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| And this is suddenly news? Didn't we really know this a long time ago? Isn't anything that will kill small birds and animals at high heat suspect anyway?
I finally broke down and bought my first non-stick skillet last year, which I only use for slow-cooked eggs. I'm just wondering...are any of you throwing out your non-stick pans yet? This is why I've favored my cast iron pans... |
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| I have 3 very nice non stick pans that I use for a variety of things. I'm not about to throw away my investment. I don't put any non stick in the oven nor do I cook at screaming hot temperatures. I'll continue to use mine with the same caution I always have. I love my cast iron too Claire de Luna. Anyone else? |
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| The issue is not this is new news, but rather that DuPont has known about it for years and did nothing about it. However, Teflon itself is not carcinogenic. It's the PFOA used it the manufacture of Teflon that poses the danger, and it's the workers who are making Teflon, not home cooks, who are in danger. Of course, Teflon is dangerous in the home if heated more than 350° or so, as it off-gasses very harmful fumes. That's why I use SS. But there are no problems for cooks using Teflon in the home, especially if they keep it away from the stove. |
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- Posted by AKAsTJ_Northern_CA (My Page) on Thu, Jul 7, 05 at 9:29
| "Teflon causes Cancer" There's no proof of this, based on reports I've heard. It was reported teflon showing in blood tests, but no relation between cancer and teflon has been proven... TJ |
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| Moreover, no one leaves this world alive. QED. |
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| "there are no problems for cooks using Teflon in the home, especially if they keep it away from the stove." Thanks, Spewey, for making me laugh! I guess you could use it for a birdbath instead. Claire de Luna - I threw out my teflon skillet years ago and tried to learn to make eggs in stainless pans. Even with plenty of oil they still stuck. Finally I bought a Scanpan and I absolutely love it. Nothing sticks and it's still safe. |
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| Another good alternative to Teflon for cooking eggs is well seasoned carbon steel. We bought our French omelet pan at a local restaurant supply house for less than $20. |
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- Posted by proudmamato4 (My Page) on Tue, Jul 19, 05 at 13:58
| I have refused to buy or own Teflon since my Mom got her first parrots in 1987. I cook eggs in lotsa bacon grease and they never stick :-) In fact, as much as people put down anodized Calphalon, hardly any of my food ever sticks. I don't use PAM either. I also don't use the new Teflon housecleaning sprays for your shower. I'm sure there's some Teflon products in my home, but show them to me, and I'll toss them. Just my 2 cents. Proudmama |
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| Before saying teflon causes cancer, read some of the actual news articles... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8404384/ |
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| "Isn't anything that will kill small birds and animals at high heat suspect anyway?" A burning 2x4 can create enough combustion byproducts to kill an adult. Do 2x4s cause cancer? I have to admit, I take many news reports about things such as this with a HUGE grain of salt. Remember the headlines some years ago "Aluminum Linked to Alzheimers!" They gave the distinct impression that aluminum CAUSED Alzheimer's, sending many people into absolute panics. Every once in awhile here on the forums you'll see someone come up with "I never use aluminum, I'm afraid of Alzheimer's," or some such. In fact, though, even when this was big news, there was no causal link established between aluminum and Alzheimers. Scientists/researchs simply didn't know if the aluminum deposits they were finding in the brains of Alzheimers patients were the cause of the disease, a symptom of the disease, or pure random chance. These days all of the research I've seen says that no, aluminum doesn't cause Alzheimer's. My 2 cents. |
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| I gave away my nonstick cookware when we got our parrot last year. There are many real stories of pet birds dying, and it happens very fast. It's so easy to overheat a pan. As for my own health, I'm probably going to get a brain tumor from the cell phone first! I learned to cook in cast iron & now I prefer it. |
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- Posted by CACocobird (My Page) on Sun, Aug 7, 05 at 17:02
| I have four parrots, and gave away all my non-stick cookware when I learned that the fumes can kill them. No one knows the exact temperature, either. I decided that it wasn't worth the worry -- accidents happen, and my birds are very important to me. I changed to a combination of le Creuset and stainless steel that works fine. |
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- Posted by Jessica(jtcarter14@hotmail.com) onFri, Oct 28, 05 at 17:01
| So which types of cookware are safe? Stainless steel? Cast iron? What about "hard-anodized heavy gauge aluminum" (Pampered Chef)? Enamel coated cookware? Any others? I'm thinking about buying some new cookware and want to get what's safe and healthy. Thanks. |
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- Posted by Claire_de_Luna (My Page) on Fri, Oct 28, 05 at 17:26
| Personally, I like cast iron, since you get residual iron from the pan you're cooking your food in. (I use to always be somewhat anemic, so this was good for me.) And, when a cast iron pan is well seasoned, it's virtually non-stick. A lot of people like enameled iron, and I've always thought stainless steel to be perfectly safe. That said, I do own one small non-stick skillet for eggs that I use on low temperatures, but my husband always grabs the cast iron. |
