Normally I would gladly completely stay out of an argument like this one. But as a newbie who does ask advise from this forum, I find this a bit disconcerting. I know and have grown to trust immensely that I am getting good advise from Dave and Carol. I also automatically give a heavier weight of trust to anyone else on this forum than I do to other web sites or forums I have found on the internet and even over a couple of cookbooks I have after reading some of the threads on this forum. With that being said I hope when you are giving your advice out JohnDeereGal, you are prefacing it with "this is not by the guidelines" if it is not. I say this because I am a stickler for the rules and while I do appreciate that you have many years of pratical experience under your belt without harming anyone (as did my grandmother), I am feeding my two toddlers my canned goods and have absolutely no interest in playing "adventurous cook". I imagine that a lot of the resurgence in interest in canning are people like me, who are trying to feed their children healthier food options. To me it is completely counterintuitive to take something I am trying to make healthy and play fast and loose with the proven scientific research.

As promised: Emily, this first recipe has way too much detail, but as Pascal said, "I didnt have time to make it shorter." I wrote it for a friend in Scotland who is a novice cook. So you get the whole shebang. Lentil Minestrone with Greens (Martha Rose Shulman) 1 T. olive oil 4 pieces of smoked bacon, chopped 1 small onion, chopped 1 large or two small carrots, minced 4 large garlic cloves, minced 1 (14-oz.) can tomatoes, seeded and chopped, with juice 1/2 tsp. dried thyme (1 teaspoon fresh leaves) 1/2 tsp. dried oregano (1 teaspoon fresh leaves) 3/4 pound lentils (about 1 1/2 cups), picked over and rinsed (Rinse in a strainer - you're checking for gravel mainly) 1 Parmesan rind a few sprigs each of fresh flat-leaf parsley and fresh thyme 1 bay leaf a few pinches of cayenne pepper (to taste) Salt Freshly ground pepper (to taste) 1/2 pound Swiss chard, stalks removed, leaves washed and chopped 1/2 cup small pasta or Arborio rice 2 tablespoons chopped fresh flat-leaf parsley 1/4 cup freshly grated Parmesan, for serving Heat the oil over medium-low heat in a heavy soup pot or Dutch oven (a fairly big one) and add the bacon, onion and carrot. Cook, stirring, until the vegetables are tender, about 5 minutes or a little longer and stir in the garlic. Cook, stirring, just until the garlic smells fragrant and is beginning to color, about 1 minute, and stir in the tomatoes, dried thyme and dried oregano. Turn the heat to medium and bring the tomatoes to a simmer. Cook, stirring often, for about 10 minutes, until the tomatoes have cooked down somewhat and smell fragrant. Stir in the lentils and 8 cups of water and bring to a boil. You can go this far with the recipe up to 4 days ahead. [Very handy!] Tie the Parmesan rind, parsley and thyme sprigs and bay leaf together with kitchen twine or tie in a piece of cheesecloth. Add to the soup. Add the cayenne, reduce the heat, cover and simmer for 30 minutes. Add salt, about 2 teaspoons to begin with (you will probably add more) and simmer another 15-30 minutes, until the lentils are tender and the broth fragrant. Add pepper to the soup and stir in the chard and pasta. Continue to simmer for another 10-15 minutes until the pasta is cooked through. Taste. Is there enough salt? Garlic? Adjust the seasonings and remove the Parmesan rind bundle. Stir in the chopped parsley. Serve, topping each bowlful with a generous sprinkle of Parmesan cheese. This soup will taste wonderful for several days after (great leftovers). It will get thick but you can thin it with water. Or you can leave it thick and use as a topping like hummus for bruschetta. Cut thick slices of good, crusty country bread, toast, rub toast with a cut garlic clove. Warm the thick soup, spread on the bread, sprinkle on some Parmesan and eat. Things to do differently: Leave out the bacon for vegetarians. It will be fine. Substitute bits of ham or a mildly seasoned sausage for the bacon. You can either slice the sausage or peel the skin off and cook it loose or use loose sausage you buy. Add celery with the carrot and onion. If you buy (or can find) some fresh thyme, just use it and skip the dried herbs. Strip off the little leaves and put some in early then add more fresh sprigs later in the bouquet garni (that's the bunch of stuff you tie together). Use le puy lentils if you can find them. Those are really tiny green French ones, very tender. In bulk they're cheap but if you can't find them or can only find an expensive package use regular green lentils. They'll still be good. The Parmesan rind (the crusty edge on the fat end of the wedge) gives incredible flavor to a meatless broth. Always save Parmesan rinds! You can take it and all the fresh herbs and make a little bag out of a clean hankie or similar cheap white fabric, or stuff everything in an oversized mesh teaball or take clean string