You guys must try https://www.storesonlinepro.com/store/1818384/?sitecookie=8e6f069988792b3c5c0feff58737a10a I'm sure some of you know them as being squaw mountain gardens..,not sure if this is just a branch or if they changed completely. I've ordered six times in two years and am always happy with my plants. Prices are $3.75 per named semp and $.40 per un-named cutting. I can also pay $3.60 for "growers choice" with name labels and get no less than 4 named semps...one each. The orders come in paper lunch sacks, bare root with a name tag inside, each order gets about 4-5 medium size semps. (1-2") and at Keats 3 of mine have always had chicks growing. I counted my pot of nouveau pastel just for a guide...I planted it two weeks ago right out of my bag and have 4 2" hens....one 1" and each hen has TONS of chicks. One side from my seat I can loosely count 19...so u get your money's worth. I've bought from eBay....I usually pay $5 for ONE small semp and then shipping....or even if I'm lucky to get a $3.99 lot of four I still have higher shippig than cost of plant :/ smg has a $4.95 had leone charge and then ur ship pinch ages with size if order. My last order had 12 named semps...40 cuttings and 3 sedums. $7.40 shipping. So not bad.

First of all you are asking people hundreds and thousands of miles away from you who you can get to help you in your area. Everyone wants to help, If I could I would drop everything now and come to your rescue. I had the same problem with my daughters pond around Christmas. We took all the fish and frogs out of the pond, put them into a clean large trash can, completely emptied her pond washed it out, refilled it, cleaned the filters, put the fish back in and added some salt and her fish recovered. She only lost a few. Of course they aren't Koi. It really didn't take that long to fix it. Maybe you could ask around any place locally that has fish, maybe put some messages on bulliten boards in Petsmart, Wal Mart "Oops, forgot you don't have many Wal Marts there." Maybe Petco or Lawn and Garden Stores.

All this stuff is very confusing for sure if you treat opinion as anything other than that, opinion. In my opinion air planes can't fly. If you happen to share that opinion you're likely to consider the opinion to be useful, and true, maybe a fact. However opinions don't change anything. Air planes still fly whether we believe they can or not. 7 billion people in the world = 7 billion opinions and many of those will change their opinion minute by minute. Trying to make sense of opinions will drive you crazy. Contradictory...you betcha. If you choose to listen to opinion as being anything other than random thoughts, tiny bits of stuff glued together to sound logical, you will indeed become very confused and spend a lot of time learning what? Other people's opinions. On the other hand, if you limit your research to actual test data, like the great post by drh1and a little bit of basic understanding there will be much less confusion and all this stuff gets way, way easier. Even simple. We can choose to make this all very confusing or not. I'll add one thing to the Rid-X post by drh1. At least one state attorney that started to go after Rid-X for fraud. The case got dropped because it isn't that big a fraud and lots of people "believe" it works and Rid-X agreed to dial back claims. By basic understanding I don't just mean science. Understanding people is a skill you probably already have. Ask yourself, is any bacteria in a bottle manufacturer required by law to disclose what is inside the bottle? No. If I take a clean bottle and screw on a cap is there bacteria in the bottle? Yes. Can I legally sell that as a product people can add to their pond or whatever to "add bacteria" to "jump start up cleaning" to "help clean"? You betcha. Will 20%, 50% of people using my product believe it works? Of course. Why? Because it's impossible to tell if it works or doesn't work. "Well, there's still a lot of crap in my pond but way less thanks to me being smart and adding the bacteria." There is no way to tell by looking at a pond. But that will not stop people from having an opinion. Obviously selling air in a bottle isn't going to be a big seller. So they put dirty water in a bottle. Dirty water is full of bacteria, microbes, enzymes and other cool sounding words people like to hear. That sells. And is perfectly legal. Where Rid-X got into trouble was making claims on how effective their product is. Saying stuff like "makes your septic system last 2 times longer" gets you into trouble because that's something that can be proven false. If you read current Rid-X ads and looked carefully you you see they make no claims any more. They only imply claims. "Sepic systems can cost $6000 dollars while Rid-X only costs $6." Most people will assume they're saying Rid-X will save you $5994. It really is just 2 separate facts in the same sentence. Both true separately. That's legal. If Rid-X could show their product did anything helpful they sure as heck wouldn't have to resort to these marketing tricks. They'd be flashing independent reports and handing out grants for more studies all over the place. Their business would become huge. But when a product doesn't work you can't do that. My web page on bacteria in a bottle I posted back in 2002.

I wouldn't have put on the end of the question 'or am I nuts' as obviously we are going to respond by saying 'as far as we know you have always been nuts' lol. I like them as they are and have seen them planted up. If you wanted them deeper I presume that it is because you want to put larger plants in them so needing the extra depth. Is another idea of making the bays taller an option rather than digging down back to the liner? I know you will decide yourself anyway and as you like a challenge I am sure as we 'watch this space' we will see what you decide. Alison