighborhood, if I had a similiar house. We all steal, but there are degrees of stealing. But please don't come up with an exact living room as mine if we are close friends. Talk about a thief in the night, huh? |
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| This post brings back memories!! We were much younger, in our 30's, and our closest friends from college who lived near us were in the process of having a custom home built for themselves. At the holidays, they always were taking pictures and videos of the interior of our home. It was somewhat flattering, but also bothersome in a way. But the final straw was when they came with tape measures to gauge the dimensions of our rooms and said in the same breath: "we want ours to be bigger, and of course the finish will be more special, too". It was hard to be friends after that. My husband wasn't as bothered as I was, and said I was envious of their opportunity. I can honestly say I wasn't threatened by it, but I was offended by their hubris. The rest of the story: he left her for another woman, they lost the bigger nicer house in the divorce, and they're both miserable. |
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| Don’t we all copy and imitate all the time, both consciously and unconsciously? It’s pretty hard to break away from it when the fashion and home decorating businesses put colors and styles in the pipeline in very intentional ways. They plan what most of us will be buying several years out. And many of us do. My FIL is a retired art historian. His job title meant that he was "curator" of the monuments and buildings of a significant European city. My husband comes out of that family culture, and finds us Americans odd in a couple of ways. We tear down gorgeous old buildings and put up cheap replacements. Cheap is bad, but they’re often cheap and ugly. The other thing he finds odd is how so many suburban homes start out as "pseudo" this or that. That’s his term, not mine. I’m usually defending the "American way". His point is that so many of our housing developments, even high end developments, start out with imitation. Sometimes it’s done well; often it isn’t. Many American homeowners start by buying a home that’s an imitation. A Cape Cod in Texas is a copy, not an original. My home has some detail work that makes my husband laugh every time it comes up. Empire style molding. It’s simply odd in our ranch home. And…where’s the ranch anyway? Our home is a ubiquitous style. It’s a copy of a copy of a copy. And Empire? What the heck is that anyway? Napoleon wages war on Egypt and soon after neo-Egyptian elements in homes show up back in Europe. It gets copied and admired and reproduced until finally it jumps the pond. Two hundred years later it becomes something we can choose to use or not, or, to put a finer point on it, choose to use well or not. I’m not exactly sure what I’m trying to get at. Maybe nothing. Or, maybe, oddly, what I’m trying to say is that imitation has history to it. That history can be global or very, very local. If someone uses something copied from after the Napoleonic Wars, we don’t say much about "copying". But if that person "copies" her next-door-neighbor, then apparently it becomes more problematic. But why? If it’s "my" idea that’s been stolen, and if I’m going to see it every time I go in my neighbor’s house, what is it that has actually been taken? What real difference is there between taking an idea from a magazine, or the internet, or history, and taking it from my neighbor? Hmmmmm…I don’t really have an answer to that. I think I would feel frustrated myself…although I doubt it will ever happen to me…but I’m not really sure why. Every play that Will Shakespeare wrote has an original source, many out of a book of Italian stories that had been recently translated into English. He copied. Today he’d get sued for copywrite infringement. "But he made them his own," we say. Sure he did. And, maybe my neighbor is no Shakespeare, maybe because of the way houses are similar, copies are too close to the original. Wellspring |
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| There's this show on tv called california housewifes or something...no maybe it's the atlanta girls, anyhoo one says "we don't keep up with the jones's we ARE the jones's" and DH and I always laugh. We're more adams family than jones. People often ask me for help, but rarely copy my style...perhaps it's because I lack style LOL Or have too much of it...heck I don't know, but I'm so wierd I don't have an easy style to copy! I just copy mitch, but she dosen't know so it dosen't matter :oP Honestly...I've gotten great ideas from this forum and have "copied" I suppose....who has the iron man climbing up the wall? (Ok I do too LOL) but mine is in the cat room and hers....well I don't remember cats...I just remember cool :) I honestly have never had anyone copy me from point to point...perhaps because I put too much time into being unique so it's hard for someone to do, and I'm always flattered to be asked to help a friend. I'm actually in this delima now. I toured a home a block away from mine, wonderful victorian and it had several wallpapers that I have been interviewing. Seeing them in person cemented my wants...but now I know that they have it, I don't want to have the same thing :( So I have to find a way to be unique with it....and still have the same thing LOL is that possible? |
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| My best friend of 51 years likes to do some of the same things that I do, and i'm okay with it~she has the same colors in her home as I do, just an example. She always says I 'have good taste,' so I guess i'm flattered. There are people who don't have a creative or decorating bone in their body, but are gifted in other ways. Those same people may not be able to explain their likes or a particular style, but know it when they see it. IMO, imitation *is* the sincerest form of flattery. ;o) |
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| Was the landscaping professionally done? If so, maybe it isn't completely the fault of the neighbors. I know where I live most of the houses that have been landscaped by the same companies look very similar. Around here, there seems to be a serious lack of creativity on the part of the landscpae designers. They seem to reuse the same basic plan and just change out a few accents plants. Totally Confused |