and tie all the herbs by the stems and just dump the Parmesan rind in the liquid. Swiss chard might be called Silverbeet in the U.K. It is in Australia. But spinach will work just great and you might find spinach leaves already cleaned for salad (timesaver!) Instead of pasta or rice (can actually be any white rice) use cubes of potato if you like - white baking potatoes peeled or little red potatoes unpeeled. This really is a very forgiving recipe. Feel free to experiment. Also, if you have a spoonful or two of tomato paste you could add that in with the tomatoes. Or if there's a bit of leftover tomato juice in the refrigerator or chicken broth, use that as part of the 8 cups of liquid. And if you have a little basil or sundried tomato pesto, stir that in at the end. But just a spoonful or so. Nice addition but totally unnecessary. Gilding the lily. Okay, so there's a nice comfort soup. Serve with hearty bread and a cheap red wine and you have a meal. Cookies or ice cream or pears or little tarts with coffee make a perfect dessert (if you have room). Moosewood Lentil Soup 3. c. raw lentils, rinsed 7 c. water or stock 2 t. salt 2 t. minced garlic 1 c. chopped onion 1 c. minced celery 1 c. chopped carrots Lots of freshly ground black pepper 1-1/2 c. chopped, fresh tomatoes, or equivalent canned 2 T. dry red wine 2 T. lemon juice 1-1/2 T. molasses (I think it can do very well without this.) 1 T. wine vinegar, or more to taste (Old recipe  Balsamic is nice, but less than 1 T. to start.) Combine raw lentils, water or stock, and salt and simmer, covered, for 3 to 4 hours. Then steam the garlic, onion, celery and carrots together in a saucepan, and add to lentils. Continue to simmer on low heat for about an hour. Add black pepper, tomatoes, dry red wine, lemon juice, molasses, and wine vinegar about 30 min. before serving. Sprinkle extra vinegar and freshly-chopped green onions onto each serving. [I donÂt make this by MoosewoodÂs method. Use ½ butter ½ olive oil (or all olive) and sauté onion, celery and carrots. DonÂt add garlic until the last minute. Sautéeing garlic too long brings out volatile bitter oils. Heat water to boil and pour over sautéed vegetables to bring up any good crusty bits. (Works better with meat, but oh well . . .) Add lentils and cook 30-45 minutes. Check for tenderness and cook longer if needed. Add remaining ingredients, checking after each for taste. With butter or olive oil you wouldnÂt need all the wine, lemon juice, vinegar.] Lentil Vegetable Soup The recipe and text are from The Barefoot Contessa Cookbook, by Ina Garten. This is a delicious and hearty winter soup that gets a lot of its flavor and texture from French lentils. They are the small green ones that are available from specialty food stores or by mail order. French lentils make this soup taste fresher and less starchy than the traditional American ones. Note: As lentil soup sits, it will thicken; just add more chicken stock to get the right consistency.Red wine vinegars vary greatly in strength. Put half the vinegar into the soup, taste it, and then add the rest if you want more. Yield: 8 to 10 servings Ingredients: 1 pound French green lentils 4 cups chopped yellow onions (3 large onions) 4 cups chopped leeks, white part only (2 leeks) 1 Tablespoon minced garlic (3 cloves) 1/4 cup good olive oil, plus additional for drizzling on top 1 Tablespoon kosher salt 1 1/2 teaspoons freshly ground black pepper 1 Tablespoon minced fresh thyme leaves or 1 teaspoon dried 1 teaspoon ground cumin 3 cups medium-diced celery (8 stalks) 3 cups medium-diced carrots (4 to 6 carrots) 3 quarts chicken stock 1/4 cup tomato paste 2 Tablespoons red wine or red wine vinegar Method: Freshly grated Parmesan cheese. In a large bowl, cover the lentils with boiling water and allow to sit for 15 minutes. Drain. In a large stockpot on medium heat, sauté onions, leeks and garlic with the olive oil, salt, pepper, thyme and cumin for 20 minutes, until the vegetables are translucent and very tender. Add the celery and carrots and sauté for 10 more minutes. Add the chicken stock, tomato paste and lentils. Cover and bring to a boil. Reduce the heat and simmer uncovered for 1 hour, until the lentils are cooked through. Check the seasonings. Add the red wine and serve hot, drizzled with olive oil and sprinkled with grated Parmesan. Lentil Soup with Sun-Dried Tomatoes Recipe By :Prevention Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method -------- ------------ -------------------------------- 1 Tablespoon olive oil 1 large onion -- chopped 2 cloves garlic -- minced 4 cups water or broth 3 cups water 2 cups dried lentils 1 cup carrots -- sliced 1/4 teaspoon dried oregano 1/4 teaspoon dried basil 1/4 teaspoon dried rosemary 1/4 teaspoon ground black pepper 1/2 cup oil-packed sun-dried tomatoes -- drained and slivered 2 tablespoons balsamic vinegar salt 1 cup very small shell pasta 1. Warm oil in a soup pot over medium heat. Add onions and garlic. Sauté 3 minutes. Add broth, water, lentils, carrots, oregano, basil, rosemary, and pepper. Bring to a boil. Reduce heat, cover, and simmer 20 minutes, stirring occasionally. Add tomatoes. Simmer 15 minutes or until lentils are tender. Stir often. Stir in vinegar. Season with salt and more vinegar, if desired. 