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Oh dear, another thread about Bosch vs. Assistent/DLX mixers!

Posted by theresse (My Page) on
Tue, Nov 5, 13 at 4:49

Hi All -

I can't decide between these two stand mixers. I know I want one of them (not interested in KA at this time or any other brand) but I'm so stuck! Everything I'm about to share is based on all the reading I've been doing online (not sure how factual any of it is).

The Bosch is butt ugly (okay that's my opinion) but powerful and makes a good dense most chewy bread (can do high-hydration dough if using the metal bowl w/ bottom hook apparently, but primarily excels at lower-hydration and average doughs) and seems to also successfully do mashed potatoes as well as dense cookies, pie crusts, whipped cream, meat loaf, creams, etc. Doesn't do well with cold butter creaming though (I don't really care too much - I don't think the Ankarsrum does either though).

The Ankarsrum (Assistent, Electrolux, Magic Mill, DLX, whichever name you choose to call it) is drop-dead gorgeous to my eyes (love all the colors and retro look and how well-built it looks and is - no plastic parts on the inside either) and makes very good bread they say but my issues are that the whisk and cookie/cake whisk look weak and I've read it can't make good mashed potatoes or pie crust for whatever reason (not sure what parts that reviewer was using - whisk or roller or what). I also prefer dough that is lower-hydration more often than not...that makes sandwich bread with a tighter/closed "crumb" (the inside of the bread looks dense instead of spongy, with larger holes) as well as pizzas, bagels and rolls. I like the more open crumb breads too - the artisan breads are something that's nice with the right cheese and wine - but I'm thinking about the entire family when I think about the convenience of one of these mixers (trying to be practical). This machine is better for the airy, light, open crumb breads and artisan (hearth?) breads, if I'm understanding correctly. And I wouldn't mind so much making those by hand just cause those are gentler on the tennis elbow you know? Though it can do your basic sandwich bread, pizza and everything else, too - just might be more light, for lack of a better word. The whisks, as well as the new cookie/cake paddle-whisk thingie, can only be used with the slightly smaller, plastic bowl. I don't like that - I want the option of stainless for both bowls, like the Bosch has.

But did I tell you I LUUUUUV the way the machine looks? Lol. I don't mind the learning curve and I don't mind the higher-hydration dough necessarily. But I do mind if it can't make a good gigantic pile of creamy mashed potatoes or a nice pie dough. I want it to do more than just make bread dough and whip cream.

Does anyone have experience to share on this ridiculous, very first-world matter??!

Thank you! :)


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RE: Oh dear, another thread about Bosch vs. Assistent/DLX mixers!

I can't speak to the DLX, but the Bosch can do it all. When the kids were home, I routinely milled grain and made six loaves of bread at a time (some for the freezer). I could make mulitiple batches of anything with no problem. It also makes a single loaf of bread easily or whips just a little cream.

I also had the continuous slicer/shredder and could shred a bushel of potatoes (if I wanted; never did:) without having to stop and empty a bowl. I loved it.

I just recently gave mine to a friend because I no longer want something that large. I still have my old Hobart KA mixer from thirty years ago, when I want it, but I find myself using my food processor to make bread most of the time now.

Good luck with your decision. I agree, the Bosch isn't the prettiest thing. :)


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I have the Electrolux Magic Mill. Have had it since around 1994 or 95. I'm not sure why you think this machine is good for kneading a particular type of dough. I will knead any type of dough and do it well. I typically knead 12 cup batches of bread dough. And I very seldom use the bread hook. The roller does the job.

Funny, I've never thought of my MagicMill as being a thing of beauty. So I had to go and check out the newer ones. They are much prettier now that they come in different colours.

Cooking2day, I have had my old Hobart KA mixer for over 30 years too. It gets used for most cake and cookie batters. I tend to just use the Magic Mill for bread doughs.

~Ann


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One of the reasons I would choose the DLX (aside from how dang cute it is) is the ability to use it for small batches. Not everyone is making 6 loaves at a time or has the space to store the extra. Also, I keep reading that Bosch doesn't do a good job at mixing high hydration doughs. The Compact seems to remedy these problems, but then you have to do multiple batches in the event you're making a lot.

I'm not much of a baker, and don't eat a lot of grains, but DH and my kids do so I'd like to start making as many things as I can. The price tags make me choke a bit, so I have to be convinced I'd use it all the time!

Whatever you pick, please come back and give us a review!


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I have had/have both machines. The Bosch for 20+ years and for the past 10 years I've had the Assistant. Unfortunately, I took my morning medication at 9:00 am and now I'm, as usual, sicker than a dog. So, I don't have the ability to type out a lengthy comparison. I'm headed back to bed. But, I promise, to return this afternoon and post my thoughts, experiences, and preferences on both machines.

/tricia


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I have an old Magic Mill/DLX. It will happily make lower-hydration dough as well as high-hydration dough. I've never tried it with mashed potatoes.


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I have an old Bosch Universal (bought circa 1995) and never had trouble with high-hydration doughs. I mill my own grains and do 6 loaves of bread at a time in it without problem. I've also done cookies, potatoes, cakes, waffles, pizza dough, sourdoughs/poolish/all that kind of thing and etc. :-) I also roll my own grains for cereal and use it to power a Family Grain Mill when I want grains that aren't milled too finely. I actually wore out one of the rollers, so it's a heavily used machine. It's a workhorse for sure. I've never owned a DLX but I'm sure it's great, too. All things being equal, if you really like the look of the DLX over the Bosch, why not just get one?

Cj


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Wow - thanks so much everyone! Dang it I missed this place (gardenweb)! Now that my kitchen is done (or as done as I can afford it to be done), I'm not here as often as I used to be and I'd forgotten just how helpful and responsive this community is. :)

Cooking2day - good to know the Bosch worked so well for you and your family. I have a family of 5 (3 boys, at that) which is one of the reasons I need one of these 2 machines. Enough to feed an army would be a good thing. And we have a freezer in the basement and have always frozen several extra loaves re. the store-bought ones.

Our favorite store-bought bread is Dave's Killer Bread which is expensive but oh so good (especially the one called "Good Seed") so I'd like to try to experiment until I find a recipe that's close to that bread. I've found a few online that people have created saying it's fairly close - just haven't tried one of them yet. But at any rate I don't have any other stand mixer and never have. It's weird that I waited so long. I do have a handheld electric mixer, an immersion/stick blender, a Vitamix and a food processor. I can't believe I'm willing to add any more to this small kitchen! But I wouldn't be without any of those UNLESS I could maybe do some food-processing with one of these big mixer attachments. I have no interest in either of their blenders though - nothing beats a Vitamix!

Ann - that's just what I read on 4 or 5 different sites. I may have misunderstood what I read though. Which is to say that maybe it excels at higher-hydration breads but also can do lower ones easily. I'm new to "bread" so don't understand what makes a bread higher or lower besides the obvious amount of liquid (?). It seems to me the pizza makers who are really obsessed with the science of the perfect pizza prefer the Bosch, and it had to do with lower-hydration, if memory serves. I don't know why there's such a high-hydration, "big holes in the crumb" craze, honestly. There's a time and place for it but not ALL the time! I wouldn't want a bunch of holes in my sandwich bread, or pizza, or bagels. I suppose that sounds very "white bread" of me - lol. And no, I hate white bread. Whole grains with lots of seeds, all the way! :)

Alex - that makes sense, as long as the Ankarsrum can in fact make low-hydration doughs. Again, I need to

Triciae - I hope you get some good sleep and feel better soon! That sounds awful. Can't wait to read your comparisons!