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| I used to mind when my neighbor copied my ideas. We have nearly identical homes, though they are old, not new. Now I appreciate that she is an excellent neighbor, but original home decorating is not her major strength. She has taken some ideas from me. But the funny thing is, she presents those ideas to me now as if they were hers originally. For example, when I moved in and started experimenting with living room furniture arrangement, she assured me that there was only one possible place for the couch (we all know that's never true). When I found a different way, she copied it (I've since re-arranged many times, but that is my obsession). Then I got a pair of swivel chairs for the living room so that we could alternately watch television or swing around for conversation. Many years later she said to me "I have an idea for chairs in my living room--I'll get chairs that swivel, so you can turn around..yadda yadda" But what was funny was that she clearly did not feel like she got the idea from me--I could see that in her head she felt she had worked a problem out. Now, she had sat in my chairs perhaps 1,000 times. Funny! Then, we remodeled the kitchen and expanded the doorway between it and the dining room--basically took down most of a wall. When my neighbor saw that she said "I've thought about doing that for years!" She sounded slightly peeved, as if I had stolen the idea from her, because it had been in her head for so long. Now, to be very fair, I would never have come up with many of my ideas if it weren't for people here. My bathroom color scheme and material ideas are stolen directly from Casey, and I wonder if, as someone said, he is mad at me for stealing from him (to be fair his is much more intricately executed than mine). But anyway, my feeling now is that I do see the very, very important qualities my neighbor possesses and if home decorating copying is one of her flaws, ah well, there are other positives. I'm going with the sincerest form of flattery now (well, for the moment anyway). |
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| This thread is so timely. Like Allison and others, I truly feel that what I do in my house is very personal and from the heart. That being said, I wouldn't expect the rest of the world to stop using Monroe Bisque because I did - and I certainly have done my share of borrowing some inspiration. BUT... We've just finished a major remodel of our house and it makes me feel great the hear our family and friends rave about how much we've been able to accomplish/what we've done. But there's this one thorn in my side. An acquaintance of mine started her remodel a year or so after ours and already she has 3 or 4 of the same paint colors in her home and almost identical cabinetry and granite. That CAN'T be coincidence can it? I really wouldn't mind so much if once in a while she'd say something like, "I really liked how Danielle's turned out, soooo..." but that's never happened. I've tried to take the high road but it DOES bother me! |
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| In my family, we steal ideas from each other all the time. My SIL and I have the same plates; we have similar paint colors (most we choose independently. BM has thousands of paint colors. what are the chances that I would pick the same 3 as my SIL?) My sister has the same sweater as I do. Our homes are not really alike otherwise. So even if a few of the elements are the same, the whole feel is different. A friend of mine liked out bathroom paint color and asked if I would mind if she painted her bath the same color. I didn't care at all. If someone liked one aspect of my kitchen- the wall color or the hood and wanted to copy, I'd be flattered. If they copied the while thing- cabinets, counters, wall color- I'd be annoyed. The only time I've been annoyed is with a friend my mine in graduate school. I found a great suit for job interviews and she bought the same one! And then she bought the same shoes. I got a job at Ann Taylor and she decided to get a job at Banana Republic. I was really, really annoyed. I will freely admit, I'm not very creative with home design. I need some inspiration but I usually don't do things exactly the same as my inspiration. For example, I like Rhonda's laundry room. I'll probably do the checkerboard floors, a similar wall color, and black accents. But the decor will be more transitional, less country. That's just my style. |
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| The first time that I designed a house, we had an architect draw up the plans, and a custom builder do the building. Soon after we finished the house, our builder called and said he had new clients and wanted to show them his work. I agreed to let this couple come see our construction, AND they came back a second time. I didn't think anything of it. Well, the next thing I knew, a neighbor told me that her brother was doing a sub contracting job at a new home in the next community over. She said that her brother was given a set of house plans and he noticed that at the bottom of the plans, they said Architectural Plans Property of Owners XXXXX and XXXXXX XXXXXX - our names! We found out that this couple had decided they liked our house so much that they wanted the builder to build it, and he did. We were furious! we located the house, and toured it along with out camera for evidence. Initially, there was little we could do except take the owners and builder to small claims. A lawsuit was going to be too expensive, and just not worth the hassle. The upside to this story, is that because the house was built with different brick, colors, etc., it didn't look nearly as pretty as our house - inside or out. We ran into this couple quite often at business functions, and I think that we made them feel pretty guilty about the whole thing, because they eventually sold their house. Unfortunately, we were never able to use the builder again because of what he had done. Probably the best builder we ever had! |
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| I'm very happy that I like in a rural "neighborhood" of very different styles. I'm not a suburban neighborhood person, and couldn't live where all the houses look the same. I live in a Cape Cod, the house across the street is a log home in the woods, the next house is a bi-level, my one neighbor lives in an old farm house, the other side is a 20+ year old home he built himself. Across the street from them the house is a ranch. I get ideas from things I see, but can't say that I've copied someone else. My friend copied my new shower, on a smaller scale, and my neighbors are interested in the shower also. I take that as a compliment. No one would ever "landscape" like I do, since I'm a gardener and don't do landscape ... so no worry's there! LOL! |
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| If someone asks what color paint I have used, I tell them it was a few different colors mixed together that were found in the oops bin and as far as other things like furniture or accessories they came from a thrift shop, consignment or auction. That usually stops them from doing exactly what I have done! |
