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Your opinions on this?

Posted by nanny2a (My Page) on
Fri, Mar 9, 12 at 11:24

I saw a brief news segment on this in the morning news, and then again a link posted by a decorating blogger this morning, so felt impelled to look further. The video takes some time, but worthwhile to watch it all. Your opinions?

Here is a link that might be useful: Invisible Children


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My video isn't working great today so I couldn't watch. I must be living under a rock because this is all over the news but I haven't had a chance to find out who this man is and what's going on. I need some backstory I think!


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Kony has been doing this for decades. It has been in the news off and on since my son was in kindergarten. I am so glad some people are finally joining forces to bring this to the frontlines of the world. One member of my family volunteered in Uganda last year with another organization that builds schools and educates local children. Those kids are so full of hope and joy at being able to attend school even though they have no running water there and sometimes no electricity.

Nanny, thanks for posting. I hope everyone who reads it takes action. They can make a difference with very little effort and Inhofe is right(can't believe this liberal is saying that)-only if people raise a stink will anything be done about it.


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It was on the news this afternoon. Okay, the thing is, Kony has left the country and the reason people are upset about this organization is people want the money to go to the victims, and not the organization to bring Kony to justice. Since he's already gone.

I have to agree. Why haven't I heard of this guy before??


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oakley, I don't know why you haven't heard of him before, but since you haven't you may want to refrain from your rush to judgment. He is still in the area and moves around neighboring countries. The LRA is still operating.

I am not sure it is helpful to begin criticizing when you admittedly know little about the issue. The complexities of delivering services such as schools and supplies to children in many of these areas is difficult for those of us in the US to comprehend.

The best way to oppose people like Kony is to shine a very bright light on them and their atrocities. Invisible Children and Kony 2012 are doing just that. You yourself are proof of their success.


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The video is really compelling. I've seen the video posted over and over on FB within the last week. In fact my own DD posted it, her comment was "where you live shouldn't determine whether you live".

Everyone should take the time to view the video. Thanks for linking it nanny.


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A problem that has existed for the past two decades. Much controversy about the recent video. Make your own judgement.

Here is a link that might be useful: from CNN ... As criticism surfaces, 'KONY 2012' gains momentum faster than Susan Boyle


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After reading the article Natal linked to (thanks Natal), I stand by what I said.

And Cyn, enough with the lecturing, please. Can't we have a friendly discussion for once without rudely disagreeing with other's opinions? I can't remember me ever talking down to you the way you do to me, all the time.


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Okay, this has been going on for two decades. I had heard of these armies of young children and knew they existed, but until now, was not aware of the one man who organized them. Just because it has been going on for two decades does not mean that it is right, or that the situation should be tolerated. Now I know who it is, and that the LRA is responsible.

Just because I was ignorant before does not mean that I can continue to plead ignorance to the problem now. I am not saying that people should donate to Invisible Children campaign necessarily, but to think of these children and consider what kind of impact more public awareness could make on bringing this crisis to an end.

The fact remains that no matter where Kony is, he needs to be caught and brought to justice for his crimes against humanity. Do you think more public awareness is going to help, or harm, that endeavor?


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I think it will help.

I have come to the conclusion that any time anyone does anything, others will come along and complain that 1) you didn't do it soon enough or 2) you are not doing enough or 3) you should do it differently. You can't win.


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yup, I agree Graywings and funny how they seldom if ever have a better idea!


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Apparently Obama sent troops over there late last year.

Here is a link that might be useful: 100 troops


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This was linked to the right of the page the CNN article was on Ugandan woman recalls harrowing tale of captivity