2. Cook pasta according to package directions. Drain and stir into the soup. Makes about 12 cups. Sausage Soup With Spinach and Wild Rice Serving Size : 8 Categories : One-Dish Meals Soups And Stews Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method -------- ------------ -------------------------------- 1/2 cup uncooked wild rice 1 1/2 cups water 1 pound Italian sausage (can use lowfat turkey) 1 teaspoon olive oil 1 cup chopped onion 3 garlic cloves -- crushed 3 cups water 3 tablespoons tomato paste 1 teaspoon dried oregano 1 teaspoon dried basil 3 16-oz. cans fat free, less-sodium chicken broth 1 14.5-oz. can diced tomatoes -- undrained 1 cup lentils (optional) 12 cups torn spinach -- (one bag) 1/4 teaspoon salt 1/4 teaspoon black pepper grated fresh Parmesan cheese Bring 1-1/2 cups water to a boil in a medium saucepan. Add wild rice; cover, reduce heat, and simmer 1 hour or until tender. Set aside. Cook the sausage in a Dutch oven over medium-high heat until browned; stir to crumble. Drain sausage; set aside. Heat oil in Dutch oven over medium-high heat. Add onion, and sauté for 3 minutes. Add garlic, and saute for 1 minute. Add the sausage, 3 cups water, and the next 5 ingredients (water through tomatoes); bring to a boil. Reduce heat; simmer for 20 minutes. Stir in cooked wild rice, spinach, salt, and pepper. Ladle soup into bowls; sprinkle with cheese. Description: "BakingCircle Member Recipe" Vegetable Soup With Pasta and Greens Recipe By : Serving Size : 4 Preparation Time :0:55 Categories : One-Dish Meals Soups And Stews Vegetarian Entrees Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method -------- ------------ -------------------------------- 2 teaspoons olive oil 1 large onion, finely chopped 2 carrots halved lengthwise and sliced 2 zucchini, halved lengthwise and sliced 1 red bell pepper, diced 14 1/2 ounces can stewed tomatoes, chopped with juices 2 cups chicken broth 1/4 cup chopped fresh basil 1/2 teaspoon salt 4 cups shredded chard, spinach or kale 1/2 cup orzo or other small pasta 1/3 cup grated Parmesan cheese In a nonstick kettle, heat the oil until hot but not smoking over medium heat. Add the onion and cook, stirring frequently, until the onion is softened, about 5 minutes. Add the carrots and cook, stirring frequently, until the carrots are softened, about 5 minutes. Stir in the zucchini and bell pepper and cook, stirring freqently, until the pepper is tender, about 5 minutes. Add the tomatoes and their juices and cook, stirring freqently, until the liquid is slightly reduced, about 3 minutes. Stir in the broth, 1 1/2 cups of water, the basil and salt and bring to a boil. Stir in the greens and pasta, return to a boil, and cook until the pasta is just tender, about 10 minutes. Sprinkle the parmesan on top. Great reheated. Just add more water as the pasta will continue to absorb liquid. I have more recipes, but this should get you started. The Martha Shulman recipe and the Ina Garten recipe are probably closest to what youÂre looking for. The sausage soup is also very good, a real tried-and-true. I have varied that recipe in all kinds of ways and itÂs never failed me. The final recipe is my variation of a Moosewood one. It doesnÂt have lentils, but itÂs very good. Worth considering (when spinach is safe again). Carol

Thank you DeeMarie, the other half of this is Lisa lives in Scotland - our neighbours at first and then dear, loving friends shortly there after. Her family made us feel like we were at home while away from Canada. As we know at KT, it's not the distance - it's our hearts. This is not such a big world after all. Cheers, Peggy

I grew up in a small town in Ohio. Our drive was not paved, we put the ashes from the furnace on the drive in the winter. We also burned leaves on the drive way. Our chicken coop was not abandoned, no chickens; but it was used as dad's workshop and storage for garden things like strawberry baskets and bushel baskets for the pears and apples. Along with tools and fertilizers. I loved that place. We had a large veggie garden and had one deep freezer devoted to frozen veggies and a fruit cellar for canned items (pickles and pie filling). When products were in season, the phone would ring. one of the neighbors who 'ordering' corn or apples or berries or whatever was in season, and my sister and I would use our little red wagon to deliver the produce and collect the money. I don't know if that qualified as my first job. Once each autumn we split a cow with neighbors, we got about a side of beef. That went into the other deep freezer. That one was special because it also held our ice cream stash. The neighbors immediately north of us had been friendly with our family for many years. Using the back door, we never knocked, but walked right in. However, if using the front door, we were polite and knocked and waited. Jim