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| This is a fascinating thread. We had neighbors who did a major renovation of their home, turning it from a modest ranch into a very unique two-story home. Some people on a nearby street liked it and hired the same builder who essentially created the same remodel. My neighbors who had the original house were furious. I was interested to read Newhomebuilder's account of a similar situation. At what point is a design the property of the people who commissioned it, and when is it the property of the builder who drew it and built it? I don't know the legal answer. I can understand a builder wanting to take the easy way out and repeat the same design, and I'll bet didn't charge any less to the second customer. |
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| Oh, I've been holding back with this story. I used to have a neighbor who went to the New York School of Interior Design. She left before finishing her degree for some reason. One of my neighbors jokes that she had to leave on account of taste (she has sort of a gaudy, cheap, and over-the-top style...think two tiered metal chandelier in a condo with 8 foot ceilings). She once invited herself over and started inquiring about where things in my place come from and how much they cost! I don't mind sharing that info with "design friends" that I've shown pictures to online, but I was uncomfortable since she had told me in the past that she lied to her husband about their finances (he was in a Ph.D. program and she was in charge of their budget at the time). By the end of her "visit", she had settled on buying a few of the things I have. In this condo community, our layouts are fairly similar. I was a little annoyed at the idea of this woman buying some of the pieces I hunted down over the course of many months. Oh, within months, he had left her poor husband. He finished his Ph.D. and couldn't get a job. He had to move back to his parents' house and confided that she left him almost penniless. She's partying in Miami. |
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| That's just it...I was the designer. I drew the plans out on graphing paper and worked for several weeks with an architect(not the builder,) that we hired. The city code required a certified house plan and the builder would not be able to go by my plans because I am not a certified draftsman. THEN, we hired a builder to bring the plan to life. So, the plans did not belong to him at all! |
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| That's terrible, newhomebuilder. I've told the story several times of the man who visited out building site saying "I'm going to build this house" not only to my subs but to me directly. After I told him the plans were copyrighted (true), he called my builder and asked him to sell him the builder's set of plans after construction was finished. My builder told him that wasn't going to happen - they didn't belong to him - and that he could call and ask me. The man asked for DH number, not mine since he knew what I would say, and called DH who told him no. He told DH "she'll never know!" >:( I have no idea if he built a house like mine or not. His GF was with him when I told him they were copyrighted and said to me "he can't afford to build this house." If not, WTH was he saying that to everyone and asking to buy my plans?! My architect owns my plans and I have no doubt they have or will sell them again in the future. We made numerous changes to the original plans, that made the layout better and more livable along with making changes on the outside materials to cut down on upkeep. The good news is he is located in another state and they never sell the same plan (name, or size) in the same zip code. |
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| In theory imitation may be a sincere form of admiration but IMO it's often just a poor attempt at one-upmanship. Sure many of us copy *ideas* we see in magazines or the 'net but usually put our own spin on them and combine them in unique ways. There really are few new ideas but unending ways to mix things up. I admit to feeling flattered many decades ago when our builder asked to allow some new potential clients to see our home. It was a cookie-cutter style of house but we had made several changes to upgrade. It really did look much nicer than other similar houses in the area that he had built. I don't know if those people copied our ideas exactly but with that type of house what difference would it make? I'm sure their furniture was not identical. More recently it also felt validating when someone (seeing our house for the first time and being told I shop mostly in pre-owned venues) said emphatically that she would have to start attending yard sales. I think I'm pretty safe from exact copiers tho. If anyone were able to copy my decor today I'd change it in some way ASAP because it would annoy me. Of course copying our exact unique house design with my unique choices of accessories would be a challenge for anyone and since I change accessories frequently most couldn't keep up! LOL Lots of luck to anyone exactly copying the original paint color in my den which I mixed myself. Might be a lesson for some to put their own individual stamp on their decor to make it more difficult to copy - if it's something that bothers them. Recently found this old thread which critiques imitations. |
Here is a link that might be useful: imitations of a well know movie house
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| Interesting topic! Moved into a house I designed and had built. Builder is passing it off as his own plan now. Frustrating, yes a little that he is claiming it as his, but flattering at the same time. I know they won't be building anywhere near my 20 acres. Offered to make recommendations for changes but he hasn't taken me up on my offer (silly man!) More so related to my children but I am dealing with this "issue" if you want to call it that at this very moment. Our neighbors of 2 years are giving us the silent treatment for the last 3 months. She has over that time made several comments that we have copied them. P-L-E-A-S-E! We bought our son an electric ride on toy that they also had. I came across it on kijiji for an incredible price and couldn't pass it by. She said to my husband "well the next thing you'll be doing is cutting your children's hair short and dying it blonde". I saw RED! I'm thinking to myself "In order to avoid being called a copycat do I need to post a memo so you know what our plans and intentions are regarding our children, house and property for the next 10 years?" I think not. |
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| A few of the examples on this thread really are shocking, but mostly, I don't get it. I mean, it would take a lot more than paint colors, matching sofas, gobs of bangle bracelets, and my favorite heels to become a copy of me. Please God help anyone who tries. :O) If something makes me happy + it makes you happy, doesn't that = 2 happy people? Anyway, 90% of paint colors are stupid. Okay, not stupid, but I can't blame anyone who wants to know what color makes a great yellow house. Before anyone thinks I'm a happy-go-lucky, start a thread on, ahem, "design" decisions of neighbors. Really, I'd rather them copy. |