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Oakley, no intention to be rude. You have gone from saying you know nothing about the subject ( I must be living under a rock because this is all over the news but I haven't had a chance to find out who this man is and what's going on. I need some backstory I think!) to being able to judge the situation within a little over five hours. A little bit of reading is not enough in issues such as this. It seems to me that you are also making comments that seem to indicate that you really aren't up to speed yet. Natal's link speaks to several viewpoints, so to say that is what made you stick to your opinion is confusing to me. If you have decided to go with those who are arguing against these two groups (Invisible Children and Kony2012), that is your choice. Not my concern. If you are interested in deeper investigation into the issue, also your choice and none of my business.
However, if I happen to know some facts (not opinions-there is a difference and I think I usually make it clear when I am sharing an opinion), decide to share them and you take that as a personal slam, all I can say is I don't care. I did not intend to hurt your feelings, but apparently I did. I (alert, alert-opinion here) do think you sometimes turn discussions into Hot Topics and then disappear when you run out of counter-arguments). Kony is not gone from central Africa and even if he were, do you think people should stop trying to bring him to justice (seems people kept after Eichmann among others for years after he left Europe until they caught him)? There are families and children (at least the ones who are still alive) who would beg to differ on that. Helping the victims and bringing Kony to justice are not mutually exclusive goals. There are numerous organizations at work in Uganda and there is room for all and probably more. My daughter-in-law worked for PEAS (Promoting Equality in African Schools) which is another group at work there.
I also don't think it is wrong to address inaccurate statements or statements of opinion which are presented as facts. That happens all too often these days,
I think, where someone is allowed to say something and they are not called on the accuracy or lack thereof in their statements(not saying you did that, but you came pretty close: Kony has left the country and the reason people are upset about this organization is people want the money to go to the victims, and not the organization to bring Kony to justice). If I make an inaccurate statement, I am glad to be corrected. I am not so sensitive that I want to continue to make a mistake rather than have someone share the facts of a situation. There are lots of issues I know nothing about, but this is not one of them. I feel very strongly about being my brother's keeper. If ever there was a need to be that, this is it. We have let far too many atrocities occur in this world and we can't fix them all, but given this opportunity to add another voice, I will risk going with the people trying to make a difference. Uganda has a troubled history and the new government is far from perfect. In my opinion(!), however, to argue against helping in sub-Saharan Africa because Kony is no longer stealing children in Uganda is to open the possibility of his return or increased activity in Congo, southern Sudan, etc. We (meaning the people of the world) didn't step in in Rwanda either. It is hard to make choices when there are no cut-and-dried perfect answers. If we can help at all, I think (another opinion!) we should.

Lecture over. Won't open my mouth about this again, so everyone may relax! ;)


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Apparently Obama sent troops over there late last year.

Yes, and Rush Limbaugh, being against all things Obama does, actually supports Kony!

Here is a link that might be useful: Rush supports LRA


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Limbaugh is a racist, sexist pig! I can't believe people actually listen to that man.


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It's shocking that Limbaugh supports Kony! Limbaugh makes my blood pressure go up when I accidentally hear him on the radio. So arrogant.

Thanks for posting about this, nanny2a. I want to learn more about it.


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I would expect nothing less from that grotesque animal. I was hoping he and his evil, hatred promoting show would be removed from the air after last months fiasco when he talked so horribly about that college student who's political view about birth control differed from his. He made it personal calling her every filthy name in the book he could think of and gave her a typical Limbaugh trashing. And of course he got away with it.

He's a "money maker" at the network and that gives him the freedom to demean or promote whatever he feels without any regard.

I've had enough, and am going to start boycotting any company that promotes through his show. I'm also going to write to the advertisers and tell them why I'm not using their products anymore. I would ask that any one else who is appalled by him to consider doing the same. Maybe if enough people raise their objections and hurt the pocketbook of advertisers it will make a difference.


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I think it needs to be brought to public attention. Well more so because as you say, it has been going on for a long time. It's sickening and so sad to see/hear these children. I recently saw an interview with one of the children - his brother had been killed. It breaks my heart. Something must be done to help these children.

As to Limbaugh - I agree with Natal on this. Even more so after hearing him bash the law student recently. Who by the way, handled herself quite well IMHO. Apparently he did issue an apology - which was amazing in itself!

Please don't hush up Cyn - your comments are important.

tina


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Okay, I lied about not coming back...lukki, your post made me think, so I googled a list of advertisers on the Limbaugh show. Netflix is one of the businesses that came up, so I thought, okay, put your money where your mouth is, Cyn, and I called to cancel our subscription. The customer service person said that was an error and sent me an email to confirm (he said they have taken action to be sure it never happens again), so I kept the account. I did say if I found out differently, I would be calling back. The rep said they had received numerous calls on this, so maybe if enough people poin together to boycott, change will happen. We did it wih grapes in the 60s, no reason it won't work again! Thanks for the kick in the pants!


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Looks like it's not just Limbaugh losing advertisers.