Johnliu - Hi! Someone did get back to me and said the roller makes creamy mashed potatoes. Try it right now and get back to me k? ;)


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Thanks cj47!

Sounds like you've had a great experience with the Bosch!

I'm on the fence cause the Bosch seems so easy and user friendly, fast and powerful and cheaper...and most people swear by them. It feels more like the average person's workhorse. Though some are saying they've changed the innards which now use plastic and problems are starting to show up. AND, because while the Ankarsrum is a beauty, I think it's more for dough than anything else (even though I know a lot of people use the meat grinder attachments et al), and it's just super expensive. I guess I feel guilty spending that much, and I feel like it's for really fancy people and I don't feel so fancy these days - lol. I feel guilty about being so drawn by its looks...I know, I sound like a crazy person. And, well, I guess I am.

Meanwhile I DID happen to find out that Sur La Table has them on their website - just not in their stores (or at least around these parts). What that means is that I could buy one and if I absolutely hated it, I have an entire year to get a full refund even if nothing's technically wrong with it, and I could just take it back to my local store. It takes 7-10 business days to receive it. At first I thought I'd have to order it online from one of the places that while reputable, only give you a month to return it.

This post was edited by theresse on Tue, Nov 5, 13 at 16:21


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Also found out that Bed Bath and Beyond carries the Bosch Universal Plus for the usual price of $400.00. They have a 100% customer satisfaction return policy with no expiration (seems a bit too good to be true, but I just called) and that can be returned to any local store as well.


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Aren't you in Portland? There is an older Magic Mill on local Craigslist for $250. Looks like the same vintage as mine.


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Yes and I saw that Johnliu but the person never wrote me back. Might have already sold it (you know how people hate to remove their ads). Oh wait - no that's for $175.00. I don't see any for $250.00. There is one that's $225 but I like the look of the more modern ones. What kills me is that for 200.00 there was a woman who just sold hers that has 600 watts and very close to the style they have now. The one for $175 has the 450 watts (Assistent N24) but looks identical to the one that just sold that has 600.

Hey! I made bread tonight for the first time in about 15 years! Just by hand, whole wheat (with oat bran, flax, sesame seeds and sunflower seeds) and two loaves, with my 7 year-old. I can see how nice it would be to have a mixer do a lot of that work! Especially if that were a 4 or 6-loaf recipe!


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Some pics

...of bread my son and I made tonight :)

The first one is of the sponge.


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My son had a blast kneading the dough.


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Ta da! It's bread.


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Your bread looks good enough to eat. :)

Your son is cute, too. He looks pretty satisfied with himself.


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I know that look.
"Really, Mom?"

:-)

Great looking bread!


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Theresse, do you want to try out my DLX for a week?

It is an older one but I imagine it works similarly to the current ones. I'm in NE PDX, Laurelhurst.


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You are so kind to offer! Sure!! I live in Irvington so not far from you at all. How fun - that'll be a huge help I'm sure. So nice of you!

Bread was okay, by the way, but I have to tell you, there was a teeny tiny taste of alcohol (?!). The molasses wasn't expired yet but had been bought a year or two ago and the lid was not on tight at all. I don't know if that's it or what. I'll taste it tonight to see if maybe that slight taste was just cause of the yeast or being fresh out of the oven or what. The kids didn't seem to notice, but then they had butter and jam.


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Funny, we are almost neighbors. I sent you an email via GW.


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Made a triple batch of cookies tonight in your mixer Johnliu, using whole wheat flour (and some white flour) and adding chocolate chips, peanut butter chips, pecans and almonds. :) It took a while to cream the room-temp butter with the sugar, using the roller (not shocking - and the ones they sell today have the bowl and batter whisks) and then of course it took a while to get it all mixed up and I had to watch to make sure the batter didn't attempt to cling onto the scraper than creep up that and over the edge of the bowl. But it made delicious cookies!

Thanks again! More info later..


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I own the Bosch and love it- it is a typical German product- strong & reliable; perhaps not the most beautiful. May I say that a lot of the results of breads & baking are the cook's remedy, not the machine's. I have to say when I viewed the Ankarsum; I was blown away by its "good looks" but just simply decided my Bosch did everything I asked of it & was already paid for!! It sounds to me that you really want the Ankarsum- don't torture yourself with "what ifs"- Get it now & enjoy!


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Bevwinchester -

Thank you for sharing! I'm going to try making bread in his machine tonight if I have time and then mashed potatoes after that. I know there's a learning curve with the Ankarsrum and yes I'm totally blown away by its gorgeous looks compared to the Bosch, but deep down I know the Bosch is very user-friendly and I love how you don't have to use two different bowls (and can purchase stainless if you want) for the bread hooks and the whips, whisks etc. That right there is a biggie. But the looks...the looks... the Ankarsrum is screaming my name!!! But the angel on my other shoulder is seriously shaking her head at me. Tisk tisk tisk "and do you think you have that kind of money??!!" Aaaargh! ;)

At any rate I'm so grateful to Johnliu for allowing me - a complete stranger from this forum - to use his older mixer for a week! Cause I might - just might - be able to get over that learning-curve hump in that time and I'm sure the newer machine has several advantages over the old one as it is. But the roller design is the same so if it continues to be as slow as it is, relatively speaking, I may get discouraged. I think the bigger issue really though is having to stand there and watch it and move the arm. Kind of defeats one of the two purposes of a stand mixer (one being so you don't have to have pain in the arm for heavy doughs, and the other being that you can walk away and multi-task while the machine does the work, IMO)!


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You're not a stranger.

Why are you having to watch the machine as it works? Because the dough is climbing? Maybe try the arm adjustment so that the roller sits off the bowl a bit?

I've never used or seen the bowl with whisks, or indeed any of the other attachments and gizmos for the DLX. But I've never done anything with it but make bread dough. That's really what I got it for, to process four or five pounds of wet bread dough.


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I don't understand why you would have to stand and watch the machine either. I made a 12 cup batch of bread dough today, a very wet dough, using the roller and I set a timer and walked away. I don't use the timer on the machine. I want it to keep kneading until I turn it off.

I've never found the machine slow. You can adjust the speed. I tend to keep it on the low side of HIGH.

If you look on Youtube, you can find a number of Magic Mill videos that you might find helpful.

~Ann


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Johnliu - well you know what I mean - I'm a stranger in the sense that we'd never met in person anyway!

I did try the arm adjustment and it did help but I think because it takes time to get to know the machine and of course depends on the dough, I had to fiddle with it a bit and didn't feel safe walking off. But keep in mind your bowl was pretty darned full of dough! So yes it started creeping up the actual scraper (but not the roller) which was unexpected but no big deal...but again it's probably user error. And yes if I did put the roller too close to the edge it would of course start to climb there, as it should. It worked well when I had the roller just a bit off from the side or more toward the middle. It might be that when I had it in the middle, that's when it would start climbing up the scraper. Why didn't I do a video?!

The current model's basic package comes with the roller and scraper, dough hook, spatula for cleaning the roller's grooves, 4 qt. plastic bowl that has a column in the center on which fits: a pair of balloon whisks, a pair of cookie "whips," (better for cake batter and lighter cookies) and then the metal bowl (8 quarts) also now comes with a lid which people use for letting the dough rise, keeping dust out during storage and then I think it also turns upside down and becomes a bowl of sorts.