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| Paint chips, I'm with you on this one. I hope this doesn't sound judgmental, because it isn't. But this entire topic is something I have literally never in my life considered, much less experienced. Maybe because my house is a refuge and as bad as it sounds, we rarely have people over who aren't family. Much less friends who come in/out, or who I visit frequently at their homes. Fascinating subject and a look at a subject I know nothing about! Ann |
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| On one hand its flattering, on the other it is an insult. I can see why people do it, but when you think you have a hit it makes you mad that someone else gets the royalties from it. My bunko group is notorius for copying each other. I designed my kitchen 15 years ago with a Tuscan/ grape motif. When one of my pals built her house, she went with the grape motif and did all she could to one up me. Then, one of them purchased a gold Toyota, one other bought the same exact model and color. I purchased an Acura, another purchased an Acura too, but the higher-end model. Then when I got a new car recently, she commented that she wanted the same car but could not afford it. Then, about 4 years ago I had the house I am in now built; she had a house built the next year, with a very, very similar floor plan. She asked me a lot of questions about my house before she revealed she was having one built. We had a get together for her to show off her new house and the kids were invited. My daughter immediately shouted out, you have the same house as ours...she didn't know any better. She turned red, but didn't say anything. She asked me where I purchased things and I told her here and there, which is the truth...I always have my eye out for cute accessories. But one thing, none of them can out do me when it comes to decorating. So now, I copy their ideas, one friend collects angels, I do too...another collects nutcrackers, I do too. So we just keep it in the family so to speak! :) |
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| Before anyone thinks I'm a happy-go-lucky, start a thread on, ahem, "design" decisions of neighbors. Really, I'd rather them copy. LOL! Perhaps you would like to join me in my "stealth" home painting business. There are always homes in my neighborhood that I would just love to repaint in the middle of the night. There is also work available for "stealth" landscapers! |
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| Interesting thread...I would love to say that I'm above being petty about family/friends/acquaintances copying me, but I'm more irritated than flattered by it. Someone posted above about the copier who really seemed to believe that the ideas were hers originally. I have one relative who does that all the time. She will point, Vanna White-style, to something in her home and say something like "I found a wicker table and painted it butter yellow. I think a pot of red geraniums on it makes for a cheery look in the entryway!" Yes, exactly as that same combination I put together that she commented on last week in my entryway does.... Those folks leave me scratching my head, but don't make me angry. The ones I find aggravating are those who claim they "don't have time" for home decorating and then just write a check to have someone else do all the work utilizing all the colors/details they've found at my home -that we've spent hours researching & DIY'd on our weekend/vacation time. Like others noted above, what I hate most about this is others thinking we've taken the copiers' ideas and copied them. Most people here have more design/decor experience than I do, but I've been happy to offer ideas, sources, paint colors, etc. when asked or if I think I can contribute. If you're participating in this type of forum you are likely open to that kind of sharing. |
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| terriks...can you send those stealth landscapers to my house, I know whose yard I want copied. :-) |
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| Terri, the only requirements for me joining you are that we can't paint trim bright kelly green and no tires for flower beds. Geez. How can someone put flowers in a Firestone and call that an improvement on nature? |
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| But how about if we put brightly colored artificial flowers in the tire flower beds, maybe with some miniature ceramic deer standing guard? |
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| Paint_Chips, I honestly don't know why people put tires as decorations in their yard. We have dug up 3 tires, carpet, and ceramic tile in our yard. We have also pulled up a tomato cage with a cast iron skillet sitting on top of it and pulled off 2 hubcaps that were nailed to a tree. I guess some peoples trash are other peoples treasures. Sorry for the thread jack. |
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| I opened this thread with a bit of trepidation. I was sure I'd be crucified for being so ungenerous & arrogant. :-) It's true that most so-called original ideas are inspired by one thing or another. I do my share of getting ideas from here and there, but in the end, I do filter it through my creative lenses and make it my own. I don't mind if people use the same colors. I would even offer to let my friend borrowed left-over paint so they can test on their walls. I don't mind sharing resources (skilled craftmen, best place to buy fabric, etc.). I have no problem spending hours helping my friends to shop, decorate, design their homes. Just because I bought an item, it doesn't mean my friends are barred from getting it for their own home. However, I would never get an unique item or design idea from my friends' house because I don't want to upstage them, you know. My story: A friend is remodeling her master bed/bath suite. She has a designer on board & the concept was brown cabinet, granite countertop, travertine flooring. We were talking a/b her remodel when she asked me what would I do for my bathroom remodel & I told her the details of my dream bath (onyx bookmatched shower, chiseled onyx backsplash, etc..). I found a chandelier which I love love love and it would be the crowning glory for my dream bath (bought the chandelier, still saving $$ for the bath). Anyhow, recently I went to her house w/ couple girlfriends to check out her new master bath. Much to my dismay, she has used all my ideas for my dream bath in hers: same countertop, same flooring, same tub, same wallpaper, even my inspirational chandelier (which she knew I already bought). All the girls Ohh and Ahh because that bathroom is freakingly gorgeous. On one hand, I felt glad that all the details I'd dreamed a/b came together so beautifully in real life. On another hand, I felt so peeved because this is supposed to be mine, not hers, you know. It's like having your best friend stole your dream guy from you. It sucked. I asked her, "I thought the designer's design was different." She said, "oh, I fired him and designed it myself. Granite & travertine is so passe---onyx is the "in" thing now." The rub is, the other day -- another friend came to our house and saw the chandelier I'd bought for the bathroom. She said, "oh--isn't that the chandy that S- used in her gorgeous bath? It's a pretty chandy but I wouldn't use it if I were you. Everybody would think that you are a copycat." :-) Let's just say that the very next morning, that chandy was on its way to my sister's house (in another state) where it will be the crowning glory for her dining room. :-). And me, I'm getting ideas for another bath and this time, I won't tell anybody (except you guys, of course) ;-D |
