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Paula Deen

Posted by teresa_mn (My Page) on
Sat, Jun 22, 13 at 13:59

Watching CNN over the last two days I could not help but notice that Paula Deen has been in the news in a big way. And now the Food Network has cancelled her show. I take that to mean her current show.

I have seen Paula's name mentioned at this forum before. I love southern cooking even though I don't do much of it myself. My best friend Loretta is married to a man from Mississippi. I eat at their house often and get my fill of southern food. Peach Bourban bread pudding is one of her delicious specialties. And I don't usually eat desserts much less make them.

A couple of things come to mind. First I am glad the network took a strong stand. In our global world intolerance should not be acceptable.

However, after the trial is out of the news will her current show turn up in re-runs? Will the FN still continue to run her two previous shows in re-runs as they are doing now? She has been a popular cook and contributor to the rise of the Food Newwork and the popularity of cooking shows. While her past behavior is not acceptable, in my opinion the current revelation in the news does not diminish her contributions to the world of cooking.

I did buy some of her cookware at Walmart for a family I sponsored for Christmas. I was impressed at the quality for the price. I wonder how far this scandal will go with regard to her other lines of business.

Have any of you tried Paula's recipes? Any thoughts on the situation?


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RE: Paula Deen

As soon as I heard the news about Paula Deen's deposition a couple of days ago, I said to DH, "The Food Network must be renegotiating her contract and her price is too high." And then yesterday, I read that she was fired by the Food Network and also that her current contract with them expires at the end of next month. That colors my view of the nobility of the FN.

I've not watched her show nor read any of her cookbooks so I don't have any knowledge of her cooking other than hearing that she uses a lot of butter.


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I've also wondered if it's just the current show being canceled,
And whether or not the older shows will continue as reruns.
Without reruns there would be an awful lot of empty time slots!
Unless, of course they just show the other reruns twice as often.

Ruthanna, you may have a point there.

I've tried a number of her recipes,
And we have always liked those I've tried.
I also have 2 or 3 of her cookbooks.
As a cookbook collector,
How could I NOT have at least one? ? :>)

As for her cookware, I've not tried any of it.
There were a few pieces I sort of would have liked to have,
But the price didn't fit my budget,
And the colors didn't fit my kitchen.

I've noticed the Walmart here almost halved the prices.
And their stock of it has been really really low
For over a year now.
So it seems it's being phased out.
Whether because of the price, the colors or the quality,
I have no idea.

I was curious about the quality,
How it would hold up, etc.
I seriously doubt I'll ever try it, tough.
I really REALLY don't like the colors!

True, intolerance should not be acceptable in today's world.
I have been under the impression that her 'gaf'
Was in the rather distant past, though.
Probably before it became such an issue.
(correct me if I'm wrong on that)
So I am wondering if it is really 'fair'
to make such an issue of it now?
It's been brought up,
she's been brought to task for it,
Now let the past stay in the past.

Rusty


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Knee-jerk reaction necessitated by our uber-PC, sensitive society. They didn't have a choice. Hopefully the truth of the situation will come out and the future of her career will fall into place accordingly. She wouldn't be the first to be rehired after a scandal - think Robert Irvine.

If she really created a hostile work environment due to prejudices, then she deserves to crash and burn IMO. But if her worst offense is uttering a degrading word here and there in her lifetime, then I'm more offended by her abuse of butter and licking of fingers. I don't care who you are but if you've never had a thought or uttered a slur towards someone's ethnicity, religion, or sexual orientation then you're a better person than I. And I like to consider myself very accepting of all of the above.

I'm more interested in TWA flight 800. That one never sat well with me.

(editing to clarify - my flight 800 comment was due to the fact that CNN was on in the background and that's the other thing I'm hearing too much of. Oh, and North West.)

This post was edited by foodonastump on Sat, Jun 22, 13 at 17:03


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I have made some of her recipes and have liked all of the ones that I have tried, although I do occasionally reduce the amount of butter, especially in the grits recipe that I continue to make.

I sort of agree that the past should be the past and that people should be given second chances and offered forgiveness if they are shown to be contrite. I personally do not hold grudges against people that I think have wronged me, and I am not vindictive in nature, but a lot of people are and a lot of people think revenge is justified and necessary. A compassionate person would be forgiving, and I do think that a lot of people are willing to forgive her.

I have some Paula Deen spoons that Annie gave me, and I love using them. They are made of olive wood, I think, and are very beautiful.

I am not much of a supporter of the Food Network - it lacks sophistication and is not cosmopolitan by any stretch of the imagination. I almost never watch FN, however, except for Paula Deen's show, and so now I guess I will watch it even less.


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She's demonstrated some rather odd views recently, so this isn't all in the deep past.

I can't stand her voice, just drives me up the wall.

Here is a link that might be useful: Some other comments from Paula


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Sushipup - I watched the shorter link of the two you posted. Thanks for posting those. I am working outside today and may have time to watch the longer video later.

From what I viewed, while her views may come across odd, they do not seem malicious. She is a product of her time and locale. I say that having experienced something similar to what she said in the video. When I was a flight attendant I dated someone who lived in NOLA. My first visit I stayed at his parents home. His mother addressed me at dinner with the words "you Northerners think we treat our nigras bad. That is not true and never was. Slaves were treated just like family members." I did not know what to say except "I had not given it any thought." I went on to become great friends with Nathalie - strange views and all. :-)

There have been people coming out on Paula's behalf today including one African American minister. He said she has contributed so much to the youth programs at his church. He said she is the furthest thing from a racist that he can imagine.

So I think Ruthanna is partially right thinking contract negotiations may play a large role in this firing.

Teresa


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My opinion of Paula Deen was coloured after I read her testimony. I don't blame FN for severing their relationship with her.

~Ann

Here is a link that might be useful: Deposition


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It is interesting to read what got Jimmy Snyder (Jimmy The Greek) fired by CBS, even in 1988.

I have my opinions about this Paula Deen controversy, but I will keep them to myself.

dcarch


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Wanting to have only black waiters at her brothers wedding "southern plantation style" turned my stomach.