Lots of fun colors:
http://jalyns.ca/mixer.html

Here's the way they look now:

Here is a link that might be useful: Current model


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Ann,

I think if I were making a wet dough I wouldn't have to hover. It's because it was so thick that it kept requiring more babysitting as they say. The thickness is why (or part of the reason) it would climb up the roller or scraper if I didn't move the arm...but if I moved the arm too far one way or the other then it would start climbing somewhere else, naturally. That's because it was so full. It was a triple batch of essentially chocolate chip with nuts cookie dough. I was tempted to make it go faster just cause the roller had a lot of thick dough to push through (again, probably not necessary) but I didn't want to wait around too long if I didn't have to. But the 3/4 speed on the newer 600-watt models (not sure if you have older or newer model?) is the full speed on the previous model which is the 460-watt model I believe, from only a few years ago. Johnliu's model is older than that - maybe from the early '80's? Don't know (curious)! So far it's doing the job just as they say all of them do, regardless of age!

Here's a pic of it in my kitchen (matches)! Oh Johhhn...doesn't this pic of your mixer in my kitchen make you want it back soon?!! hehhehee (you'll get it soon)...

Yes I've been having fun (if one can have fun when obsessed) watching all the youtube videos, thanks! ;)

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Forgot to mention that I had friends over the other night and showed them the mixer and turned it on (when it was empty). They oohed and ahhed over it, not having a clue it was the older style - they loved it just the way it is. When I showed them pics on my laptop of the newer ones they basically started drooling, lol. But they all agreed that that older style looks very nice and professional.


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I just bought the Ankarsrum in my favorite color....red....and it is absolutely gorgeous. Since it just arrived I haven't had an opportunity to use it yet but am planning to later this weekend. I did plug it in to make sure it ran and it purrs. Reminds me of an expensive car.

I have the newer 7 quart KitchenAid that I like and plan on keeping it since it will cream cold butter from the fridge if I'm in a hurry to make some cookies. I do find the head of the mixer irritating at times because it's in the way, but it's still a good machine and the ice cream maker works wonderfully with it. And it does do a great job with cakes, cookies, muffins, etc. I've made a double batch of whole wheat bread in it, but because of it's limitations with dough that heavy I end up having to finish the kneading by hand.

I also have a Bosch Universal Plus, and though it is fine, I'm not enamored with it. I don't feel it whips cookies or cakes as nicely as a KitchenAid. I found I do not like the center post, and certain bread doughs will continually climb it. As I said, it's fine, but I never bonded with it....partly because of the plastic construction and partly because I feel the KitchenAid is better for many things. I store it in a base drawer in my kitchen and use it primarily for the flour sifter attachment when I need the bran sifted out of my flour for delicate pastries.

I purchase most of my things from Pleasant Hill Grain, but I bought the Ankarsrum from Breadbeckers....they are the U.S. importer for the machine now. I would have no hesitation in purchasing the machine from Pleasant Hill Grain and they have a 30 day satisfaction policy, but Breadbeckers is great as well. After much discussion with them I determined the Ankarsrum is a much better built machine than the newer Bosch mixers.

I have no doubts that I am going to love this Ankarsrum. I don't feel the "learning curve' is going to be any different than any learning curve with cooking in general. The machine is extremely well made and very pretty, in my opinion, but I like the old retro look in my kitchen anyway.

The only thing I wish were different is I wish they offered a stainless smaller bowl to replace the plastic one. A glass one would be even better. Maybe if they get enough requests they will find it worth it to set up tooling for it.

They are coming out with a clear BPA free small plastic bowl in the near future. Breadbeckers said that the plastic bowl comes with it because certain things are not supposed to be mixed in metal, but I can't imagine what (and haven't had that question answered yet). There must be something or they wouldn't say that. However, I've made just about anything and everything in my KitchenAid with no issues with the stainless bowl.

I bought the meat grinder complete package and the "food processor" attachments as well, and am looking forward to trying them out.

I'd say treat yourself to the Ankarsrum. It sounds like that's really where your heart is. When I bought the Bosch a few years ago I went through the same indecision. I really wanted the Ankarsrum (DLX name at the time), but "settled" on the Bosch because of the price. As you can see, I ended up spending all that money anyway.

I'm not saying the Bosch isn't a great machine, and I'm not trying to insult anyone who loves theirs. My point in all of this is every machine has it's pros and cons, and you should get what you are truly drawn to. I love my red Ankarsrum so far, and anticipate many happy hours in my kitchen with it.


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Oooh red! Ha you're funny - I think you need to get rid of the Bosch now. Unsolicited advice here but I don't think you need 3 mixers!!

I agree and wish the bowl with whisks was metal. I do think I saw on youtube that some people in other countries have a glass bowl though, instead of a plastic one. I could swear I saw that. I wonder if it's an option though I doubt it is. I don't think it's that big a deal but plastic's not ideal for whipped cream. I don't have any other stand mixers so I'm hoping I can figure out how to do most of the stuff you do in your KA, but in this mixer.

Tonight we made bread using Johnliu's Magic Mill DLX. It was so fun! What's interesting is that the thick cookie dough seemed to be harder to do for the machine than the bread dough was. That said, I used the roller/scraper with the cookie dough and the dough hook with the whole grain, seedy, dense bread (as they suggest). I think the cookie dough might have done well on the dough hook - might want to try that at some point when/if I get the Ankarsrum. Anyway after tonight, I'm pretty sure I'm getting one.

Here are pics:


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Dough after pulling away from the sides


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Another pic showing dough after pulling away from sides of bowl


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Check this out!!


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It's alive!

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Uhhhh...

My child decided to give the dough breasts. Very interesting looking breasts I must say!


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Johnliu...

Johnliu - this machine was a blast to make bread in! A double batch (4 loaves) seems the perfect amount for the machine. I won't deny wanting one big time now - although I'll know for 100% sure when/if the bread turns out well!


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Pretty sure that would have stripped the gears of a KitchenAid, even a Hobart one . . .


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I'm pretty sure too! The mixer didn't struggle one bit. With the cookie batch, which was a triple batch, I was using the roller and scraper and it felt like it was a bit much for the machine. Someone on youtube did a triple batch too so I knew it could handle it (plus Bredbeckers says even a quadruple would be fine, though maybe a challenge) but it may be that the newer ones work better for triple batches I don't know - or it may simply be that one has to use the dough hook for such a dense big batch of cookie dough.

I'm thinking how odd it is that you and I probably hear the same train in the distance right now. Funny.

Anyway, it's a great mixer! Tomorrow I'll try mashed potatoes then I'm done. :) The bread just came out and it was FABULOUS. Way better than our first batch and I swear it tastes a LOT like Dave's Good Seed bread!!! I put so many seeds in it. This time I used honey and molasses instead of just pure cane sugar and molasses, and I added a tiny bit more honey than was called for (knowing Dave's bread has a ton of sweet stuff in it), and this time I also added an egg and a tiny bit more canola oil. I used sprouted whole wheat and also some oat bran and steel cut oats and vital wheat gluten and maybe something else besides seeds and the other basics. Also added steam to the oven this time.


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Hot bread

Smaller loaf came out first - kids and husband ate almost the entire loaf in 10 minutes.

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Gonna' be a run on the DLXes now. They need to offer you compensation for those photos!


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" ----Johnliu - well you know what I mean - I'm a stranger in the sense that we'd never met in person anyway!---"

A friend in knead, is a friend indeed! :-)

Great looking kitchen. Too early for Christmas lights?

Great thread.

dcarch


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I really, really, really want a mashed potatoes report. I spend a lot of time mashing them when I wish I could be doing other things.