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| You gave away your dream chandelier because a friend bought one just like it? What your friend did was impolite, but I know that I would still be able to enjoy the item in my own house. Not criticizing you for your decision, but it underscores how strongly some people feel about these things. |
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| I guess I'm surprised how high schoolish some of these comments from "friends" sound. I cannot believe a woman I'm guessing at least in her mid 30's would make a comment "oh--isn't that the chandy that S- used in her gorgeous bath? It's a pretty chandy but I wouldn't use it if I were you. Everybody would think that you are a copycat." Why would you not just tell her right then and there that you've had that chandelier for X months and S basically copied your ideas? Also, I'm also freaking wondering who cares if her bathroom looks like yours? Unless you parade your friends in there weekly to show off your decor, who goes into your bathroom anyways? I'm surprised how easily some people are swayed by the comments and petty statements of others. I understand your anger at being copied - but why just not say something right then and there in a calm, non accusatory way - "S, I showed you my chandelier and shared this exact vision for my bathroom! It looks lovely, but I feel like you've stolen my dream bathroom!!" I don't get how you can consider these people "friends" if they would do something they know would hurt you, and you can't tell them how you're feeling. |
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| It's unexplainable -- I don't mind having the same bedding, same paint color, even same furniture as my friends. As long as the same thing is filtered through our personal style and come out differently. I helped my sister painted her cabinet the same cream as mine. We even used the same hardware for the upper. However, hers came out French country & mine is more vintage modern. It didn't bother me at all. I just wish that my friend had asked me & be honest a/b it. I probably would come up with something even better for her dream bath. I supposed the way it happened irked me more than the fact that it happened. I wish I can be magnanimous like my DH but I am working on it LOL :-D Weird as it seems, now that I talked a/b it here -- it didn't bother me as much as before. The chandelier is beautiful, but I don't mind giving it away. My sister loves it too and she needs a new chandy. I want my friend to have her moment & her unique bath. It would be a while before I do our bathroom, and I'm sure by then, I would have plenty more ideas. There is always another beautiful chandelier. LOL :-) I know people who are very particular a/b not sharing. I have a friend who makes the best 7-layered dip and she wouldn't share the recipe with me. Even though we are best friends. She would make it & give it to me but sharing the secret recipe? never! It's like the secret to the Krabby Patty LOL :-) Having said that, I'm very glad for those who share ideas on here and in magazines. And are magnanimous enough to feel flattered instead of annoyed LOL :-D |
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| Caroleoh: I didn't want to make this thread a/b me & what happened. This post was just meant to be a commentary on our feelings a/b the subjects. I don't think there is right or wrong. Surely we all copy or inspired by one thing or another yet we are annoyed when someone copy us? Are there instances when immitation is more acceptable? I don't know why people do what they do, or why we feel the way we feel either. Maybe I would confront her but what's the point, it's done. Why make her feel bad, you know. Maybe I should hang the chandelier but I don't feel like it. Maybe I don't love it that much after all. Now I have these gorgeous Baker chairs and I don't care who has them or who copy me, I would still keep them in my house & love them LOL :-D Another friend bought the bedding I love & have and every time she saw mine she said, "I love your bedding." and I said, "I love yours too" and we just laugh a/b it. |
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| Bella, I didn't mean to "pick" on your post - it just happened to be the last one I read and honestly, many of the others mirrored the thoughts you had. You're right, making someone feel bad doesn't make you feel any better. I guess the more I think about it, I would probably feel a little perturbed if my friends were copying all my decor ideas verbatim. Of course, since that never happens, I guess that's why I'm so surprised at how strongly people feel about their ideas being used. I guess we just all need to learn to let the little things go and move on - like you did with the chandy. You don't have to look at it and be reminded of your friend's b-room and you gave your sister pleasure and happiness in using it in her house! |
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| Like igloo, I get asked for help with paint colors from family and the few friends I have (life long loner here), but I've never felt that anyone "copied" me or my choices, and my taste is pretty out there, so it's not surprising. Honestly, this is a sad thread, and affirms to me that our decision to live in the boonies, in a non-upscale area, with few neighbors is the best choice we ever made, I would never, ever survive in a neighborhood full of frenemies, no how, no way, IMO life is just too damn short to worry about whose chandy, landscaping, color scheme, wallpaper, etc., is being copied by whom. What was that Charlie Daniels song..."If you don't like the way I'm living, you just leave this long haired country boy alone...", that's how we feel. sandyponder |
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| good for you Sandy. Now just be careful when you get off that high horse LOL (just kidding) :-) |
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| Well, bellaflora, you can think I'm on a high horse because I am happy with where I live, frankly, it sounds to me as if your neighborhood is a merry go round, and I have no interest in being on one of those. sandyponder |