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| My concern about Teflon, aside from the alleged health risks, is that the surface degrades quickly losing it's non-stick virtue and it scratches very easily as well. I don't like the idea of tiny flakes of Teflon in my food and I think in our "toss away" society with our already taxed landfills, that to purchase disposable cookware is environmentally irresponsible. Tossing out a completely good pan on the outside because the inside is no longer good, HELLO??? |
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| Uh-oh, I just bought (and love) my new Calphalon One pots and pans. These have the black, non-stick surfaces which I assume is Teflon. Am I now dooming my family to cancer? Here I was so excited to finally have a set of really good pans!! |
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| Lucy, You invested a bunch in those pans so I would just try to be careful about how I use them. If I were you, I would put away any metal spatulas, spoons or anything that could scratch the surface and invest in good wooden, nylon or silicone utensils. Also be careful never to heat the pan empty, always have liquid or something in the pan. I wouldn't use the pans for searing on high heat since doing so degrades the surface, instead buy another material like cast iron, or stainless for those particular jobs. I think until we know more, and if you are careful with the pans, they should be fine for you and your family. |
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| I have this mental image of a bunch of people throwing out their teflon pans while a cigarette dangles from their lips... |
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| While frying their eggs in pans of melted margerine..... |
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| and talking on their cell phones! |
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| I second the carbon steel. My favorite pan for eggs is a little, inexpensive carbon steel one. They don't stick at all with just the addition of thin film of oil in the pan. (cold oil on hot pan always helps, as well) |
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- Posted by SolarPowered (My Page) on Mon, Oct 31, 05 at 1:24
| Regarding the mention of Scanpan, above, my impression is that Scanpan is simply Teflon protected by being in the microscopic crevices between a very hard titanium-ceramic material that forms tiny "mountains" that protect the Teflon. Can anyone tell me if that's correct or not? If so, I would expect that Scanpan would have the same issues as other Teflon cookware, except that it can better tolerate mechanical abuse from metal utensils and the like. |
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| Solar, Your impression is right. Scanpan does use polytetrafluoroethylene or Teflon in their non-stick line of cookware so yes, the issue of toxic fumes is still there if the pan is left on a burner and overheats. It does help that the surface is better protected and that the cookware is not "disposable" since they do come with a lifetime warranty. My personal thoughts (like anyone cares ;-) is non-stick surfaces can come in many ways, cast iron and carbon steel both can be seasoned black and be every bit as non-stick as Teflon without the dangerous fumes. It just makes sense to invest your money in good quality cookware that holds up to the test of time and doesn't carry a "dark cloud" around it. |
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- Posted by SolarPowered (My Page) on Mon, Oct 31, 05 at 10:58
| Kimba, Thanks for your answer! |
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- Posted by lisaclark123 (My Page) on Thu, Nov 17, 05 at 17:12
| Lucy, Calphalon One are advertised as "non stick" but it's not coated in teflon. Calphalon describe their coating process: "An advanced release polymer is infused in the skillet's surface, unlike nonstick coatings that sit on top of the metal, to minimize sticking and make cleanup easy." Unlike teflon-coated pans, Calphalon are safe to use with metal utensils. So you can rest easy on the teflon front. On the down side, apparently they're not really non-stick, but rather, "stick resistant". |
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- Posted by SolarPowered (My Page) on Thu, Nov 17, 05 at 19:30
| "An advanced release polymer...". But it's not Teflon(R) brand PTFE... I'm wondering if this is just a bunch of marketing-speak for, "Our XYZ(R) brand PTFE is better than your Teflon(R) brand PTFE."? |
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- Posted by Claire_de_Luna (My Page) on Fri, Nov 18, 05 at 11:32
| Did anyone catch Good Morning America? The Dupont employee was talking about the packaging that food products come in, which has levels of coating that comes off into the food, and is much higher than the FDA will allow. Which Dupont has known about for quite some time! 98% of the population has this in their blood. The product packaging they were showing included microwave popcorn, french fry containers, pizza boxes, pet food bags. Basically anything that would leave a grease spot! Yep. It's a good case for feeding your dog raw food, cutting way back on grease, cooking at home and making friends with your cast iron pan... |
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- Posted by Claire_de_Luna (My Page) on Fri, Nov 18, 05 at 11:35
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| snopes on plastic wrap. There are some dangers, but apparently this has been really overblown, according to them. My conspiracy-minded brain is still suspicious... |
Here is a link that might be useful: more about plastic wrap
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| I believe Teflon IS PTFE. I called Calphalon to ask about the polymer coating and they confirmed it was infused with PTFE. They also confirmed their coating is a form of Teflon. They are saying "unlike Teflon coated pans", but it doesn't mean theirs aren't Teflon infused, which they are! |