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Kitchendetective - ha that's funny! Yes well I suppose that's true however I made several posts in the past in which I was seeking information and thought so certainly implied that the mixer had several potential weaknesses compared to the Bosch. So NOW I'm sold, but originally I wasn't so much. I still think the Bosch appears to be a fantastic machine. But it's interesting to me how the aesthetics and the tactile experience of the machine - if that makes sense - are a bigger part than I realized, when it comes into making a decision (or feeling you can't help but leaning toward one over the other). Not only is the Ankarsrum absolutely COOL and gorgeous looking (in my opinion) but there's something about the spinning bowl and the relative silence of the machine and the way the dough gently rolls around in there...it's fun. It's almost like I'm at a pottery wheel?! Cue the 1950s music from "Ghost." Is Patrick Swayze standing behind me while the bowl spins around? ;)

I will make mashed potatoes tonight (if I can - I just remembered a meeting I have to go to) and report back on that. I'm already sold I'm afraid (cha ching) but it will be a huge bonus for me if I can make them cause like you it takes so long that if I could be doing other things in the kitchen while they're mashing away, that would be great. I've read that they sort of over-process them - that they won't necessarily turn out light and fluffy but will be dense and rich and creamy. The way that was described, I pictured them becoming the same consistency as if a ricer had been used. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, to many people anyway. So we shall see...

dcarch - indeed! :) I think it's fair to say that Johnliu has earned a loaf of fresh bread!
Thank you for the kitchen compliment! That's how Johnliu and I met actually - over at the kitchen forum! It's actually a kitchen that wouldn't impress you much in person I'm afraid. It's smaller than it looks in photos (has a mudroom beyond it which goes out toward the back of the house and which has a small powder room off it - and most people in the neighborhood by now have knocked out that wall and expanded their kitchens!), and has a chimney poking into the room, and has 4 doors leading to the kitchen (including one at the top of a small set of stairs which leads to the main stairs, and the mudroom door, and two swinging doors) has a wood floor that desperately needs to be refinished (but may not have anything left to refinish - I need to find out about that) and has a year 2000 electric typical white stove and a more recent Samsung fridge. Not too impressive after all. But yes I suppose from that angle - which shows are relatively new backsplash, sink, faucet and stainless counter - it looks fancier than it is!! We could afford THAT much anyway, lol. What IS great are the hundred year-old cabinets (which you can't really see in the photos), and my AWESOME Miele dishwasher. NO REGRETS. I should also get a commission from Miele (and don't get me started on how much I love my Leo vacuum by them)... What a brand name whore I've become.

Yes it's a bit too early for xmas lights thank you very much. I'm annoyed as it is that we're getting all the commercials already!! I do have some nice xmas decorations for the kitchen though (seems to me I have a set of battery-operated lights that go somewhere - maybe a fake branch that lights up or something like that). I'll have to clean up the counter when I get the mixer and decorate things just for you then I'll post pics. ;)

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Ack! I did it - I ordered the Ankarsrum mixer!! I'm so excited. Now comes that darned waiting period of counting the days till it arrives. I ordered it in a brand new color called "Light Creme" or "Creme Light" depending on the country. It's not available in the U.S. yet but I ordered it from Jalyns in Canada (the canadian distributor for the mixer) because they just got them in:

http://www.jalyns.ca/mixer.html

I gotta tell you, they were so incredibly helpful up there, if anyone else has any reason to shop in Canada (or wants that color). Excellent customer service and just a really nice woman (Lynn). The light creme color is more of a true cream as opposed to the cream that came out first which leans a bit toward yellow. I was hesitant to commit to any one color re. an expensive item which is why nothing else in my kitchen that's permanent is a strong color - just things like utensils, throw rugs, towels and nick-knacks. I met someone who bought orange (LOVE that one) because she has a decent-sized collection of Le Crueset cookware that stays out on display. I would have done that, too, had I such nice dishes and a place to show them off!

I feel gross, going on and on about this when I allow myself to think about the problems going on in the world today, particularly in the Philippenes. I should be ashamed to even talk about this stupid mixer. Please take a moment to donate to help with the Haiyan relief effort. I just did on both Facebook and paypal. You can find quick ways to donate without having to barely lift a finger. I cannot get over the amount of devastation they are having to endure.

I'll include a link in case it helps any of you get there...

Here is a link that might be useful: Please donate to the Red Cross


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But it's interesting to me how the aesthetics and the tactile experience of the machine - if that makes sense - are a bigger part than I realized.
Absolutely, those matter. I have a Hobart-made mixer purchased the first year we were married and the solidity of it contributes to the experience of using it. The new ones that I have seen do not feel that way at all. I have a Magimix food processor that has a solid feel, too, but a) the process of adding the potatoes to the mash/puree attachment requires standing there and feeding them in, so I can't really do other things; and b) that attachment itself has a less solid feel to it than does the rest of the machine. They do come out like riced potatoes, though. And, perhaps off-topic, I recently learned that not all ricers work equally. My thirty-eight-year-old tinned ricer from France makes far fluffier potatoes than does the new, larger, aluminum one that was supposed to be the latest and greatest. I suspect it's something about the sharpness of the edges of the holes. And something about aluminum makes my teeth itch, anyway. Like microfiber rags do. Oh heavens, I'm sounding like such an old lady, "Everything was better back when . . ." Sorry. Back to your regularly scheduled discussion.


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I'm late to this party, but I have a Magic Mill,a gift from Deb/Momto4kids. If I'd have know what the things cost when she gave it to me I'd never have been comfortable with the gift, but I'm sure loving it!

First thing, I used it to make dinner rolls for a wedding with 600 invited guests, and I've used it many times for large batches of bread or cookies for family parties and school functions.

I love it for bread and I will admit that there is a learning curve, in fact I think I'm still learning. It's a great machine and I think you'll be really happy with it.

John, that was very kind and generous of you to lend your machine. Maybe you should request a recommendation fee from the company, since it probably helped sell one!

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I went to the site Theresse pointed out, and checked out the various attachments. Wow, I had no idea that a DLX can be a meat grinder, a pasta machine, a citrus juicer, a vegetable slicer, a blender, etc. Has anyone used all those accessories? Do they really work?


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Just as a point for anyone reading this who's also considering, the Bosch also has all those accessories, including a grain roller for making your own oatmeal, which I have and which works wonderfully.


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Got the mixer! Haven't had time to use it yet but will later today. :) :) :) Pics below...

Kitchendetective,

Here's a short video of John Liu's DLX making mashed potatoes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g73reztHtk

I think using an electric hand mixer would be lightyears faster than using a food processor! They're also faster than using a DLX mixer (haven't tried the Ankarsrum yet which is the newer version and is more powerful) but the nice thing about the DLX/Ankarsrum mixers is that they're fast enough, and they mostly allow you to walk away and come back later. I say mostly cause if you have a couple of stubborn lumps, moving the arm (roller location) a little can help.

Hey - I've never heard of teeth itching! ;)

Annie1992 -

If it makes you feel better (and it's not one of the newest ones), I read they used to cost less than they do now. Did you see the Breadbeckers video about how to use it for making bread? Just in case you haven't:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMB4CVG5fLs

Johnliu -

I might be wrong but I think most of those attachments will work with your mixer. I could swear I read that somewhere. I'm very tempted - especially now that I know I'm going to be leaving the mixer out on the counter permanently (no cupboard space!) - to order the shredder-slicer for grated cheese mainly (well maybe also potatoes for potato pancakes and cabbage for some sort of slaw...cause the slicer slices veggies too thin for my tastes). Also tempting to get the meat grinder only cause you have to have it in order to attach many of the other options, such as the pasta maker discs which I'd also really like (have never made homemade pasta before but I'd love to make spinach fettucini)! The citrus juicer would be nice but I read it's average.

cj47 -

And in some ways the Bosch might be even faster/more efficient. I almost got it and I think it's a great choice too. I just don't think I could leave it out on the counter the way I can with the Ankarsrum.