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| I moved into a planned community of 3400 homes in Texas and within that community are subdivisions. My sub of about 65 homes has all the same brick, everyone has leaded glass doors (various designs) and we all basically received the same landscaping. The homes are different from one another and now 10 years later, people have changed their landscaping to suit themselves and the neighborhood has taken on a different look. |
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| The worst one was the lady who asked me to make her window treatments/duvet/shams etc., so that they would be "just like mine". :^( |
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| The more I think about it, I can understand how someone, particularly a talented person, would be upset about this. That combination of details is your intellectual property. You own it in the same way writers, poets, musicians, painters, etc. own the property they create. Copying a friend's ideas is a form of plagiarism. It's not illegal to copy a friend's creative ideas, but it's still bad form. |
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| I've really never experienced such a thing in my own life, or heard about it from friends. We share references for stores/designers/etc, but everyone ends up with their own (very) individual look. Should I be offended that no one wants to copy me? lol. I don't really know how I'd feel, though. I know that when I got my first apartment, as a college sophomore, my roommate who owned the place had spent the summer decorating it -- and I don't mean "college" decorating, but real live decorating. It definitely had an impact on me and my style from then on, but I don't know if I was "copying" or if it just struck a nerve that was already there. It was sort of a Ralph Lauren cottage meets Pop Art place, which sounds odd but it was so darn cute. Red and blue fabrics and Roy Lichtenstein prints ... |
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When I first read this post I commented above. Scroll way up, it is there. But in the days that followed I changed my mind. I have been in the process of painting, working on and trying to frilly up my home. No luck. My home is ugly and I need help. Desperate help. So forgive me, I NEED TO IMMITATE. My home is so horribly decorated and looking like early American dog hair goes Brady bunch retro that I need to copy someone. I assure you it is not out of competition or even to try to do a better job than any of the lovely homes here. It is simply that my taste is in my elbow or maybe my ear. And I have no sense of proportion, color, style, .... I am at a complete loss. I wish I could say it is because I am a scientist or accountant but no, I studied fine Art and got all As. Somehow raising kids, wiping up dog drool, crowded carpool lanes, pta mafia, lazy keister sitting while reading GW, laundry, laundry and more more laundry along with, pulling dirty socks out of the crevice of a sofa cushion to do more laundry, scrubbing toothpaste spit off the mirror, emptying the dw, finding nail polish drops on the carpet and having a hissy fit, making 30 cupcakes that second because some kid forgot to tell me last week he signed me up for the duty, …. all this has caused me to forget. Yes, I forgot me, I forgot what I like, my favorite colors, art, furniture, I forgot how to make my home gorgeous. So please forgive me if I borrow or steal or copy your Amazing rooms. It is not out of flattery but out of Sheer Desperation. : ) Thanks Garden webbers. |
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| Re: Bellaflora's "friend" copying her exact ideas and fixtures and the deal with the dip recipe, I have so been there, done that. And it's heartbreaking. Yes, dramatic I know. But the feeling you have inside, unless you have experienced it you just don't understand. I have since distanced myself with my "fre-enemy" as I couldn't take the stress. Everything was a competition with her. And like I said, she was the one with TALENT, not me! I struggled and struggled and she could take my idea and soar with it. Re: Boxerpups----I totally get it!! That's how I feel here, that I need to copy other's wonderful talent. If someone here suggests I move something or adjust something, I can assure you I do exactly "as told" because I trust and appreciate everyone's opinion here. I have learned things that would never have occured to me and I am so grateful. (And I look like a pro when I make suggestions to others I know!) I love this thread, even if parts of it make me want to cry. |
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| That is a funny, self deprecating and human post, boxerpups, it brightened my morning! Thank YOU! |
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| I can tell I was *not* flattered when the people that live directly across from us decided they liked our house color so much, they painted their house the exact same color! I'm sure a lot of you remember me posting here and I seriously considered changing the house color even though we had just painted. I still boggles my mind that they'd want to have the *exact* same color, what ever happened to originality .. it's what makes the neighborhood attractive I think. Anyhooo .. other than that if people don't live right next to me, I don't mind at all. I have a good friend that lives down the street and she likes to decorate cottage too. She often will ask my thoughts or opinions, but she has her own personal style, which is beautiful. I love that I can share with her and her with me like that. |
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I live in one of those cookie-cutter neighborhoods, never again! and I can say there's no originality here at all. I paid for a professional landscaper to do my entire property, most of the plant material has been copied in some form or another and placed in the exact location as mine. I have hired contractors to come out and do work on my home; my neighbor's will come up to them while they're working and request there services as well. One neighbor buys a car/mini-van, these people will buy the same exact model and color. I've never lived around so many people who don't have their own sense of style. I'm not flattered, and it borders on the ridicules.... |
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| We and our next door neighbors joke about one-upping each other all the time, and we all think it's a riot. Yes, we have many of the same things (cookie cutter hood and we share many tastes), but they look totally different because we put our own spin on things... We both have: Pools Palm Trees Stained fences ...and that's just the outside. Do they look anywhere near the same? Not even close! Course, it helps that ours is a 2-story and theirs is a single ;-) In regards to paint, this is one of those hoods where the builders (thank goodness) didn't use the same color brick anywhere close together - the same paint wouldn't look the same even if someone did copy! The nearest my brick is duplicated is at least 2 blocks away from us, and on a single! |