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I've tried a couple of her recipes and didn't care for them, others sounded good but were far too rich to be anything other than special occasion meal additions. I don't have any of her cookbooks and the only merchandise I purchased were the spoons for Lars because I liked the grain of the wood, the choice had nothing to do with Paula Deen, good or bad. I did see her night time show, "Paula's Party" back when I had TV, but I couldn't stand watching her constantly licking her guests or cramming her mouth so full she couldn't chew/swallow/talk so I stopped watching.

I was shaking my head when she didn't talk about her diabetes until she had a lucrative drug contract for a diabetes drug, a couple of years after diagnosis, but she's a business woman and I suppose that's her business model.

So, since I didn't care for her show, her recipes or her business model and I don't watch Food Network, the cancellation means little or nothing to me. However, as mentioned, if she created or promoted a hostile work environment through her racism, or mistreated her employees, or allowed or encouraged others to do so, then she deserves to crash and burn in a spectacular way.

I know other public figures have made racist or sexist comments publicly (or private and had them become known) and have lost jobs, political connections and/or appointments for it, I don't think this is any different. You can't make a person change their way of thinking but we don't have to promote it either.

Annie


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I read about 1/3 of the deposition and it mainly pertained to her brother's actions, not hers. I'll read the rest later, but she didn't seem to be aware of her brother's comments and she was expected to answer hearsay questions. So how can the Food Network fire her for nothing - because she used the "N" word in 1980 when she worked at a bank that was being robbed and had a gun pointed to her head, and she may have said the "N" word in the privacy of her home to her husband? She has been the most charitable person of any of the people who have cook shows on Food TV and other celebrities - having donated food to food pantries across the country with the Helping Hungry Homes program, sponsoring blood drives for the Red Cross, and countless other programs to help the poor and our youth. She actually fired a manager of one of her restaurants because of accusations of him using sexual innuendos, so how does that mean she condones it? She hired this Lisa Jackson who is now suing her to take the place as General Manager after firing the other man. Lisa Jackson was also the first female General Manager hired by the Deen restaurants, and she made more money that Paula's own brother. So after working 5 years as the first female General Manager and making more money than one of the partners in the business, she first now decided to bring out these accusations? I am having a real hard time understanding how any of this is reason to fire Paula from the Network. It hasn't even gone to trial and they are taking the stance that she is guilty of being racist? She is a far cry from being racist and it bugs me to no end that the media and food network is destroying her based on saying the "N" word back in 1980 when the black man committed armed robbery and put a gun her head. That was over 30 years ago! Can you imagine her frame of mind at that time too? Sounds to me that Lisa Jackson is just out to make a few million dollars in hopes of a settlement. And as to the southern plantation type wedding she wanted for her brother, Paula even told Lisa that the media would misinterpret what she wanted, so she didn't go forward with the idea of course. Paula said "I remember telling them about a restaurant that my husband and I had recently visited. And I’m wanting to think it was in Tennessee or North Carolina or somewhere, and it was so impressive. The whole entire wait staff was middle-aged black men, and they had on beautiful white jackets with a black bow tie. I mean, it was really impressive. And I remember saying I would love to have servers like that, I said, but I would be afraid somebody would misinterpret." Did anybody go to that restaurant to shut them down because their manager was being racist by hiring all black middle aged men?

Sorry for ranting, but I just wish people would wait for the real truth before wanting Paula Deen to lose everything she worked hard for, along with making the Food Network what they are today.


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Well their family kinda got greedy .everybody was getting in on it.I think some was her ratings Im sorry but I cannot take that woman.she was so quiet years ago then all of a sudden shed miss pronounce words and that slang she dreamed up made me sick.She didnt have that when she started.I think shes fake.I stopped watching her.This is my opinion..


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Thanks, AnnT. for posting the deposition.


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You are welcome Westsider.

~Ann


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Very well said, Blizlady.

It is a sorry aspect of today's society
That so many people seem to be standing by
Just looking for some innocent comment
that they can twist all out of proportion,
And then start hollering "racist'.

And I agree with Paula in the video
where she says that everyone has some bit of racism,
That some blacks are just as prejudiced against whites,
As some whites are against blacks.

Rusty


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Rusty, that is true, racism is not confined to one race, but it doesn't make it right.

When a person puts themselves in the public eye, such as politicians, actors, singers, celebrities, they make a living by having people watch them. Their statements are going to be noticed far more than a statement made by someone like you or I. If you make a living getting people to watch you, you'd better be careful because they will be watching you.

Additionally, if she created a hostile work environment through her behavior, that adds to the injury. Being racist isn't illegal, although it's backward and hateful, but using a position of authority and compromising the work place is. Whether she did or did not do that remains to be decided by a court, but it cannot be explained away by "I'm southern", or "I'm 60" or "Everyone does it", which are the excuses I seem to hear so far.

Annie


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Annie, read the dep. It appears that racist/sexist claims are being made against her brother, not her. And then, by extension.


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To be honest, I have never even ONCE watched a Paula Deen show...she gives me a pain I can't locate! I do own a cast iron dutch oven with her name on it though...HAHA! Only because it was cheap and I wanted a CI dutch oven. I'm from Texas and I cannot even stand to hear her speak. Racism is alive and well in all races and religions.


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We live in an era of selective outrage.

If Paula Deen gets ostracized for some intemperate remarks made thirty years ago, then let's be consistent:

Jesse Jackson should never be listened to again after referring to NYC as 'Hymietown'.

Al Sharpton should be shunned for his role in the Tawana Brawley hoax and the (literally) incendiary remarks which caused the death of seven people when he referred to the owner of Freddie's Fashion Mart as a 'white interloper'.

Louis Farrakhan should be shunned for just about everything he says, but pick any speech: there's enough hate and anti-Semitism for a lifetime ban in any one of them.

Anybody want to bet these figures will be held to the same standard as Ms. Deen?


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"Anybody want to bet these figures will be held to the same standard as Ms. Deen?"

They all are. None have shows on the Food Network.


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Then I guess the Food Network has higher standards than MSNBC.


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Don't think Food network had any other choice?!?

I enjoy PD's show when there was only ONE! Haven't made many of her recipes, but will KEEP her grandmother's pound cake... delicious!


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There's just so much phony posturing these days about alleged slights and offenses. I'm tired of the theater.

Watching 'Austin City Limits' a while back with Randy Newman on it; he asked for requests from the audience and someone called out 'Rednecks'. If you aren't familiar with that song, it uses racist terminology to decry racism itself, and does so rather powerfully. Newman simply said, 'I don't think I can perform that any more. Do you?'