Here is a link that might be useful: 98 Major Advertisers Dump Rush Limbaugh, Other Right-Wing Hosts


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That's great Cyn, I was telling my husband after I wrote my comments that I was going to start looking at the ads on his show and stop using those companies. We use several companies in the list below, including Netflix too and I'm still going to send an email all of them to advise that if I ever see them advertising with shows such as Limbaugh's again, they can expect me to cancel and urge family/friends to do the same.

Below is part of the list from Natal's link, while I'm glad they've pulled their association from this program, I am so disappointed to see some of them were there to begin with. As consumers, we are now starting to demand more American made products which will help our economy, I think it's time we start expecting companies to support better choices in programming as well. I'm not talking about two sides that have opposing views, I'm talking about the Rush Limbaughs who really serve no purpose other than to propagate trouble and hatred.

Partial list of companies who have pulled their ads:

So far, Sleep Number, , Quicken Loans, Legal Zoom, Citrix, Carbonite, ProFlowers, Tax Resolution, AOL, Bonobos, Sears, Allstate Insurance, Sensa, Bare Escentuals, Vitacost, Hadeed Carpet, Thompson Creek Windows, PolyCom, Service Magic, AccuQuote Life Insurance, Geico, John Deere, Stamps.com, St. Vincent’s Medical Center, Bethesda Sedation Dentistry, Cascades Dental, Philadelphia Orchestra, Goodwill Industries, Heart & Body Extract, Netflix, Downeast Energy, Capitol One, JCPenney, Matrix Direct, Reputation Rhino, Consolidated Credit, Constant Contact, RSVP Discount Beverage, Cunningham Security, Regal Assets, Freedom Debt Relief, Norway Savings Bank, Portland Ovations, The Girl Scouts of Oregon and Southwest Washington, O’Reilly Auto Parts, Aetna, TurboTax, New York Lottery, American Heart Association and the Aquarium of the Pacific have pulled ads from the program.


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Cyn, it's the tone of your replies to me that I take offense. Lately you've been telling me I'm wrong on all my opinions. Not just me either, but others.

Tina, you're not very subtle anymore.

I have no problem getting people to notice Kony, but I won't give my money to it. I'd rather give to the victims.

And yes, when I start being lectured for an opinion just becuase I didn't write a thesis on it, it IS rude and I do leave the topic.

This board has become way too serious. If anyone has a differing opinion, then it becomes a hot topic, which you began, not me.

So I'll go into the more light-hearted topics where there aren't any lectures on how my opinion is wrong and I must "refrain" from giving it.


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I didn't begin this. Beginning a sentence with okay the thing is, does not say "opinion' to me. No one here, myself included, has ever said anyone must refrain from sharing an opinion or how someone has a wrong opinion. Disagreements are to be expected. There are lots of instances when I have disgreed with an opinion, but that does not mean I don't expect people to share them. I imagine (know) there are people who disgree with mine. No big deal. I was referring to making snap judgments when one has little knowledge of a subject which you yourself said was the case before you began to comment. You are probably right about sticking to lighter topics. Living where I do, we are all (perhaps overly) interested in politics and news around the world as are a lot of folks on this forum. We have neighbors who are regularly in dangerous situations as representatives of our government throughout the world or here at home. I try to find out as much as I can about something before wading in on a conversation. Although I may be critical, I don't think I have ever been mean and spiteful and no matter what, I never intend to be.

lukki, thanks for that list. I was glad to see some of the companies I have used have pulled out. Not sure how I would have been able to drop my Aetna dental insurance that I have through work! Good to know I don't have to worry.

natal, thanks for all the good links.

Thanks for the kind words, Tina.

One last note, talking to my DDIL today, I asked her about this specifically. She said that a few people she spoke with in Uganda were not impressed with the Invisible Children group for exactly the reasons in Natal's first (I think) link. Since Kony is not thought to be in Uganda now, they would rather focus on the children at this point. The idea of capturing him is something of which they approve, but they are currently focused elsewhere. She did say she only spoke with a few people though, so she can't make any definitive statements about the charity.


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This board has become way too serious. If anyone has a differing opinion, then it becomes a hot topic

My jaw just dropped. Oakley, you don't see yourself in that statement?


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I REALLY hate getting into this mess .
But...Cyn how is your "last note" any different than what Oakly said in her first comment? Granted I don't know the history between you two,but taking it at face value I'm at a loss..