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| This was an interesting read. I, too, need to find my ideas from others. If someone takes an idea from me, then I feel vindicated that what I chose was "good enough" (don't have much decorating self-esteem). It's never going to look the exact same unless you copy the entire room/house (reminds me of a Frasier episode where Frasier's protege moved into his building and re-created F's apartment because he didn't have his own style. Frasier was tres upset). I have a cake recipe that came to me from a friend 15 yrs ago. She brought the cake over for us one Christmas and hubby fell in love (with the cake, that is)--it's his favorite to this day. She gave me the recipe, titled "Susie's....." (and my friend was not Susie). Who knows where the recipe came from originally. But anyway, it soon became my "signature" Christmas cake--the one the family always had, the one I made for others as gifts, etc. I took it to my in-laws one year and SIL had to have the recipe. She made it and took it to work where everyone there had to have the recipe. Well, a sister of my SIL's co-worker has a catering business (bakery, too) and got hold of the recipe. That cake is now her most requested cake. I bet by now she feels it's HER recipe :-) |
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| So, tracey, tell us more about this cake . . . |
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| I came back to read the rest of the posts I haven't read, and am surprised so many find it 'offensive' when someone 'copies' something they've done. I just don't get it guys! What's the big deal? Even if it is copyrighted, and your home is in a completely different state, what difference does it make and *who* is it going to hurt? Living right next door or *directly* across the street is a different matter, and I would probably approach the neighbor and asked why he chose he same color paint/plants/trees or whatever. No offense intended. ;o) |
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| patty, I'm only speaking for myself obviously, and I really have no idea why I feel this way, but if one of my virtual friends here copied something I did, I would feel flattered and probably wouldn't be able to wipe the smile off my face. However, like, you said, it IS different when it's someone who is a very real part of your life, maybe even someone who has a history doing "things like this." The friend who "copied" me got many accolades for her choices - my choices - and I was hurt by that. Now, that might make me petty or shallow, but it also makes me honest. I think Graywings was on to something when she wrote, "The more I think about it, I can understand how someone, particularly a talented person, would be upset about this. That combination of details is your intellectual property. You own it in the same way writers, poets, musicians, painters, etc. own the property they create. Copying a friend's ideas is a form of plagiarism. It's not illegal to copy a friend's creative ideas, but it's still bad form." I feel that I spend a lot of time thinking about the way I want my house to look. I would guess that's true for most everyone here or they wouldn't be spending so much time on a home decor board. I know when I was copied I felt that I had put all of the work and time and trial and error into something that somebody else just went and stole the credit for. Again, I know this isn't very mature - but I can't help it! Wish I could! |
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| I think the plagiarism comparison is right on target. Take Susie's cake. If I were Susie, and I went to a party catered by the caterer and saw 'my' cake being served, I'd simply have to ask the caterer about it. If the caterer then said to me "That's called 'Susie's Cake' and is a fabulous recipe I got from a friend of a friend." then I'd be tickled pink and introduce myself as 'the' Susie. But if she simply said "Isn't the Lime Chiffon heavenly?" -- THEN I'd be pi$$ed! One of my best friends bought my same bedspread after seeing it in my house. While we have a lot of the same friends, she entertains much more than I do -- so everyone will see it there first. But I've heard her say more than once that she liked mine so much she got one just like it. Again, giving credit takes the sting out. |
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| Funny, but just Saturday a friend of mine in another state was telling me how angry she was with a "dear" friend who copied her den remodel idea. It was a good, clever, beautiful solution to a structural problem, and her friend liked it so much she had the exact thing built. I kept laughing in disbelief because I couldn't understand why my friend was so agitated, and she got angrier & angrier the more I laughed. Guess I'm naive. It doesn't bother me if someone copies "my" ideas (I've probably copied them from a magazine or a house I liked). It's flattering that someone likes it enough to want it for their own, and it's interesting to see in what direction the copiers have taken the ideas, too. My contractor drove a new client by our home that we remodeled recently. The client wants to use the same exterior color scheme: white siding, red roof. I can hardly wait to see how her home turns out. Like segbrown pointed out, should we be offended if no one wants to copy our ideas? Has anybody gone back to a former home and seen that your decor ideas were obliterated by the new owners? How does that make you feel? |
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Boxerpups your funny post is so to the point: "So forgive me, I NEED TO IMMITATE. My home is so horribly decorated and looking like early American dog hair goes Brady bunch retro that I need to copy someone." In fact, I guess I must have copied my current style from you. You pegged it perfectly! I'm getting that desperation thing down to... |
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| "Has anybody gone back to a former home and seen that your decor ideas were obliterated by the new owners? How does that make you feel?" awn03, this exact same thing happened to me 10 years ago when we sold our home to friends. Hearing about the changes they were making over the next few years was annoying, sometimes insulting (she'd ask me: "don't you think this is better ?" ) but we do have very different tastes and I could understand them going in a different direction. reverse imitation can feel like disapproval, I learned to grin and bear it but it was a bit difficult for my ego , I have to admit, lol.... I bit my tongue many times. |