Similarly, every year or two, someone will take 'Huckleberry Finn' and denounce it as racist because the n-word occurs in it with some frequency--even though it was, and remains, a powerful argument for equality and common humanity. I'm tired of the posers, the posturers, the inflamers, the hustlers, and I'm tired of our society and our media for NOT calling them on it.


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Paula Deen has always made my skin crawl. I turned off her show as fast as I could and never owned one of cookbooks. Still I was subjected to her when she did a guest stint on some show (presuming the remote was out of reach).

In a country plagued with obesity, she was the Devil incarnate. Obesity is more prevalent in the South and she had that wink-wink nudge-nudge attitude that said "oh go ahead and stuff ten thousand calories in your mouth every day. That's what we Southerners do."

I saw her promote a burger on a glazed doughnut, topped with an egg and bacon. It should have come with a free casket, and as I recall, the guest in that segment was an African American woman. That's why she should be banned, not only for racism.

I think our society is going off the deep end with rampant PCism, but where do you draw the line? In this case it is better to err on the side of intolerance, IMHO. For those of us who are older, we might all find ourselves banned for things we said in the far distant past.


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Back on topic:

I don't have cable to watch her shows. I have seen a few on youtube.

I think there are many people who enjoys her, that's why the Foodnetwork has her on. I think most people view her as entertainment, not as a great chef whose recipes, cooking skills impress them.

I cannot believe that those who watch her shows actually will go and get themselves a couple of glazed donuts to make a hamburger.

dcarch


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I can't imagine anything more racist than thinking people's skin color requires them to have certain opinions.

This post was edited by cloudy_christine on Sun, Jun 23, 13 at 13:34


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Correction to my original post: According to the Food Network, Ms. Deen's contract with them was set to expire at the end of June 2013, not July as I originally reported. With the corrected date, I find it even more unusual that it had not already been renewed by the time of her deposition.


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Not here to defend anyone or to justify any action.

I think there are differences in terminologies used here:

Racists (as in KKK?)

Bigots (as Archie Bunker?)

Prejudiced (Watch out, XXXXXXx tend to commit crimes)

Biased ( Don't hire XXXXXX, they have too many holidays)

Insensitive (So, a Jew, a Chinese and an Irish went into a bar and -------)

Etc.

dcarch

This post was edited by dcarch on Sun, Jun 23, 13 at 14:39


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Hmm.. Well, this has been going on for several years. I think it was about two years ago when I spent quite a bit of time reading the transcript of the allegations against both Paula Deen, Bubba and also her sons. Yes, much of it was by Lisa Jackson, but there were other employees and former employees. Ms. Jackson filed her suit after many years of the alleged racist and sexist behaviors. I did notice in this recent Paula Deen transcript that any time she mentions Ms. Jackson there is a negative crack made about her along with the answer. They've had a long time to decide how they're going to answer the possible questions as is evident from when her attorneys jump in to let her finish her answers.

After reading that first transcript I haven't been able to watch Paula Deen without remembering the charges. Several people have said that Paula grew up in the era of much open prejudice as though that would be an excuse. She also grew up in the midst of the fight for equality. She could have chosen to change but even with the flip answers in her recent testimony, she seems to be defending. Yes, she denies but she also defends. It's been sixty years and then some since the fight for racial equality became mainstream.

Does Lisa Jackson's word hold more weight than Paula Deens? It at least deserves as much consideration.


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Ann, thanks for the link to the deposition. I skimmed parts of it but I have not had time to read much of it. I have been too busy with yard stuff this weekend.

I agree with Annie, Ann and others. If the Food Network felt it necessary to terminate their relationship that is their right. It is their business and I am sure they have a valid reason. Businesses make similar decisions everyday of the week - albeit out of the spotlight. And in everyday life people are asked to leave if their behavior is out of line. People are fired or given the strong suggestion to retire early as what happened to someone where I work. People are banned from participation at public events - this happened recently at a public high school two blocks from me.

A father was banned from sporting events that his daughter and two sons participate in. The reason - he was constantly disruptive, rude to people, starting fights with other parents and out to prove he and his kids were superior to everyone else. The school made the decision to ban him even though he had a strong group of supporters. Only after the matter hit the local news did the full extent of the situation become apparent.

So there is probably more to this than is apparent at the moment. If Paula is convicted of the charges then she deserves the punishment given her. It seems many would like to see her burned at the stake. I for one am glad that punishment is no longer a part of the American judicial system.

Back OT - I've never watched one of Paula's shows. But I have seen her on The View and The Chew. I don't own any of her cookbooks and my style of cooking is different than hers. Her food appears to be extremely rich; to be enjoyed on occasion. Like my friend Loretta's Mississippi Peach Bread Pudding with Bourban Sauce.

Teresa


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Coconut, I agree with you.

Paula seems to be in denial when it comes to anything to do with her brother. Apparently Bubba can do no wrong. Even suggesting that it wasn't him that had a drug and alcohol problem and that when he went for treatment it wasn't for himself but for his wife.

And I find it hard to believe that anyone can justify the use of the N word from 30 years ago. It might have been acceptable 60 years ago but certainly not 30 years ago.

~Ann


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Well Im 58, yes the N word they said a lot on tv ,my parents etc but
I know Now you just don't say that...


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I agree, Ann, I graduated from high school in 1973, which was FORTY years ago, and it was completely unacceptable then.

Sushi, I did read as much of the deposition as I could stomach, but the tone is the same through out all that I read. If she created a hostile work environment through her behavior or allowed those under her control/supervision to do so (like her brother Bubba), she has violated federal labor law.

As a Native American I've faced some of my own issues regarding pre-conceived notions about specific races, and there is no excuse for it. Ever.

Annie


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I think it all comes back to a deep seated respect for all people, regardless of race. Many understand that without being told the correct way to behave.
My parents were raised in the South and while their parents were racist, they are not and I never heard the n word or anything less than respect from them for all types of people. Behavior, ie, kind, nice, criminal, snobby, mean, etc. was what made them like/dislike a person.


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My hang-up with Paula Deen is purely personal ----- I really do not like the way she presented herself as a southern, modern(?) woman. I have cringed at her laugh and her tone of voice and yes, Pam, she makes my skin crawl. At first I admired her work ethic as a young single mother raising two sons - I can identify with that. But the more a "celebrity" she became the more she became crass, loud, and obnoxious, IMO. I began to ask, doesn't she have any dignity, decency, and manners.