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The issue here is that John's older model (DLX9000) fit under my unusually low cabinets and this model can't, so it has to be either there where it is in the pic or else just to the right of the sink where there's no cabinet overhead. My concern is that the motor could get splashed or the rubber feet could get worn down being only a foot or so from the sink (if a puddle of water forms, which it sometimes does). There's no room in the cabinets either!

You can see why I picked the unobtrusive "light creme" color...because it goes so well with the small kitchen (which doesn't usually look so colorless by the way - thanks camera!). There's also a white fruit bowl that goes on that countertop and there's usually splashes of color from flowers, towels, etc. I think a real color - cheerful as they are - would be too much for that room and might get old for me (much as I was tempted by pink!).

Oh and I forgot to mention: it's a nice feature that the cord is now removable and can be fully stored inside the bowl. I think that's the difference between the Assistents and the Ankarsrums.

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Congratulations! You do know, of course, that we will be expecting future reports and visual aids? The machine looks great on your counter top--it belongs there!


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I went over to check out theresse's new machine. It does look great in her kitchen, the color is perfect.

The current model is meaningfully improved over my 30+ year old version. The rotational speed is more stable at low speeds (rpm), the high speed is higher than mine can do, the motor is quieter and more powerful. On the new machine, you can use the dough hook and the bowl scraper at the same time. I got to play with the beater/whisk setup and now I want those accessories as well. The new case is more compact, while the new machine is a little bit taller (the arm is taller). Very nice!


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Good little mini review there John! :)

Another thing I discovered after you left - which now makes me wonder if in fact it is actually taller (still may be) - is that if you keep the roller attached while storing it under the cabinet, it will actually fit! And that's because the roller pushes the arm forward enough to hold the tallest part of the arm further from the cabinet door, thus allowing it to fully open. Before, it could sit under there but the door wouldn't be able to open far. Before realizing this I thought I could screw the spring arm into position so that the cupboard door will open wide, and leave it held there in the center indefinitely, but I wasn't sure if that was good to keep the spring that way. Don't get me wrong - it's a SUPER sturdy spring - but the thing is if you keep the roller on, it pushes the arm in a better position for this purpose without having to tighten the spring. It's a small detail but regardless the mixer can now face either direction and go further under the cabinet which is nice in a small kitchen!


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Sorry for all the crazy posting but I wanted to show the mixer in the daylight. Then I'll stop with all the pics!!


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John, you can use the dough hook with the scraper, I have the Magic Mill with just the one hole for the scraper, but the dough hook has a welded bracket on the end that has a hole it in, the scraper fits in that hole. If you check pleasant hill grain they show the 2 different hooks, and say that the old style is for machines prior to 2007.

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Theresse, The electrical outlets should be GFP outlets if they are not already. The stainless steel counter may be electrically ground to the plumbing, which can be dangerous if any appliance has a ground leak.

Are those under-cabinet lights halogen lights? 20 watts each? some of them can get very hot for wood cabinets.

The mixer looks very good in your kitchen. No need to store it away.

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Barryv - that's good to know!

Dcarch - yes the outlets are GFP I believe (kitchen was updated a few years ago and they put an all new electrical panel beneath it in the basement and all new outlets which are up to code). I don't know about ground leaks (?) - you'd have to go into more detail there (sorry)!

No, the under-cab lights aren't halogen - they don't get quite as hot. They're dimmable Xenon 10-watt bulbs on a track with thinner-profile holders/clip thingies that direct the light/heat downward and which snap into the track. So there's not much heat getting to the wood, in theory anyway. But yes they do get quite warm. They're a very reputable company as was the electrician who installs them regularly so I'm not too concerned, knock on wood. The actual lighting system (?) is called Seagull Ambiance linear track lighting. 12 volts, low voltage and connected to a transformer kept under the kitchen in our basement. Mine are similar to a woman's who posted hers here on gardenweb:

http://s305.photobucket.com/user/LMALM53/media/UCTRANSFORMER.jpg.html

I LOVE having the warmth of those bulbs - wouldn't change them. No matter how many fluorescents I looked at when we bought these - and how much I wanted to like the fluroescents and how much they claimed to give off a warm glow, it didn't feel right to me at all. The xenons are wonderfully warm to look at (and they use less energy and last much longer than halogens too). But all that said, I never leave them on for super long periods of time. I use them more for ambience than task lighting, e.g. after the kitchen's mostly shut down for the evening but before bed. I'm all about kitchens being dim and glowy when not actually prepping food. :)

I agree - it's too purdy to store away!

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Hey, I want to thank theresse for getting my DLX out of the basement. I hadn't used it for a long time, but now I'm making pizza dough and thinking about making bread again.


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Sorry, didn't get back to this thread.

Re: Ground fault

Electric ground is an important part of electricity and electronics. In electronics, all audio cables are ground shielded to prevent interferences. In circuit design, ground is always the negative terminal.

In power electric system, the ground wire of household power is connected to the power company’s generator. There are many paths to the ground, water pipes are very good electrical grounds. Wet earth is also electrically conductive to the power company’s ground terminal. If you connect one wire to the hot wire and then one wire to the water pipe, you can light up a light bulb (don’t do it. Dangerous!).

In your kitchen, the stainless counter is probably connected to the water pipes, therefore it is acting as a very good connector to the ground. If there is any kind of electric leakage from an appliance, and you happen to touch the appliance and the counter, there will be a danger of electrocution, unless the appliance is plugged into a GFP outlet, which will instantaneously trip and cut off the power to keep you safe.

BTW, a 10 watt xenon bulb uses just as much electric power as a 10 watt halogen bulb. Although a 10 watt xenon bulb will produce more light in the visible spectrum and a halogen will produce more in the infrared spectrum.

BTW, if your lights are on a dimmer, you can very significantly increase the bulb’s life by slightly lower the dimmer. A 5% drop in voltage can double the life of the bulbs. A 5% drop in voltage will not appear to your eyes much dimmer.

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Dcarch - that was interesting - thanks for sharing all that info! I loved what you shared about dimmers (and think of that all the time now when using them)!

Johnliu - hi there! Hope you had a nice Xmas/New Year! Thanks for the kind words. :) So have you used it since...made anything yummy? I haven't made anything beyond what I last wrote about I think (sandwich bread, kolache, cinnamon rolls, mashed potatoes as you know, cookies, pizza dough, dinner rolls, whipped cream and eggs in the plastic bowl...can't think what else if anything).

I'm trying to grow homemade sourdough yeast now in a canning jar!! Such serious business eh?! I thought I'd attempt to make sourdough bread or french bread or some sort of rustic bread. The yeast can be used in any kind of bread. And in the process you're supposed to discard some of it regularly during the process of feeding the yeast, so that - so I've read - will be very good in pancakes or waffles.

I think I told you I got a small electric countertop grain mill off Craigslist - a Nutrimill - and I just put in an order to Azure Standard (local farm/distributor of organic foods/co-op/delivery) and next week I pick up my first order of a variety of wheat berries. Crazy huh?! I've lost my mind. I even bought food-grade storage pails and gamma seal lids to keep the wheat berries in long term in case I flake out or lose interest in all this, haha. Someone call the Geek police. But meanwhile I'll never have to buy flour in the store again - I can just mill however much I need for each recipe. I don't think I overdid it with how many wheat berries I got and the pails are only 2 gallons each which makes something like 16 loaves or less for the red wheat berries (whole wheat) and the bread dough berries (hard white) and then I got 8 loaves or less worth of soft white berries (pastry flour) and einkorn which will be a fun experience cause it's an ancient wheat (not over-hybridized like modern wheat) - the oldest in fact. Again, call the GEEK POLICE. But most people it appears buy 25 lbs of wheat berries per type of wheat and buy the 5-lb storage pails) so you see, I'm not so bad compared to them!!! ;) ;) ;)

I'm now seriously considering getting the meat grinder attachment package, though only because you have to get it in order to use their pasta press disks as well as the grater (for nuts, harder cheeses, chocolate, potatoes, things like that). But for $30 more - to get the entire meat grinder package - you also get more meat/food grinder disks (might be good for something like cranberry relish), the cookie press and the strainer/berry press. None of those sound too important so we'll see if I decide the $30 is worth it. You can make jams, jellies, apple sauce, purees etc. with the strainer but most jams and apple sauces don't require having to press anything first (seems unnecessary) and most of the cookies we like to make are either the drop kind or the rolled cookie cutter kind. In either case, it also comes with a sausage-stuffer which seems bizarre but could be interesting, should I somewhere down the line decide to make healthy chicken apple sausage or something like that. Hmmm...not likely.

