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Le creuset satin black enamel vs LC 's enamel

jerrymb
18 years ago

Hi , first off I noticed reading all the LC threads in the search, some people were thinking that Le Creuset in there fry & Grill pans were not using enamel, and the same in in the satin finished sauce pans, well there using what they call a satin finished enamel. I was looking at my LE black satin sauce pan and was thinking, boy this interior sure seems rough, like it was untreated cast iron except that it was like my 80 yr old cast iron frypan that is black, so i did some checking, i found a good explanation of this while checking the LE creuset and Bodum cast iron woks. so its not just some non stick or raw surface, but i do have to ask why are they using this surface, being so rough seem like it will be more of a challenge to clean even if it is enameled, for one I am thinking this cast irons surface is not as smooth, so i looked at my old iron frypan and its interior surface is really smooth, while the newer lodge stuff is really rough,and no matter how much oil you treat the lodge with it will never be as nonstick as my old frypan , I started to put all this togather an am thinking that the newer cast iron ls so rough and its not being machined like the old good products. So my thinking is their spraying the enamel over the rougher surface to save money, and calling it a satin finish, whats your opinion on this? JerryMB

Comments (16)

  • blondelle
    18 years ago

    Are you sure you're not confusing the matte black with the satin black? Does your saucepan have the stainless knob on top? As I understand it the matte black is a rougher finish that can be seasoned. The same finish as on the woks and skillets. It does season nicely and becomes smoother, shiny and almost nonstick. The newer satin black has a black interior that is smoother, and just a little more matte than the sand shiny enamel interiors. It's not supposed to be rough at all.

  • jerrymb
    Original Author
    18 years ago

    well i was looking at the knob and its black and it sounds like metal rather then plastic, the top has 3 rings and a steam hole, the handle is black and has a chrome ring for hanging the pan, the pan is a litte flared on the sides, with a lip on both sides and the lip is rolled, and has a half moon helper handle and it says Le creuset. On the outside bottom its a smooth enamel, the inside of the top says france, and 2 1/2 us followed by some mark. there is also a 20, on the website is says black satin finish and supposed to be the same inside, the inside botton is not smooth like my LC 7.25 qt dutch oven, that enamel is real smooth. according to my research, the Satin black is not supposed to be real smooth, its more like my Bodum wok that has the enamel and that is not real smooth either. also the frypans and the grill pans have this enamel, and their not smooth either. I saw the 2 3/4 soup pot with the same finish and color, Satin black.

  • blondelle
    18 years ago

    Your saucepan is the older color called Matte Black, and not the new Satin Black that replaced it. The SB color ONLY has the shiny silver knobs. The inside is rougher on the MB, which is why they came out with the SB which is more like their sand enamel but with a slightly less shiny black interior. Your saucepan will develop a seasoned patina like real cast iron. It will not come totally clean like their regular shiny sand enamel interior surfaces.

  • jerrymb
    Original Author
    18 years ago

    blondelle, thanks, well i am not sure if thats good nrws, a sauce pan usally cooks at lower temps then a grill ar fry pan, sounds like this pan would be better off used only for deep frying or just taken back to get another type pan, with the steam hole in the lid, it wont even be a good stove top soup pot, for making the small slow cooked soups, whats your opinion of this? thanks JerryMB

  • blondelle
    18 years ago

    If you want a small soup pot I would get the rounded bottom 2 5/8 qt one. It's a much more versatile pot. It has two loop handles. If you want the black then get the Satin Black one. $69 at Amazon with free shipping. Great also for small stews, sauces (shaped like a saucier) curries and braising. It can also hold a small chicken for roasting.

  • jerrymb
    Original Author
    18 years ago

    blondelle, I have seen that matte black finish on that soup pot, I was planning on getting the newer satin finish soup pot. but what about this sauce pan, would you just use it for deep frying or what?

  • blondelle
    18 years ago

    I really don't think you need both pieces as they are the same size. You can deep fry in the soup pot too. The saucepan would be much easier to pour from though. If you can swing both go for it, but I would rather have the soup pot if I had to choose just one.

  • jerrymb
    Original Author
    18 years ago

    Hi blondelle, well i could take back the sauce pan and order the soup pot, I got the the sauce pan for $50. and i can get the matching matte black soup pot for another $50
    It dosnt sound like either of these pieces are worth the $50 with $69 getting the new one

  • blondelle
    18 years ago

    Just curious! Where are you finding these pieces for only $50?

  • jerrymb
    Original Author
    18 years ago

    what state you live in lol, "TJMax" , do you think i should hold onto this Matte black sauce pan? is there any enamel on the interior or is it a pre oiled pan and thats why it matches the exterior, i could use it just as a deep fryer, any other ideas? thanks JerryMB

  • blondelle
    18 years ago

    That's a great price for the saucepan. Amazon has it for $130 I think. The interior of the matte black is fully enameled, just that high temp surface. It's fine for anything you would use their regular saucepan for. Whether you keep it depends on the type of cooking you do. You can always ebay it ;-). The 1 1/4 qt. ones in matte black went for about $62, and your's is a larger, more useful size!

  • jerrymb
    Original Author
    18 years ago

    blondelle, "just that high temp surface" are you saying that only the interior surface is enameled, and that its good for high temp. I would think that the soup pot would be a different story in that the newer version is only twenty dollars more the the matte black soup pot, seems smarter to go that way, dont you think?

  • blondelle
    18 years ago

    All sufaces of the Matte Black are enameled. Yes, the inside is the same surface as the wok, and skillet which can take a higher temperature. The Satin Black soup pot though isn't $69.99 any more at Amazon. They just raised it to $119.99, although it can come down again. Keep watching it if you want it. The soup pot is a more versatile pan. Depends on your cooking needs though.

  • jerrymb
    Original Author
    18 years ago

    blondelle, guess what? i got the soup pot for $36, i was going to pay $50 but they lowered the price, what a break, i will hold onto both now, JerryMB

  • blondelle
    18 years ago

    Jerry, that's a great deal! I just saw the Satin Black in Bloomies, and it's just as rough as the Matte Black inside. Le Creuset told me otherwise. Thought they knew their own products, but I guess not...lol!

  • jerrymb
    Original Author
    18 years ago

    Hi Blondelle, well I took back the Sauce pan, I just couldnt find that good enough of a reason to keep it, It has a hole in the lid, this is not good for most of the things that you would use it for so i traded it for a Calphalon one grill pan, ( not the non stick), we will see how that works out. I figure i would stick with the soup pot and get the newer model down the road,that should be a good combination