I don't think I have made any of her sugar/fat laden recipes and I won't miss her or her "y'alls" that sounded fake to me. (Many of us from the South don't feel the need to throw in a "y'all" every other word we utter.)

Teresa, the one from North Carolina


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Work conditions are a separate issue. The use of the "n" word is what is being judged in the social media and, for the most part, here.

Do you think other Food Network employees are now quaking in their boots because someone, anyone with an agenda, or even a legitimate complaint, may query whether you've used a racial slur in the past, oh thirty years. Because that has now become the litmus test for employment. Seriously disconcerting.

Of course, if the Food Network were really interested in promoting racial sensitivity/equality, they should ask all employees if they ever have told a joke, story, etc., that used ethnicity as a means for humor. Or better yet, when presented, have they stopped others from using racially, ethnically, sexually insensitive language. It would seem it is now a condition of employment.

Cathy in SWPA


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and I will say again.
Mrs Deen grew up in the very racist south.
Whatever she said 30+ years ago is ridiculous to bring up.

Shame on Food Network for firing her.


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I really appreciate how you folks who have never done anything wrong are so hell bent to find fault with the Dean family. Poor Paula is worth around $17 million. People line up for two blocks to dine at her restaurant in Savannah. Of course, everyone knows we Texans never use "insensitive language". Have always thought there are two types of people, Southerners, and those who wish they were.


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I've done lots of things wrong. As I mentioned, however, I don't make my living by getting people to watch me. If you do that, you'd better keep your nose clean because people will watch you.

The lawsuit, as I understand it, isn't over the use of racial slurs, although that's one of the issues discussed here and in the media. It's over creating a hostile work environment because of racist attitudes. So, whether or not she used a racially insensitive word or phrase isn't really the legal issue, although it may be a moral issue. The issue is that her racist behavior created a hostile work environment, and it wasn't just racial, it was also sexual. She knew it was going on and she let it continue and/or condoned it, according to the complaint. If that's true, she deserves what she gets.

However, who Food Network contracts with is their own business. I'm sure this latest issue didn't help her reputation, especially since she'd already created much hate and discontent over the diabetes issue. She had been getting more and more outrageous as she became more well known, and I think she was just garnering too many complaints. Her nighttime show bordered on adult entertainment much of the time. In addition, I think the fact that the contract expires in a month and hadn't already been renewed speaks volumes, her employment there was already tenuous, probably, and the contract under "negotiation" or it would have been renewed further in advance.

At any rate, I don't know what in the world the Food Network has to be ashamed of. They made Paula Deen famous, spawned a myriad of spin-off products from ham to cookware, provided advertisement for her restaurant and employment for her sons along with appearances by her husband, her brother, her ex-husband and numerous others. I'm sure they were all well compensated for their time.

Annie


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Customers lining up yesterday to eat in Deen's restaurant.

Also note the sizes of some of the diners who enjoy Deen's cuisine . :-)

dcarch

Here is a link that might be useful: Queen Deen, Doomed?

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Wow, I didn't know Paula grew up during the civil war era in the good old days with slaves.

Truly stunned by her casual defense of her racism and in reading her depositions, clearly views she holds today. Can't believe the defence of this is a southern thing? Blaming the person/persons offended is disgraceful and telling.

I know chefs that have worked with her on special events and now her true colors are out for all to see. Want to know a class act? Emiril. Bring him back but FN is just a side show now anyway.

What a narrow view of the world.

She lost me when she associated with Smithfield, then the diabetes deal and now this.


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dcarch...I don't know where you live, but the size of the diners pretty much represents to size of people that live over here in Ohio. It is sad how obese our population has become, but it has nothing to do with eating at Paul's restaurant. Go to the grocery store on any given day and most of the customers are extremely over weight. It's just what has happened to people everywhere. Too much food and not enough activity...does it to anyone!


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I agree with Annie. This lawsuit isn't about Paula's 30 year old comment. It's about today's hostile work environment in Bubba's Seafood caused by racial slurs/jokes and sexual innuendos/pornography in the workplace. I read Paula's deposition twice and was surprised by her casual attitude concerning the charges. I was left with the feeling Paula didn't see a problem. I'll let the legal system pass judgment on Paula but I will say she was extremely ill prepared by counsel for that deposition. And that "apology" youtube video is now evidence so she was also ill advised by her PR people although I've read that they quit in disgust after her diabetes debacle and haven't been replaced (?).

Regarding Paula's FoodTV contract - even if the contract expiring the end of this month had already been renegotiated there's no doubt a morality clause that gives FN an easy way out. Those clauses are written very broadly for a reason. I'll bet her endorsement contracts go the same way as FN. Paula's reputation is damaged by her own deposition. Nobody to blame except Paula.

What I'm curious about is Smithfield Ham. Now that the Chinese are purchasing the company, I wonder how they will react to such an issue considering China's issues with human rights? Probably a good thing this is happening now before the sale is finalized.

I've heard she's going to start damage control Wednesday on Today. Better late than never...

/tricia


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Just heard that QVC is "reviewing" their situation with Paula. They stressed they do not tolerate discrimination in any form and have NO plans to have her on-air. Hard to make a statement like that and then keep her around for long. I'm sure counsel is working on it...will probably exercise another one of those morality clauses.

/tricia


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".I don't know where you live, but the size of the diners pretty much represents to size of people that live over here in Ohio."

Here in S Texas. too.

Rusty


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Here in NYC, it is bad enough that our wonderful Mayor Michael Bloomberg was try hard to pass a law to ban large size soda in concessions.

dcarch


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Smithfield Hams just canned Paula.

Here is a link that might be useful: Canned ham


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The Paula Deen situation doesn't seem to have had much, if any, effect with investors in the stock of the Food Network's parent company.


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  • Posted by triciae Zone 7 Coastal SE CT (My Page) on
    Mon, Jun 24, 13 at 16:46

Thanks sushipup. I'd been curious about Smithfield because of that companies' sale to China.

No reason why it would, Ruthanna. FN did the right thing quickly. Stop the damage before it can affect the network.

/t

Edited for punctuation.