Let me know how goes it!

Oh and P.S. - they raised the price of the mixers by $100.00!!! So they're now $800.00! I can't imagine why they had to raise it so much - do you have any idea?!! Still probably worth it but sheesh...

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Hi, I am new here but so thrilled I found you! I have been researching a new mixer and my head was spinning! Well for a long time read about the mixers here. Umm, a few hours ago, because of all the fabulous info and pics, I ordered a Ankarsrum in crème! It comes 2/5/14. SO excited but a bit nervous. I started using the Tangzhong method for bread 2 months ago. Learning curve there! But now have my own recipe for oatmeal wholemeal bread. It has taken off! Have 10 loafs ordered for Sunday, and 4 loafs for my family. Ok, the knead time using a KA45SS 1980 and my Mom's KA Classic...don't like the Classic as they down sized the head of the hook so dough crawls up over it...what a mess and is to light weight. One batch will make this hot while the old KA just warm but the knead time is 20-30 mins. Anyway, does anyone here use the Tangzhong method with the DXL or a wet dough? I have 10 loaves to do Sat. Nervous about the learning curve let alone with wet dough. I really need to know, does bread dough knead faster than a KA? Would love to hear from anyone who does work with the tangzhong method. I do not do the four rolls in a Pullman but use regular shaping in 9x5 bread pan.

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I usually make my bread about 90% hydration, only making 2 loaves at a time though. I knead in the DLX for about 10 minutes. It will handle more dough than that, of course. I don't know if I could knead for less time, and I'm not doing tangzhong.


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I have baked bread for 35 years but have had nothing but failure with those high hydration doughs (aka Tartine bread!). I just can't handle those sticky doughs- everything they touch, hands, bowls, rising basket - instant glue! I greatly admire you bakers that handle these difficult doughs easily!


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Just found this.

http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/32997/hokkaido-milk-bread-tangzhong

http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/34076/tangzhong-bread-machine

Here is a link that might be useful: The Fresh Loaf: Tangzhong and Ankarsrum

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Because of Theresse, the expensive mixer enabler, I have an Ankarsrum. This mixer is one of the best things that has ever happened to my kitchen and my family would hug her if they could! DH is even ok with the $$$ after getting all kinds of tasty treats that I never wanted to make by hand.

I regularly make Tangzhong-style bread because my kids love the texture. However, I usually only mix 1-2 loaves at a time because we only use it for their school lunches. DH and I don't eat a lot of wheat/gluten products because we love them TOO much. I knead it for around 18-20 minutes, no problem.

I've also done a double batch of baguette dough using AnnT's method (a riff on Julia Child's) which is fairly hydrated. Kneading is no problem.

High hydration is no problem for the Ankarsrum. Low hydration makes a lot of noise but it powers through just fine. You need to watch it and adjust the arm to accommodate the dough. High hydration could climb out and low hydration causes the roller to bang against the rim of the bowl. I routinely tighten it about an inch away for the kneading.

I've used it for tangzhong, cake, frosting, meatloaf, potatoes, baguette (pizza) dough. She's my kitchen goddess.


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I had to laugh when I read Theresse the enabler! It worked on me! It comes today!! (I must get to bed soon though! It is almost 1am and I am an early riser!).

Wow you folks are wonderful! All the quick response, finding links for me and the input has REALLY put me more at ease. I do NOT feel at all like I am going it alone on the new venture for a stand mixer after over 33+ years with my old KA! Thank each of you and Alex bless you for sharing your experience with Tangzhong.. I came up with my recipe for Tangzhong oatmeal wheat as I had stated before. The crumb is so moist, light and stays that way! I made last week buns from the dough for sloppy Josephs (ahem, we were being formal for guests! LOL) and EVERYONE loved them and still were moist to make sandwiches for my hubby's lunch box last one use 4 daus later . This Tangzhong makes all my different recipes for bread, buns and more so easy and slick! Ok, my first batch will be my regular 2 loaf for trial, and Alex I think understand about the arm. since at first the dough starts so dry but then changes to wet. Hmm, mine pulls away some but I still have dough mass down at the bottom of the KA bowl after 20-25 mins, but I can tell by touching when it is ready. It will be wonderful for the first 15 mins NOT to have to keep using a rubber spatula to scrape the sides of the bowl down specially when the soft butter has slowly been added after all the dry is hydrated but not much kneaded. Glad I read at the link from The Fresh Loaf, most make the mistake of to high of a speed.

Humbly and with appreciation! :)


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OH MY GOODNESS! Umm, I AM VERY excited to get my new DLX, I posted at 1am this morn it was coming today! Wrong! It is the 5th! I was thinking it was Wed. (the 5th)already!! Wishful thinking?? Brain burp? Feel like a kid waiting for Christmas morning! And at my age that feels pretty good actually! LOL!


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Mine was on backorder for almost a month. I went crazy waiting, so I know how you feel :)


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Oh my gracious! I can't imagine waiting a month! Wow! Anticipation plus!

I need to take my Mom for her blood work early... my DLX should arrive about 10:30-11:00 AM est. I have re-read everything, watched the films of it. It will get a work out! Hopefully bread tomorrow. I did yogurt today & soon to take my apple slices out of the dehydrator. Have a birthday cake do Friday, and need 10 loafs of bread by Sunday. Squeeze in my doc appt. Hmm, my goodness, think I am spinning like the DLX bowl! *;*


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You will love it.

The "learning curve" isn't that steep, despite it being mentioned often. You can see what's going on in there, so it's easy to adjust the arm or speed for the job. This is coming from someone who hadn't owned a mixer until now and isn't much of a baker.

The one thing I've noticed is that incorporating ingredients with the roller/scraper (my preferred attachment) isn't as quick as with beaters, especially with something like butter and sugar. BUT, if I leave it alone and quit fussing, it all ends up blended very nicely. I TRY to get my butter out very early so that it isn't cold, at all, when creaming.

Last week I made 3 cake recipes when trying to find the perfect one for my niece's homecoming from the Navy. Also made two different frostings in the plastic bowl with whisks. I loved not having to scrape anything down when using the roller! Sometimes I push the scraper into the bowl to help things along, but that's because I like to fuss with stuff ;)

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OH MY GOSH! UMM, IT CAME AND IS A DINGY YELLOW WITH A DULL TAUPE TRIM! WHAT IN THE WORLD??? I WAS SO DISMAYED. Panic! I so need this mixer NO later than Sat. Yea, I cried. But anyway, I called Amazon and explained. God is so good and so is Amazon! The rep took the charge off my card for that one, and they are going to send me the black chrome one at the next day rate free which means I get it today. Sent me the return label via email to return the yellow within seven days and the rep was so kind. I can't believe it.

