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Can we talk patios? I need help. Long with pics.

Posted by lpinkmountain (My Page) on
Fri, Jul 8, 11 at 11:18

Lars thread on his pergola and everyone sharing pictures of their patios inspired me to post. Also, I know there are a lot of folks on here with artistic talent and good taste and experience in yard and garden design. I could use some help. I rarely can come up with the best ideas on my own.

Slowly, (very slowly) but surely BF and I are working our way through my yard trying to fix it up. Last year I was sick all through the spring and then the summer was so hot that the whole yard was quite neglected. The back part by the garage is a jungle. Hopefully soon BF will finish my compost arbor. The next thing is trying to fix this "patio" thing I would like. I have a patio swing which I love to sit out on at night, and I have ideas for a little garden to view from the swing. I have the swing at a certain angle for maximum yard viewing, and privacy from the close-in neighbors. At first I just had the swing on grass but got tired of moving it all the time to mow. Plus we might occasionally want to use our little fire pit in front of it. So the idea is for us to install a little patio for the swing area. The problem is, what shape and what material? Ideally we would like something water permeable.

Initially we thought maybe stone or pea gravel. That would need quite a bit of maintenance, or at least that's what I thought, but I could be wrong. Also, the landscape fabric I have to put under it isn't water permeable although maybe they make something like that, I dunno. Anyone have anything like this?

Another thought was a low wood deck, but not sure if I need yet another material in my yard, from an aesthetic point of view.

Last but not least, some type of landscape brick. That's what we're leaning towards now, but really do not know what shape to make the patio. Last week BF suggested we do away with the lawn all together. So now I'm wondering if maybe a brick patio and then a small stone area in front of it. I am NOT crazy about the grey brick that I have for the other patio and path, it seems busy against the backdrop of my brick house and garage. Different colors, different textures, etc. They make a grey/red type of patio brick but it is way more expensive than the plain, which is why I didn't get it in the first place. But maybe we can afford it since we are doing it ourselves this time. But again, not sure if it is wise to mix colors and materials in this tiny space.

Here is a photo of the area, from spring where you can see the patio, and now in July with the arbor materials stacked up out there. Also a link to some of my RUDIMENTARY sketches of shapes. None of them are very good ideas, I think. Right now I have the swing sitting on these red cement pavers that I had left over from my "before" yard configuration when I bought the house.


Current photo of yard, taken in July

Link to album with ideas for patio shapes
Patio Ideas


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RE: Can we talk patios? I need help. Long with pics.

On my way to the doctor but the first thing that came to my mind is that it looks like the back of your garage wall gets enough sun...it's crying out for an espaliered apple tree against that brick! Could easily be trained around the window.

I'll think about it while I'm in the doctor's office waiting...

/tricia


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RE: Can we talk patios? I need help. Long with pics.

Great minds think alike Tricia. I actually HAD an espalier apple tree in another spot in the yard, but I had to rip it out. I also planted four cedar bushes in the yard, so the apple tree got cedar-apple rust--BAD! And it affected the cedars. They are for screening. I could tear them out but it would really make a mess of things and change the whole nature of the yard. I didn't want to risk another apple. I plan on putting another trellis on the left side of the window. Not sure what to put on it, right now I'm thinking clematis although I have a bad luck curse on me I think with clematis. Another option is virgin's bower, for the scent, but I would have to really keep at it to prevent it taking over. You can't see it but I have the trellis stacked up back there. There's a raspberry bush on the right side. That one is purely sentimental. Next to the trellis, in the corner, is where the compost arbor is going. Not sure what I'm planting on that either, maybe kiwi or one of the other plants mentioned.


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RE: Can we talk patios? I need help. Long with pics.

I'm not so good with landscaping ideas...i should have come here to our resident landscaping people before we did ours. We landscaped 4 years ago and I've changed so much of it, of course, after it was installed. ~sigh~

I'm drooling over your copper roof!! Love that and would play off the colors of your roof in landscaping materials. I really am not sure but that window would become a door in a heartbeat! Nothing like being able to walk right out into your back yard.

Have fun with this project! I do like the espalier idea and think it would look fantastic.


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That building in the back with the copper roof and chimney is my one-car garage. Not sure why my garage has a chimney. People always ask me. There doesn't seem to be enough room for a stove or fireplace inside the garage. Maybe back in 1929 when these houses were built, that was where you put your mother-in-law! :)
Not enough room for a man-cave with the car in there. Barely enough room to get out of the car. The door to the garage is on the side. That's where the path goes once it leaves my yard.


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Oh, bummer about the CAR. But, don't forget you can espalier a pear, cherry, apricot, or peach. I think we tend to forget about using other trees 'cause apple is so common.