This post was edited by triciae on Mon, Jun 24, 13 at 16:47


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dcarch, that's quite a revealing photo. I have no feeling for Paula Deen either way, but I was in charming Savannah last month for the first time and had quite an enjoyable meal in her restaurant. It seemed to us that the vast majority of people there were out-of-town tourists. I thought the attached shop, however, full of cheap "Paula Deen" stuff, was tacky. She may have overstayed her time in the spotlight.

I wouldn't hold one racial slur in a time of stress against anybody. But it appears there's a more complicated history here of verbal abuses and behavior. And really, really bad publicist work: those video taped apologies certainly hurt her case.


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Never liked her, her affected accent or her food. Was truly disgusted with her hypocrisy with regard to Type 2 diabetes.

No idea if these charges are warranted or not but I'm glad to see her gone....now if they could just figure out a way to dump Jamie Oliver


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I'm beginning to change my view of her as I learn more, but I would also like to know more about her accuser, Lisa Jackson - she may or may not be believable, unlike Anita Hill, who was completely believable and forthcoming despite being virtually ineffective. I'm still upset that Clarence Thomas was confirmed despite overwhelming evidence of his sexual harassment of Anita Hill. I have a feeling that Lisa Jackson is no Anita Hill and has an agenda of her own that may not be above suspicion.

One of the reasons I liked Paula was having seen her on the Kathy Griffin Show, as Kathy would not be the type to have a bigot on her show. A friend of mine at work said that Paula and Oprah are friends and that Paula might end up on the OWN network, at least for an interview, and so I will look forward to that.

What did change my mind about Paula was reading about the tap dancers that she wanted for her brother's wedding. It reminded me about the horrible stereotypes I heard about gay men on Moms Mabley records (from the 60s & 70s) that I had originally bought to give to my father. When I heard Moms make degrading jokes about gay men (calling them an "f" word), I wanted to destroy the records, and so I can relate to how damaging thoughtless jokes can be to those whom they degrade. My father was an "Archie Bunker" type bigot and tried to make me into one, but even as a child in the 50s growing up with segregrated schools, train stations, restrooms, and water fountains, I could see that bigotry made no sense and never believed or followed it. At one point my father told me I had too many Chicano friends and should have more white friends, but I told him that I chose my friends because of their character and that I did not care what color they were. The Chicanos where I grew up were largely Native American (mostly Comanche, I think), and were therefore very dark. I never went to school with blacks, as they were bussed to a different district. Despite this (and I am only 3 years younger than Paula), I always had respect for people of color and would cringe whenever I heard my father use disrespectful language in talking about them. I think my father was so extreme that it made it impossible for me (and my siblings) to believe or follow him. Archie's daughter did not follow his beliefs either, and I do think there may have been a turning point somewhere.

I've never seen Jamie Oliver (that I know of), but I will be happy never to hear Rachel Ray's voice again.

Here is a link that might be useful: Sons' perspective

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I've always felt she was a phony...starting with the accent that just kept getting thicker and thicker over the years until she just sounded ridiculous. I have watched her occasionally over the years, though (we like her meatloaf recipe and there's no butter in it!). One day I was watching her show and she actually admitted to not trying a recipe in her own cookbook! Why would someone admit that on her own cooking show? Dumb is all that comes to mind. I am sure there are probably other cookbook writers that don't try every recipe but they sure don't admit it! Then a few years ago she was cooking somewhere and her pants fell down and it was all caught on camera. I mean, who does she think she is kidding. Then there was the diabetes issue where it was reported it took her several years to admit to because supposedly she was waiting for a large pharaceutical endorsement to come her way first (which she got). People felt she was being dishonest about that. Now she is trotting out her boys, Bobby & Jamie, to defend her. In their interview on CNN, one of them even mentioned his parents giving him pajamas when he was little with some theme to it that I can't remember that is suppose to prove she is not racial! IMO, her boys have been riding her coat tails for years and probably fear the domino effect this might have on them. Who knows, maybe this was the final straw for the Food Network to get rid of her.


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  • Posted by arley 7b/8a SC (My Page) on
    Wed, Jun 26, 13 at 9:38

I don't care for her show. I don't like 'American Idol', either, so I don't watch either.

It is bothersome, however, that the media chooses its targets selectively for whatever auto-da-fe they are having that week. If Ms. Deen mistreated her co-workers, that's one thing and she should be held accountable. If under duress she said something impolitic three decades ago, that's another; but it does fit the media's stereotype of white-southerners-are-racist-under-the-skin, so they're running with that. It gets people watching, irrespective of the accuracy or fairness.

Lars, you mentioned the believability of the accuser. In a perfect world, that would be a very important part of the whole story. Remember Juanita Broaddrick? She was inteviewed by NBC about her allegations that Bill Clinton, when Attorney General of Arkansas, raped her in her hotel room, and that Hillary helped to smooth it over. I found her extremely believable. NBC sat on the story, not running the interview until after the impeachment vote was held in the Senate. I'm sure the timing was just a coincidence. Bill Clinton forces himself upon someone and the media yawns; some TV foodie maybe made a racial slur thirty years ago and she's destroyed.

Gotta have priorities.

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Here's an article on Julia Child, for comparison. She is another one who used quite a bit of butter in her recipes and who was a raging homophobe in her early life, but apparently was able to change her views in the course of her life. Nathalie Dupree, OTOH, was a Southern chef (although born in NJ), whom I found very endearing because of how accepting she was of diversity.

I believe that attitudes and people can change.

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Hmm, as much as I dislike Paula, I wonder if she had not been a white woman if she would have been excoriated to such an extent. I read an article this morning that pointed to all the people who have said and done as much as or worse than Paula, and a lot more recently.

Mel Gibson's anti-Semitic remarks were far more recent and just as repulsive, yet it seems that he has been forgiven somehow (not by me!).

I do not condone what Paula said in any way, but at least this incident has got us talking about the use of racist language an just how hurtful it is.

Paula looked like hell on the Today show this morning. She is suffering.


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Here's an article on the topic from this morning's Wall Street Journal.

Here is a link that might be useful: Paula Deen as seen by WSJ


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Thanks Ruthanna for that article. Makes sense.

Somehow, all this to-do with Paula in the media is centering around her use of a slur 30 years ago but that is not what the current lawsuit is concerned with.