And then another post about not much on the learning curve. I really don't believe there will be with ALL the gracious help I have found here. :) I will try to post a picture I took from cell phone of the yellow one then one of the black chrome when it comes. I have to learn how.


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Mine is the black chrome. It came the closest to matching a number of other appliances and looks good with my granite. DH chose it. The only other color I considered was mineral white as it usually sits on a white marble slab. Funny, because I have a very colorful kitchen and usually gravitate toward colorful things, but the online colors just weren't great for my kitchen. (Several would have worked, had I decided to leave it in the laundry room, however.) Right after we got ours, DH wanted me to make venison chili for visiting friends, but we had no ground venison. I used the Ankarsrum to grind the venison and it worked spectacularly! I felt like am auto mechanic putting it together. Really cool how everything fits and no way to screw it up. Well, maybe not like automobiles, now that I think about it. I think it's a pretty magnificent piece of engineering. You'll find it was worth the wait. Do report when you use it.


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It came half an hour ago, got it unpacked, washed out and dried and ready to do a double cake batch for decorated cake order. Oh my, the black chrome is SO beautiful. Looks wonderful in the kitchen. I have butcher block counters, black and chrome stove and dishwasher. (Both died in Dec in the middle of doing over 3000 cookies for Christmas orders! Stove was 1997, dishwasher was 1993). Kitchendectective I think it will complement any kitchen too! Alex I see you posted you used the roller for making your cake. Mine is from scratch. I am going to assume I add the wet ingredients and then the dry like for bread. Tomorrow, the frosting will be over 6 pounds worth. (Big sheet cake). It takes a pound of butter (very soft) and 1/2 a pound of shortening, heavy cream and 4 pounds of powdered sugar so a little leery of using it for the frosting. I have read where the beaters on the DLX can break easy. Wonder if I should just do the usual 1/2 batch at a time in my old KA using the paddle as 1/2 is a good 3 pounds. Any thoughts there? Ok off to make the cake!


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Just found this about the whisks. They came out as standard the heavier ones so now you do not have to buy them as extra for DLX. This was from The Fresh Loaf....post 12/13. :) http://www.thefreshloaf.com/node/36042/kitchen-aid-ksm7586psr-or-ankarsrumelectrolux-mixer

I just don't want to do anything wrong.


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The roller works great for everything. I whipped cream with it! That's what I used for the cake batter, which were also scratch recipes. Yes, I put in the liquids first then the dry.

I DID use the whisks to make the frosting, I just don't think your whole batch would fit in the plastic bowl. I did a small batch of butter cream and a larger batch of a roux based frosting. The whisks held up just fine, but my frosting wasn't thick.

The newer "cookie whisks" are for thicker batters and seem pretty sturdy. Just make sure you lock those whisks in with a "click".


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Update! I LOVE it!! Got it the afternoon of the 5th & immediately made in the big bowl of cake batter for 1/2 sheet cake using the roller. Breeze! Friday I made a double batch (4 loaves) of Tangzhong Oatmeal wheat bread. I did have at first the roller to far away from the bowl. I finally just let it loose then half way through moved to .5 inches away. Wow! Then I made over 8 pounds of my buttercream frosting. Did learn this, the pound & 1/2 of butter & 3/4 pound of shortening, salt, flavorings and cream; the roller did not cream quite well enough so I added 2 cups powdered sugar and then it was well creamed, then the total amount of 4 pounds. NICE! Quick! And the clean up no matter what I did was SO easy. With the KA, flour and powdered sugar dust was every where, had to wash down of course the whole mixer, wall and under the cabinet.) Even with the splatter guard that did not stop the dust from flying as careful as I was. AND so EXCITED! Saw in the book I can make butter! Can't wait for our raw grass fed cow's milk in April! I can do a quart of cream at a time! KA was a mess! Splattered, so had to throw a small bath towel over it or just do it in my blender a pint a time! Did I tell you I LOVE it? Looking forward to more adventures with my Ankarsum Assistant! Like now! Got oats soaking and Tangzhong cooling for 8 loaves of the Oatmeal wheat then 2 loaves white bread. Theressa (the pictures were very helpful to all who posted, I was so on the edge between a Bosch or this. Thank you for helping me to make the right decision for what I really needed. (Not putting down the Bosch and other mixers). It is so far VERY much worth the investment! Must get my yogurt on then the breads. Blessings!


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So glad to hear that it's what you needed!

Edited because I can't spell today!

This post was edited by alex9179 on Sat, Mar 8, 14 at 18:14


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Hi all, I have a question. I think this is ok but want to be sure. On the blade, I notice that as it is kneading the dough, dough builds up some behind the blade. I just use my small rubber spatula and keep pushing it back into the dough. It can't get any closer. It has done this for the tangzhong oatmeal wheat, wholemeal tangzhong, and the "Back of the Bag, Oatmeal Bread" from King Authur. Does anyone else have this? It really can't get any tighter, I mean it is the right slot and pressed right up against the bowl. Tangzhong is a stickier dough but the King Authur is not. Just wondered? Still LOVE it! Since Thursday the day I got it, I have made 17 loaves of bread, a 1/2 double layer sheet cake with the 8# of frosting. Wish I had had it YEARS ago!


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I have the same thing happen with sticky doughs. I haven't figured out the magic fix, yet. Still too much of a novice :)

You might call Pleasant Hill Grain for advice or ask on The Fresh Loaf, if someone here can't answer it.


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Nanabaker -

Just found all these more recent responses since the last time I was signed on.

The moment I read that you'd ordered "Cream" (or "creme") I thought UH OH - cause if you were liking the cream I got, I didn't get cream - I got the "light creme" which is a big difference. Not dingy at all. Just a pale, nice cream. And then sure enough, I soon saw your post about hating the cream and ordering the black! I'm glad you like the black though. I'm sure I would have loved that too, in my kitchen.

Haha I'm sorry I was such an enabler!! ;) It's great though isn't it? Still love mine, too. Actually I haven't baked in a while - I need to get back on it before my husband decides I was wasting our money on the mixer! It's harder to bake when the weather's warmer though (for me)!

I don't know if I wrote this or not - or if I even had it yet then - but I did finally break down and order the meat grinder package (comes with meat grinder, cookie press, pasta discs, berry press and grater). But I've YET TO USE IT! I really need to get with the program! I didn't need the meat grinder (can't imagine!) but it's necessary in order to be able to use all the other attachments, and it will make my grandma's cranberry relish quick and painless (though so does my food presser). But the main reason I got it was that I thought it would be fun to make homemade pasta, and all the other parts (cookie presses, grater, etc) came with those pasta discs for not much more - if memory serves - than if I'd bought the meat grinder and pasta discs alone. I don't really see the point in a berry press either, although maybe I will someday. Maybe for homemade tomato sauce?


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Hi Theresse, thank you for posting to me and yes I LOVE IT!!. There was no light crème offered on Amazon. Just the crème which is really the retro 'harvest gold' of the 70's and the picture did not reflect this. I LOVE the Chrome color!! I have a black & chrome stove and dishwasher and (hope it will be a long time yet) when our refrige goes, it will be the black and chrome and not cream). .