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| I believe Teflon IS PTFE. I called Calphalon to ask about the polymer coating and they confirmed it was infused with PTFE. They also confirmed their coating is a form of Teflon. They are saying "unlike Teflon coated pans", but it doesn't mean theirs aren't Teflon infused, which they are! |
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| Just ordered my first Lodge cast-iron skillet, from Amazon, to replace my teflon skillet. |
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- Posted by SolarPowered (My Page) on Tue, Nov 22, 05 at 16:27
| Blondelle, there you go, abusing DuPont's trademark again! "Teflon" can only be used to refer to DuPont(R) Teflon(R) brand PTFE products. Calphalon has no Teflon(R) brand PTFE in their product. ;-) |
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| Well, whatever it's called it's still the same PTFE. You are not getting away from it by using Calphalon products instead of Teflon branded products. PTFE, by any other name is still PTFE, with all it's inherent problems and concerns! |
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| From American Council of Science and Health web site. The Scare: Where Did the Scare Come From? The Media Coverage: Concern about the health effects of PFOA, which is used in manufacturing Teflon, also became conflated with concern about the use of Teflon products themselves. A report on ABC’s 20/20 in November 2003 set the stage for panic about using Teflon products; in its discussion of the "dangers of Teflon," it spoke about potential harm by PFOA as if it was evidence that Teflon itself posed a danger (it also muddled the issue by discussing allegations of the harm from fumes from overheated Teflon).(115) One article in 2004 advised readers to "phase out [their] use of Teflon pans" as they contain substances that are "highly toxic and can cause birth defects and several types of cancer."(116) |
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- Posted by Glenna Blomquist(glennablom@hotmail.com) onSat, Dec 31, 05 at 13:07
| Just crisped my empty Caphalon skillet on the wrong burner this morning, and found this post that made me feel better that I didn't poison my rabbits and me! |
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- Posted by hamptonmeadow (My Page) on Sat, Dec 31, 05 at 20:41
| When I was very young, I worked at the plant that makes those bundt pans. I worked on the Teflon line. It was in the air and got in everyone's lungs. I quit when I started coughing up black teflon. I have had problems my entire life with my respiratory system. Of course smoking has absolutely NOTHING to do with it. |
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- Posted by tantadoodles (My Page) on Sun, Jan 1, 06 at 20:17
| I heard teflon causes Alzheimer's disease. Anybody else hear about this one? |
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| Tantadoodles, That scare went was linked to aluminum and was later proven false. Here is a great little website for getting good truthful and unbiased information.
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Here is a link that might be useful: Go Ask Alice Teflon.
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| Hampton, Inhalation of any particulate material can cause problems, even completely inert ones. For example, quartz dust. Completely chemically inert, but will scar the living hell out of the lungs and cause silicosis. |
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- Posted by socks12345 (My Page) on Wed, May 17, 06 at 23:01
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- Posted by aliceinwonderland_id (My Page) on Tue, Jun 6, 06 at 18:53
| What a load of hooey. EPA wanted a little budget boost and fined the hell out of a company based on unsupported "evidence" and the word of a couple of disgruntled employees. EPA is notorious for taking action based on non-science. |
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| aliceinwonderland, have you gone thru the looking glass? On what do you base your accusations against EPA? Do you, by any chance, own a lot of stock in Dupont? I don't think EPA ever acts merely on the "word of a couple disgruntled employees." If anything, they're often a bit slow to react to these kinds of problems. |
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| I love my little cast iron fry pan (just small enough to fit 2 eggs)... after seasoning it, the cast iron is almost stick-proof... just make sure you heat your oil/butter so that it's hot before you add your eggs. |
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| ...so does well-seasoned cast iron, esp. if seasoned with lard or veg. shortening. |
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- Posted by bill bob van ramthorp(richardbultema@comcast.net) onThu, Jun 30, 11 at 18:24
| ...so to avoid the coming possibility that teflon, under the the right circumstances, causes cancer... we are going to use "old fashioned" pans and avoid the sticking problem by cooking the food in bacon grease, lard, piles of butter or aerosol spray. sounds much healthier!! imma gonna go finish off my vodka while i read up more on this. |
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- Posted by danab_z9_la (My Page) on Fri, Jul 1, 11 at 12:26
| To have an actual fear of modern day cookware is absolutely ridiculous. Today, fear mongering lives on and on and on in our society......especially in the minds of so many under educated Eco-nuts. Teflon causes as much cancer in humans as does mother's breast milk. Better watch out for that aluminum too.....ooooooohhh. That aluminum bogey man is gonna get ya if big bad Teflon doesn't!! Wait around long enough and you will see Al Gore pushing some "green" pots and pans.......and people throwing out perfectly good cookware to buy his product. Dan |
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