Oakly: "It was on the news this afternoon. Okay, the thing is, Kony has left the country and the reason people are upset about this organization is people want the money to go to the victims, and not the organization to bring Kony to justice. Since he's already gone."

Cyn: "One last note, talking to my DDIL today, I asked her about this specifically. She said that a few people she spoke with in Uganda were not impressed with the Invisible Children group for exactly the reasons in Natal's first (I think) link. Since Kony is not thought to be in Uganda now, they would rather focus on the children at this point. The idea of capturing him is something of which they approve, but they are currently focused elsewhere. She did say she only spoke with a few people though, so she can't make any definitive statements about the charity."

Like Oakly and Nanny2a I had never heard the name Kony attached to the plight.You seem to be very passionate on the subject and I appreciate your comments.


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forboystoo, meant that to point out that I found out something I didn't know before. In fact, intended it as a support of those who weren't sure about the charity. No judgment there. Not forming an opinion in a definitive way based on one single source report, that's all. :)


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I'm with forboystoo here, don't want to start a big fall out, but Cyn, you did come across as very strong to Oak for saying the exact same thing. I understand being passionate and involved, especially because of where you live, but this is a forum and sometimes I think we need to have a little more tolerance for the way others may voice their opinions. I don't spend a lot of time reading about this stuff either, but I do have an opinion about it that's based on what I've read thus far, that's how it works.

I think the more important thing is that while we (myself, Oak, nanny2a and others on this board) may not have known about this topic before, we are taking the time NOW to learn about it and to participate in the discussion where maybe we can learn even more and maybe even become proactive. It serves no purpose to offend and tell someone their opinion (thus far) is an uneducated one. Even if that's what you believe to be true why say something that will discourage her from wanting to learn more? I'm sure your intent wasn't to do so, but you did shoot her down for voicing HER opinion. I think any one of us who are are not as informed would be equally as put off by your response to her.

The truth is when your DDIL said that, it was fine, you're just passing on the info, but hers is an educated piece of information. When Oak said it she was uninformed and you told her so in a pretty strong tone.


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Cyn~ I was considering taking this off-line but here I go again...
You where critical of Oak for ,in your words,"I am not sure it is helpful to begin criticizing when you admittedly know little about the issue. " and yet in your own words you have "found out something you didn't know before".

I did not know of this Kony. I am sure that there are many others.
To me the sentiment behind your concerns are lost in the obviously long-time feud.

She made the same "rush to judgement" as many do .
I didn't find it to be definitive .
Just an evolving conversation....


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okay, I see your point.
I guess I do need to be less strident. I have no feud with oakley at all. At least none of which I was aware.


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And after this I hope you do not have a feud with me.

I blame it on your passion....:)
And that's a good thing.(oh,oh, I feel a Martha moment!)


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I agree, love the passion!


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I really want to thank all of you for your contributions, cyn, natal, lukkiirish - for the lists and the links.......I have learned so much from all of this! Much more than I knew just a few days ago, and that was mainly the purpose of my post. To ask you for your views, opinions and help in bringing the whole issue into focus, and more into the public eye.

I do not think it is too late for any of us to do whatever we feel is right, or appropriate, whether it be to help support the organizations that can aid the victims, or to support those that can bring this man and the others who are guilty of these atrocities to justice. Either way, you are helping to bring an end to the wrongs that have been done.

And I could not agree more with what has already been said here about Rush Limbaugh!

IMHO, the only wrong thing to do, in this regard, is to do absolutely nothing.


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There have been many stories about the invisible children charity over the years. I would not give money to it bec ause they get such low marks from the organizations that rate non-profits. They won't open their books to the kind of scrutiny that is necessary for me to give. Also, they fund the Ugandan government, which has used IDENTICAL tactics --- rape, setting fire to villages, turning children into soldiers, etc. Its hard --- no, it's almost impossible--- to find a good guy in that situation.


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IMHO, the only wrong thing to do, in this regard, is to do absolutely nothing - I agree!! There has to be some way to help.

There was an interesting article in our Sunday paper about Kony and his "wives". The article was primarily about one wife who had been abducted and became one of his 3 favored wives. Along with her there was a male who was abducted and forced to serve under Kony. A dangerous man for sure.

tina


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Commentary

Here is a link that might be useful: Kristof


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