The suit is alleging that Paula, as CEO/owner, has allowed Bubba's restaurant to have a "hostile environment" filled with racial slurs, sexual innuendos and pornography in the workplace. Very different things.

For instance, the woman who filed the lawsuit contends she was called, "our little Jew", because she improved finances at the restaurant compared to the previous manager. An obvious racial slur. She also contends Bubba downloaded porn onto the restaurant's computer that all employees used and that pornographic materials were passed around at staff meetings.

Those are serious charges. Paula was rarely at this restaurant and, by her deposition, seemed to know little about how it was managed. "I don't know" is not a good legal defense. She's the CEO of Paula Deen Enterprises and the buck stops at her desk.

That's what needs to be decided...was/is there such an environment at Bubba's? If so, does it rise to being a "hostile environment" for employees?

Paula's deposition, as I read it, left me with the impression it could be accurate and that Paula doesn't see anything wrong and from a business perspective Paula seemed oblivious to what was happening in parts of her empire. She said herself that she was only in Savannah about half the year and didn't think she'd been in Bubba's in 5 years.

The media has focused on the 30-year old racial slur because it's headline material and how a business is run is boring to many people, IMO.

/tricia


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I wrote food network a letter and told them how sick I was of her fake accent,the laugh,mispronouncing of words.If Imwatching say chopped which I love...and she comes on I cant change thechannel fast enough..Im glad shes done


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I see on CNN that Walmart has decided to end their relationship with Paula.


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Caesar's Entertainment (Harrah's) dropped Paula today also. She had restaurants in 4 of their casinos.

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Arley, I'm with you.

I do not condone Paula Deen's behavior, nor do I have any ill will towards her (except perhaps for the sudden urge to douse my head in alcohol whenever my ears pick up on her acksint).

But, for me anyway, that's no reason to see Paula burn at the stake. Or anyone else, for that matter.

It's a shame though, that the lady hawked Smithfield hams for years, only to take one to the face, literally.

And what I find most ironic of all (Drum Roll, please) is that Walmart is now dropping her too!

When in the hell did Walmart acquire a conscience?

Sol


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Food historian Michael Twitty's open letter to Paula Deen is linked below. Food for thought...

Here is a link that might be useful: Afroculinaria June 25 2013


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Thanks bbstx, interesting commentary from - did I get this right - a gay black Jew? He's gotta see discrimination coming at him no matter which way he turns! Definitely interesting food for thought. Of course once again he, like most everyone else seizing opportunity from headline news, seems to miss the simple point that the root of the issue is a purported hostile work environment. Kind of interesting that he spelled out the N-word but felt the need to hyphenate God. Just an observation.

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Kind of interesting that he spelled out the N-word but felt the need to hyphenate God. Just an observation.

I'm not Jewish, but I have Jewish friends who hyphenate God that way. It's my understanding they do it out of reverence and respect. So I'm not surprised that he would spell out the n word but not spell out God. Even though I would do it the other way around - spell out God but not the other word - I like the way Michael Twitty does it. It kind of relegates the n word to the dustbin of petty garbage words, not worthy of distinction.


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Thanks Daisy - I'm barely awake yet and I already learned something new today! I've seen that done before, on this forum in fact, and it's always struck me as odd that someone would feel the need to "bleep" it out like a curse. Now I know better.


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Lars, that is a wonderful point to make and people can truly evolve and change. I loved Natlie Dupree, too! Thanks for reminding me of her.

Sadly, It seems Paula cooked her own goose and not understanding some of the comparisons being made. No one else is to blame. Who know we build people up and knock them down all the time. Depending on the lawsuit, who knows where she will be in the future. We also love a come back.


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I believe Paula when she claims that she was a product of her environment, which went okay until it wasn't okay. So she got away with it for a long time and was lulled into a false sense of security until someone called her on it. Therefore it is true that the environment is largely to blame, but that environment needs to change, and to the extent that she can help change that environment, she deserves credit. It's sad that she did not recognize the need to change this environment sooner, and so she was lazy in this regard. Some people need a slap in the face to recognize that what they are allowing is hateful and degrading to others, even if they do not intentionally want to be hateful or degrading. Many times the people who are being degraded do not feel that they are capable of defending themselves against someone whom they view as being so much more powerful. That has never deterred me, but it might have that effect on others.

Lars


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Daisy is correct; the name is hyphenated out of reverence and respect. In fact, my Orthodox friends don't even say or write "G-d" but use the Hebrew term "HaShem" (the Name) -- or better yet, H' -- to avoid using the word in any context other than prayer.

Back on topic: I have never watched Paula Deen's shows or used her recipes or products. I read the deposition, and although I didn't find a "smoking gun" example of overt racist behavior in the workplace, there were nuances that reflected her attitudes (e.g., her description of the black waiters at an antebellum-style restaurant who were classy and "impressive," and therefore NOT "N's").

There was also a story about a black employee, Big Will, being questioned about being physically shaken by her brother Bubba; the questioning took place while Bubba was present and resting his hand on the employee's shoulder--not-so-subtle intimidation. Of course, Big Will confirmed Bubba’s version of the incident.

Paula didn’t deny that she knew about charges that Bubba had stolen money from his own company (the business manager who complained to her was subsequently given a payoff, er, raise), and she was told that he told off-color jokes and showed porn at employee meetings. She was aware of his alcohol and cocaine problems but brushed them off. I would like to have seen her brother’s deposition about these matters, because it sounds like Paula “looked the other way” and didn’t see, hear, or recall very much.

Sue


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Paula has now been dropped by Target and Novo Nordisk (the diabetes drug company).

I would say her appearance with Matt Lauer yesterday may have worked against her.


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I rather think the corporations involved with Paula were looking for contriteness and a professional apology from her. Rather, Paula talked about herself and the woes she has suffered in the past week, crying and tried to come across as a victim. It was decidedly unprofessional.

I'm assuming Paula has spoken with these various corporation's executives over the past few days. If she spoke with them as she did with Matt Lauer - sorta hard to envision her as an in control executive officer of a multi-million dollar enterprise.

What's really sad, to me, is Paula just doesn't seem to get it.


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There are more troubling things going on than this one. It's just easier to be consumed with the Paula Deen controversy. She doesn't deserve the attention. This morning one of her books was rated #1 on Amazon. I just don't get that.