The CAR reminded me...I'm sure you've already seen it but here's NOAA's new 30-Year Climate Normals. The new zone map is at the bottom of Page 2. I had to zoom in to 400% to learn that I'm officially a Zone 7 now. In the magazine, Longwood Gardens talks about more diseases with warmer nights. Probably didn't make a difference with the CAR though. I've always kept detailed garden info including weather & my journal has told me for the past 8 years that the old average lows were colder than what was happening in our gardens. Anyway, I think we'll all have more disease/pest problems going forward & should keep it in mind when choosing plants. I'm having trouble with 'Miss Kim' & I believe part of the problem is we're not always meeting her dormancy requirements. Lilacs grow best in zones 3-7 so we're getting borderline & my journal tells me that we've had a couple Z8 winters.

Lpink, looking at the pictures I think some selective pruning would help to visualize exactly what you've got. I'm also thinking that it's not a bad idea to lose the grass. We have a 6' wide curving ribbon of turf that encircles our property & I like the way it sets off the other plantings but, in your case, your existing walkway accomplishes the same thing beautifully. Then, you'd have the grass area to either expand the hardscape making more room for the swing & use colorful pots, etc. for edible plantings (blueberries do great in pots as do dwarf peaches!) or you can use the space for in ground veggies.

I'll keep thinking...I agree though that the red pavers could be improved upon. I like the existing main patio/pathway.

They do make permeable landscape fabric & a crushed stone patio is a possibility but it requires at least a 4" foundation of sand underneath & even then with the trees it would be hard to maintain, IMO.

/tricia

Here is a link that might be useful: NOAA


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RE: Can we talk patios? I need help. Long with pics.

I can tell you what we've done, which looks like it would work for you as well, with the least amount of effort and money in materials. (Yes, we are DIYers too.) Several years ago we decided to do away with our grass because there wasn't enough of it, and 75 percent is under an oak tree where it doesn't grow well anyway. We just mulched the grass heavily to kill it out, and keep adding (pine bark) mulch every year since it tends to break down over the winter with weather. After doing this for several years, we have very few weeds. Because the mulch breaks down after while, it does need a thin surface layer once a year in the spring to keep it looking fresh. I think that would look the best since you wouldn't be adding another hard material like pavers, you wouldn't have to match anything and a natural look is always current. Your path and the landscape around it is what you really want to notice and adding another material would just distract your eye away from what makes your garden so beautiful.

We also plant a container garden that goes in the area every year, and I choose brightly colored hummingbird annuals to put in the sun around our pond to feed my hummingbirds. There are things like fuchsias, ferns and gardenias in partial shade, and begonias for deep shade. It's pretty, very natural, and easy to maintain.

If you wanted to dig out the grass, that would give you some depth in which to spread the mulch which would keep down the weeds beautifully, without needing any landscape fabric (which just seems to get in the way and is a big hassle to install.) Keeping it simple with just the mulch, gives you more room to ''landscape'' and putting your money into containers and maybe a fabulous fountain, makes the most sense. We've bought yards of mulch that were dumped on the driveway, and bought it in bags. After moving around mulch both ways, we actually think it's easier to put down mulch from bags without the immediacy of having to get a big pile off your driveway.

When the season is over, plants go into the compost pile, and I turn my containers upside down under my cedars to live out the winter until next year. After so many years, I pretty much know how much I need now to fill them. I love my garden, and the low maintenance aspect of not having grass to mow makes me happy. You already have a beautiful garden. I don't think it will take much to tweak it to a place where you'll be happy too.


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RE: Can we talk patios? I need help. Long with pics.

Your yard, small maybe, but can be a very inviting piece of gem.

IMHO:

In a compact space, the most important approach is to avoid clutter. I would get rid of as much as possible non-essential items and landscaping.

The second important thing is to be selective in all elements/furniture that end up in the space.

It is a very good thing that you have a very nice paving done. It seems to me that most of the time the view/focus is towards the garage. Therefore, creating a design statement using the garage can be effective in dressing-up the yard. The rendering shows fake 1/2 columns and molding superficially applied on the garage wall, framing the wooden swing, which in itself, is a very interesting piece of craftsmanship.

The wall, with a simple flower bed edging, can serve as the canvas for some climbing/flowering plants such as clematises, or even grape vines.

The entrance door to the yard should be changed from galvanized fence to a wood gate. There is no picture showing the path coming to this door. That too can be an interesting experience with some elegant lighting and wall hung planters.

I agree with tricia's thinking, especially about the lawn, unless you and BF enjoys playing Frisbee.

I don't think it will be outrageously expensive to do the above.

dcarch


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RE: Can we talk patios? I need help. Long with pics.

I would ditch the grass (which isn't lovely anyway) for attractive plantings. I like dcarchs gate too.

If you wanted too, you could make the area gorgeous with all kinds of small plants, trellises, containers, and seating areas.

The last garden tour I went on had a smallish house with every square inch of space turned into some kind of garden: the 8' x 8' miniature conifer area, the tiny rock garden area, the miniature rose area, it certainly gave me inspiration if nothing else and was incredible.
So much to look at in a small area.

I know cash and time are tight but you still have a nice space that can be easily more satisfying.


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