Anyhoo...I make bread at least 2-3 times a week. The learning curve was making sure to add my wet first! For my Tangzhong recipe took me time to develop it for my oatmeal wheat I wanted to create. I soak the oat, add the wheat flour, bread flour and salt mix autolase for 20 mins I leave out 1 cup of the flour to which I add yeast, brown sugar. Then. I add the 1 cup of mixture, when that is mixed I add the melted butter. The softest oatmeal wheat! I also do this for my Tangzhong white bread. The cakes for decorating using the roller as well and for my frosting to decorate them comes out wonderful. But to cream the butter, shortening and flavorings salt, I do add 1 cup powdered sugar to help it cream well. Then I add my cream and the rest of my powdered sugar. Does wonderful job on cookies using the roller and really creamy mashed potatoes. The beaters do wonderful for meringue and whip cream. Haven't used the dough hook yet. I use my DLX for making my butter too! I gave my 1979 Kitchen Aid to my daughter. Yup! Love my Anarskrum! I don't have any other attachments yet. If I want to do raisin filled cookies I can go use my KA as it does have the attachments and daughter lives close by.

I sure wish I had had this mixer YEARS ago!

Time to go make yogurt and bread. Take care!


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Hi again Nanabaker!

For the rest of you who are sick of this thread ("oh no - not that weird-named swedish mixer thread again!!"), I'm sorry...

That bread sounds reeeaally good. I've never heard of Tangzhong bread before. I use the white mixer bowl for making cake batter, pancake batter (if too lazy to do by hand), frosting and even for whipping up butter (I use the thicker whips for that). I've never tried using the roller for any of those things as far as I recall. I figured the cost of replacing the whips if need be - were I to break them - would be cheap enough that it would be worth it to really test them hard and see if they'll really hold up.

Tonight I finally brought out the meat grinder package which I'd never used before and made the BEST potato pancakes using one of the meat-grinder discs to 'grate' the potatoes! I wasn't sure it would work but since I didn't have the proper grater that comes with the shredder/slicer package or food-processor package (whatever it's called) I thought I'd see if I could use the meat grinder instead. Now I'm not sure I'll ever feel the need to get the shredder/slicer! ;) I mean slicing would be nice, e.g. if making potatoes au gratin or however it's spelled, but I'm not sure that attachment sliced things thick enough for my liking in the first place. They seemed very thin (?). Or maybe there are more than one and I just didn't notice a thicker option. On the other hand if I wanted a big block of cheese grated (and didn't already have a food processor), the shredder/slider package would be really useful.

I've used the dough hook and don't see why so many people say it's not worth using. It was great when I made an obnoxiously large amount of very thick dense dough. It's also gentle on the dough.

I haven't made bread in a long time and want to get back into it. I have these great bread-making books I've yet to read, and I've been slowly nursing back to life sourdough starter/wild yeast that I threw in the back of the fridge and neglected to "feed" for something like 5 or 6 months! I've only ever used it for making DELICIOUS sourdough pancakes and waffles. So I need to learn how to make proper sourdough or artisan type bread using actual sourdough starter! I even bought a Le Creuset dutch oven to bake it in on a high heat in order to give it a crunchy crust. Today the starter finally really bounced back to life, doubling in size and bubbling like crazy. Smells like bananas (!). I want to learn the basic formula for substituting sourdough starter for packaged dry yeast. Wish me luck!


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I have only used the meat grinder attachment and the metal dough hook. Your post interested me, since I "skipped stripe and went straight to plaid'" instead of trying the plastic bowl and plastic roller. I'm curious--what do people use to grate large amounts of soft cheese? I have been using a microplane, but the results are too fine and curly, not to mention that the hand processing is very time consuming.


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Hi Kitchendetective!

Do you like the dough hook? I really don't get why so many people say they don't use it. The roller's good for initial mixing of wet ingredients (though not necessary as frankly the dough hook still mixes things up just fine thanks to the spinning bowl and dough scraper).

What did you use the meat grinder attachment for? For actually grinding meat?

I think to grate large amounts of soft cheese, you'd have to invest in their slicer/shredder package or food processing package. Even then, you should always put your soft cheese in the freezer for a short while before grating - it makes it sooooo much easier. I may get that package someday though my real food processor (Cuisinart) does a perfectly fine job and very quickly the big bowl fills up. If I'm remembering correctly the Ankarsrum shredder/slicer grating attachment (drum?) shoots it out which might be a bit slower - though I could be wrong about that. I wish I could try it out. I do hate pulling out the big heavy Cuisinart.


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DH didn't want to get the Ankarsrum unless it could also grind meat for hamburgers, sausage, and meatballs. Conveniently, there was a package for grinding meat and filling sausage casings, LOL! I used the meat grinder for grinding venison during the winter, as well as for a bit of chuck. In fact, I actually used this attachment before I used the dough hook, because DH wanted to serve venison chili to an out of town guest and all I had was venison steak. It worked superbly. Then, the dough hook was enlisted for all my bread experiments until about a month ago, when I started kneading it all by hand. This change may be attributable to my having read a couple of artisanal bakers' books--they said to do it all by hand to get the feel of the various stages of the starters and bigas and levains and doughs, etc. Result: my cuticles look like hell and I am in desperate need of regular manicures, which I do not get. When I used the steel hook, it worked well. There was an occasional "climb up," but it was never bothersome. I don't even think that I added ingredients in the correct order. (The CD wasn't clear about details. Seemed to be more about the Swedish couple getting ready for work in the morning.) However, I think I did a bit of over mixing. Mea culpa. I'm still not happy with the size of the bread holes--sometimes they are large, sometimes they are not. (Flavor-wise, I like really sour pain de campagne the best, so far, but I've only done that one by hand, not with the Ankarsrum.) I wonder if enlisting the plastic roller would help with the over mixing issue?

So, when you use the Cuisinart, which blade or disc do you use?


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I don't use the cuisinart for much - mostly for shredding cheese, in which case I use the shredder disc. I've also used it to make cranberry relish and other things that need to be chopped, and also pie doughs. I should probably get in the habit of using it or chopping onions. I don't know why I don't think of that often enough - I guess cause it's a PITA to take it out since it's not already on the counter. I may break down and get the food processing attachment for the mixer, but first I think I'll try using the meat grinder to chop onions. If that works - and I think it will - that'll be such a time saver! In fact I may just leave the meat-grinder attachment on it permanently since I probably would use that a bit more often than I use the mixer for bread.

I too have been reading the mix-bread-by-hand/no-knead books. I've been experimenting with that but also will try to figure out just the right method to imitate that with the mixer. That said, there's so little to mix, it may not even be worth having to clean the bowl! But at least my hands would be clean! I think if any mixer can be as gentle on dough as real hands, it would be this one, don't you? I assumed the hook would be more gentle (on low speed) than the roller but I could be wrong. I think the mixer with roller would be good for initial incorporating of flour and water for autolysing (as long as slow speed and not too much) and then it could be left in the bowl for the period of time required - with lid on - before adding the yeast and salt. But I think once that's added (re. Ken Forkish method), it should be gently stretched and folded - not mixed in the mixer at all.

UNLESS you did what I did the other day (oops) which was misunderstand the semi-followed youtube recipe by Ken Forkish and add a cup or two of sourdough starter onto the autolysed dough instead of dry yeast as he wanted! So then it wouldn't mix well at all. The dough post-starter became the consistency of long ropes and the fluid just wouldn't mix in! But oddly, after attempting a few times over several hours (and leaving the shaped loaves in the fridge for about 12 hours), the loaves turned out amazingly perfect and with big open crumb holes!

Are you reading Ken Forkish's book, Flour Water Salt Yeast or whatever it's called? I want to ask someone a question. I want to know if it matters how thick or how runny sourdough starter is when using it as his only form of yeast in one of his levain recipes. It seems that would matter but I don't know. I just don't want to make my starter exactly like he makes his because he uses way too much flour compared to everyone else...either that or I'm misunderstanding what I'm reading. Most people use about the same amount of flour as they do starter when they refresh it, or else at the most, about twice the amount of flour per starter, and then less water. He uses 4x as much flour! Anyway, I like his book but it also makes me feel stupid.


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