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I don't understand why she chose the words she did yesterday on Matt Lauer. "I is what I is" is NOT what people are looking for at his point.

I too saw on the news that her cookbook sales have gone through the roof. Bizarre!

I wonder if Paula will take Michael Twitty up on his offer to cook with him at his event. If she wants to get back in the game that may be a starting point. That was a very good article.

I have never ending weeds in my garden. That is the biggest fish I've got to fry at the moment.


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  • Posted by arley 7b/8a SC (My Page) on
    Thu, Jun 27, 13 at 16:43

Teresa, there's no accounting for some phenomena like the cookbook sales taking off.

Right after the OJ Simpson slow motion chase, sales of that model of Bronco went up, too.

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Lots of news this week. Court decisions, trials, indictments, financial, and...Paula.

Just heard on Wolf Blitzer (CNN) that QVC is cutting Paula also but left a window cracked open. Googled and found this:

UPDATE, 3 PM: QVC CEO Mike George says in a blog post that “for now” Paula Deen “won’t be appearing on any upcoming broadcasts and we will phase out her product assortment on our online sales channels over the next few months.” The site offers a Deen-branded line of cookware. The shopping channel chief adds that “People deserve second chances. And we always strive to do the right thing.”

Here is a link that might be useful: QVC


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How about that wonderful black quarter back for Philadelphia that spent time in prison for killing dogs and the NFL couldn't forgive him fast enough. Talk about a double standard.


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From CBS News this afternoon:
Paula Deen's upcoming cookbook, currently the No. 1 seller on Amazon.com, has been dropped by its publisher.


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She would be forgiven had she killed dogs!!!!


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Michael Vick spent 21 months incarcerated and another 2 in home confinement. He lost millions and ended up filing for bankruptcy. Mike served his criminal punishment and continues today to suffer public distain from many. Mike also gives considerable time/money now to educate against dog fighting.

I don't imagine Paula will pay nearly as dear a price - nor should she.

/tricia

Here is a link that might be useful: Michael Vick


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This is interesting, since it seems to Me, that there are a lot of reasons for this entire thing, in addition to Paula Deen's behavior, possibly other reasons that have not been 'aired'. I don't watch Her, and have little interest in what She does. She should sometimes keep Her mouth shut. I am almost 80 years old.. I have 'seen' and heard racial tags,and descriptions for almost any thing any human chooses to do, and for their race. Whether it is Jewish, Polish, Italian, Irish, Indian, Northern, Southern, or any other color or mix of colors or race. I remember when I was a child, I realized that whites and blacks, were 'different' I grew up in the South, I had never seen a 'colored' person, until I was about 8 years old, If I had any of the people whom I had heard a slang name about them, and they had pointed a gun at My head, I might have used more insulting names for them, than they were used to hearing. Maybe not be proud of it, but if they were thinking of shooting Me, I wouldn't be sorry either. gengenz


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As usually happens with the media, the information we receive is skewed toward what they want us to know or hear.

The allegation is not that Paula used a single racial slur. The employee who is suing, incidentally, is white. She (and other employees) allege that black employees were paid less, made to pick up their checks at the back door, made to use the back entrance and use the bathroom in the back while white employees were allowed to use the customer restrooms in the front and come in the front door. Paula admits that she knew Bubba was making sexual references and telling inappropriate jokes, and explained it by saying "we all said things we should not have said".

Can Paula make a comeback?. Maybe, but only if she shuts up for a while. It worked for Martha Stewart (another person I don't care much about, but a better comparison than MIchael Vick, I think). She was convicted, went to prison, things were pretty quiet. She got out, went quietly back to work and now people seem to have forgiven or forgotten her indiscretions, as evidenced by her association with Macy's, etc.

If Paula would stop portraying herself as the helpless victim on a constant basis and buck up, she might actually have a chance of redemption in the eyes of the public. Well, she would also have to change her attitudes and actions to provide an equal and fair employment atmosphere for everyone, which she may not be capable or willing to do.

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'Can Paula make a comeback?. Maybe, but only if she shuts up for a while.'

Annie, I agree with you wholeheartedly. I cannot believe she ended her Matt Lauer opportunity with, 'I is what I is', the punch line from a racial joke.

I'm convinced Paula is so steeped in her ways she needs to spend some time with a cultural awareness educator before trying for a comeback. She's just clueless.

/tricia

Here is a link that might be useful: Racial joke


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I just read this and don't think it's been linked before here...I apologize if I missed it above....it pretty much sums up what I feel about this whole situation.

Here is a link that might be useful: Janus Adams open letter to Paula Deen


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I can't get over the claim, "Slaves were treated just like family members". Really??? Even if they weren't beaten, sexually abused or worse, then family members who were made to work all the daylight hours; housed, clothed and fed in a substandard fashion; denied literacy; and who could be bought and sold at will? Glad my family didn't treat each other like that.


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July 4th is upon us.

Thomas Jefferson, who coincidentally died on July 4th, 1826, was the author of the "Declaration Of Independence"

In it, he wrote, “------ We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.---“

Yet, Jefferson owned 200 slaves.

dcarch


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If even half of what the Deen's have been accused of is true, Paula won't be making a come back any time soon.

Here is a link that might be useful: Jackson Vs Deen Complaint


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This was on Bloomberg.com this morning. I think it's a good article. It lays the whole situation out including WHY Paula's business is floundering. Most, if not all, of the other coverage I've seen has focused on Paula's 30-year old remarks. Bloomberg has addressed Bubba's role in the controversy.

I'd never heard of the southern country TV station Bloomberg mentions as it's unavailable here in CT. Interesting that Paula's shows are still on their schedule thru July 15.

/tricia

Here is a link that might be useful: Bloomberg's take on Paula


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Tricia - thank you for posting the link to such an interesting article.

"A look at the rise and fall of Paula Deen Enterprises demonstrates the particular perils of building a business empire based on the distillation and heavy promotion of one person’s life story."

So apt. If the mall is the new Temple, one must populate it with saints that turn getting and spending into a comfortable religion. I sometimes wonder what people like more: worshipping an idol or lynching it. Can't stand the sight of a lynch, no matter who's getting lynched. It's not always out of sympathy for the lynched. It's that the lynchers are just as scary if not scarier.


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My take on the whole thing is that Paula's brother was always a time bomb waiting to explode but he is the only family she has (outside her husband and kids) and she feels she is his protector.