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| "Has anybody gone back to a former home and seen that your decor ideas were obliterated by the new owners? How does that make you feel?" Yes - That happened to me. And the new owners made it look SOOOOO much better! It made me realize that I had been a very passive 'decorator' -- just adding furniture and knick-nacks without really analyzing what worked and didn't work. The new owner's changes were structural and dramatic. She fixed what was wrong with the house's design that I hadn't been able to identify.... I got inspired and felt challenged (in a positive way). |
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| Tracey, now you have to share that cake recipe!! I promise to call it Susie's Cake, and not claim it as my own creation (if you knew my baking skills you'd understand!) Although, I'm on a diet, and really don't need a cake recipe that I'm going to fall in love with. |
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| I want cake! ...and BTW, Mitch...anyone who would make drastic changes, in a home of yours, and then have the gall to brag about it, must have pretty lousy taste. :) |
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| We will be visiting our last home that we sold soon. I hope I dont like how the new owners decorated, is that bad... cause I really liked that house. |
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| I've thought long and hard about responding to this post and have kept bypassing it. So w/o reading any responses yet (don't want to be influenced) here goes: If somebody copied a vignette of mine somewhere in their home I would be fine w/ that. If they copied more than that and almost copied my home I would be downright irritated. Maybe even angry, but only if they didn't ask. I've spent alot of time fleshing out my personal style and continue to evolve and I think that each person has their own that they need to find. That's probably why I would find it hard to have a decorator come in and 'Do' my house. That's what makes us an individual. As an individual I do not want anybody copying me. If I can be of inspiration to help somebody figure something out or toss out ideas then great! But if somebody outright copies me - I'm not going to be happy. I've already found me and I'd be more than happy to help you find you. The sincerest form of flattery in my book is asking me how I did something, what I thought and if you want, ask me for my help. That goes for everything - my perfume too. Took me forever to finally find one that I thought was truly 'me' (I'm a signature kind of perfume gal). Then it took another 2yrs. to finally get it (afford it) for Christmas. My BIL smelled it and told my sister that she should get it and she agreed. I almost smacked her. I know that they don't get it but I pride my individuality in the things that I do and wear and that's just the way that I am. Closing my eyes and posting! |
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| ""Has anybody gone back to a former home and seen that your decor ideas were obliterated by the new owners? How does that make you feel?" " This should be its own thread. My extensive rose garden with underplantings, was obliterated by the new owners, who didn't want to be bothered. To be fair, they did ask me if I wanted any of the plants, and I got my pals together and took more of them. The garden had been planted by the house's long-time owner, and some of the varieties just aren't around any more. And they repainted my red dining room. |
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This article caught my eye today...speaks to builders and the cookie-cutter neighborhood. ==================================== By David Sokol Since almost the day they were born, suburbs have been criticized for their plain vanilla sameness. Is the downturn causing the landscape to become even more look-alike? Faced with declining demand for new homes and a glut of inventory, home builders are cutting house plans from their portfolios and standardizing on design in an effort to save costs and better compete with bargain-priced foreclosures and pre-existing homes. Miami-based Lennar Corporation is streamlining the number of models it offers for new homes. And Los Angeles–based builder KB Home "is cutting costs partly by standardizing window sizes and floor plans rather than allowing endless local variations," The Wall Street Journal recently reported. Is what's good for builders good for the suburbs? The big home builders have a long history of "value engineering" -- finding ways to squeeze costs and time out of the home-building process, whether by cutting back on expensive materials or spacing studs farther apart. During the boom, it allowed them to put more homes up faster and rake in profits. Now, it's a more a matter of survival. Steve Ruffner, president of KB Home's southern California division, tells us that the Wall Street Journal is referring to the company's "Open Series." This year-old house collection is, indeed, offered nationwide. And these homes do feature standardized windows and flooring. KB also contracted with KitchenAid, Maytag, and Delta for appliances and furnishings. "It gets much better deals for customers," Ruffner says, adding that the series targets homeowners who earn the median income in their respective markets. KB Home Chief Executive Jeffrey Mezger told analysts last year that the new designs cut construction costs by $80,000 and allowed it to cut home prices by $60,000 on a typical home, according to Business Week. If The Open Series sounds like historic Levittown developments writ very, very large, you wouldn't be completely off the mark. In their respective heydays, both targeted first-time buyers, and both achieved affordability through economies of scale. KB as well as Levitt and Sons, the now-bankrupt developer of Levittown, have allowed for customization, although naturally there are many more options nowadays than the gray-flannel-suit era offered. In that sense, KB is fighting against the homogeneity of postwar housing. The company, along with other home builders, is also trying to right the wrongs of suburbs past: Open Series homes are built to Energy Star specifications, and they're 45 percent more energy-efficient than homes constructed in the 1990s. And both KB and Lennar get credit for thinking smaller. In keeping with a trend toward smaller homes, Lennar has been nixing the super-sized plans from its portfolio. Ruffner won't specify the average size of Open Series interiors, but says that customers can elect to expand the square footage of the base models. Levittown and its ilk encouraged Americans to settle in gas- and land-guzzling hinterlands, ushering in the age of strip malls and cookie cutter developments. At least Mother Nature can thank the recession for making future suburbs a little more eco-friendly. |
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