I haven't seen anything she personally did or say rise to level to label her a "racist".


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When reading the link to the Complaint in Jackson v. Deen, please remember that a Complaint (in the legal sense) is no adjudication of liability. As one of my professors used to say, "you can sue the Bishop of Boston for bastardy," meaning that you can sue anyone for anything. Proving it is a different story.

I have no opinion on this suit one way or the other. I'm just posting cautionary note.


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My husband and I got rid of our TV about 5 years ago and do not regret the decision at all. We got tired of the media tainting, and in many cases, lying about most of what comes out of their mouths. We also got sick and tired of the poor quality of the shows and all the ads. We would rather spend time conversing with each other or just relax reading good books, or having a nice glass of wine on our porch.

That said, we don't live in a bubble and do know what is going on around us. I feel this whole Paula Deen thing is a circus and totally ridiculous, as most of these type of things are. I've never watched her shows, or looked at any of her recipes, simply because I am not interested. I'd rather be cooking my own meals or gardening than sitting in front of a T.V. In other words, I consider life too short to care about Paula Deen.

We now live in a society where people want to lynch someone on hearsay, which is exactly what the media coverage is causing and doing, or ancient history, yet politicians do not pay much price for some pretty disgusting behavior.

The fact is, I'm betting that despite the fact that most people here are caring, non racist people, not one of us can claim to NEVER having made a less than nice remark, calling someone else a name, or done something unkind. And that goes for the people that are the first to complain they are being slurred. Just because someone makes an accusation does not make it fact. I guess this country hasn't grasped the whole innocent till proven guilty thing.

I believe we should still have the right in this country to speak and say whatever we want, (but not abuse someone) particularly in the privacy of our homes. If someone says something nasty then that is a reflection on them, and upon hearing such things one can choose to walk away from that person, or can say something to them about it. Life moves on. Saying a nasty thing 30 years ago and being penalized for it now is just ridiculous. Give me a break. There are worse things to deal with these days, and wasting court time on something said in the past is absolutely ridiculous.

Food Network has a right to fire anyone they choose to, and Smithfield and Walmart can do business as they wish as well. Frankly, I don't do business with any of the above anyway, and all they are showing is that they don't grasp the concept of innocent till proven guilty either. It does not make me admire them.

As far as Paula Deen saying the thing about a "plantation wedding", has it ever crossed anyone's minds that it might have been a compliment rather than a slur? Maybe it was a slur, but maybe it wasn't. I will tell you that "white" people are slurred just as much these days. Why isn't someone getting worked up over that?

Choosing to not watch Paula Deen because she is irritating, or you don't like her recipes is fine. However, judging her without really knowing the facts, or having heard in person the context of how something was actually said, is the only way to make a fair judgement. I also question why a former employee would wait so long to make a complaint about Paula Deen. Normal people do something immediately.

It is not O.K. to bully, hurt, or discriminate against someone else. Ever. Period. But what someone chooses to say or discuss with a spouse, a family member, or a friend is no one else's business. Maybe Paula Deen isn't a nice person, or she may truly be a wonderful person....I have no way of knowing that as I have never had any contact with her. Either way, it does not belong in court as a court case.

I am also wondering what all the demonizing of certain foods is all about in this country. Does everyone really blindly believe everything they are told, just because it was said? I guess so. Real farm butter, lard, grass fed beef, and free range pork, celtic sea salt, and whole milk from organically and locally raised farms is extremely healthy. It's all about feeling satisfied with your food, and therefore naturally practice portion control without thinking about it.

My husband and I are "older" and we eat this way after obtaining the book "Nourishing Traditions", and also looking into what the Weston Price Foundation has to offer. We are both fit, healthy, and on NO medications whatsoever. And we eat grass fed raw butter lavishly, particularly on a nice grass fed steak or whole grain bread that I make from grain I grind myself. Consider maybe it's not the food itself causing the problems, but rather what "they" are doing to it before it hits the grocery shelves? I haven't bought a mix or anything processed in years. My husband and I have noticed that on the rare instance we eat out that we feel ill afterwards now.

Blaming Paula Deen for obesity is absurd. No one is forcing anyone to eat her food in her restaurant. It is not the restaurant, or even butter that is making these people overweight. It's their whole lifestyle.

I usually don't respond to threads like this, but this time it got my dander up a bit. Maybe people should spend more time on important things, like the relationships in their lives and their hobbies, and less time on Paula Deen.


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Sandy 808 Hear Hear!!! I agree with you wholeheartedly


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Again, the court case is not over racial slurs, it's over whether or not a hostile work environment existed or continues to exist, causing the Plaintiff to quit/be fired/otherwise leave her employment unlawfully. That IS "worth court time".

Whether she did or did not is up to the courts to decide, but the media is trying her in their own bully pulpit for making a racial slur. That particular statement is not part of the court case, other than she was asked at deposition and answered. She is not being sued for that, she's being sued for alleged violations of Federal Labor Law. Whether she is found guilty remains the job of the Courts.

Annie


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"----it's over whether or not a hostile work environment existed or continues to exist, causing the Plaintiff to quit/be fired/otherwise leave her employment unlawfully. ---"

I think the food business world is a tough world. I don't know if any food business is relaxing, high paying and not pressurized. Screaming, yelling, cursing are pretty normal stuff.

dcarch


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That's probably true, dcarch, but those are not the allegations made in the lawsuit. The allegations include disparate treatment and salary for different employees based on a protected class (which is illegal itself) and that sexual innuendo and conversation was common and tolerated, creating a hostile work environment. Those things are most decidedly prohibited by Federal Labor Law and have nothing to do with long hours, low pay, stressful work situations, etc.

A person is presumed innocent until found guilty, but everyone has a right to decide whether to support a person, their actions or their lifestyle, regardless of the findings of the Court. If found guilty, then the appropriate punishments will be decided, but that will not include any kind of public business reputation. That is for each person to decide for themselves, hopefully based on fact and not on media sensationalism.

Annie


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I don't think the lawsuit was specifically about it, but in the deposition transcript she talks about hiring all black event staff so her son could have a "real plantation wedding." IMO that is a WHOLE different ball of wax than 'oh I uttered a racial slur once after being held up at gunpoint' and probably deserves whatever punishment she gets.


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