hmmmm,.. ok. problems: when impacted the EPDM "stars', which eventually causes a leak that will break the liner. ANY installers must first agree that if any, any, any impact occurs, there is no embarrassment, none, just that you need to know. Check for a whitish mark.. that is the star. Repair with patch. Take no chances, whatsoever. -It should be installed after compacting the subbase with a compactor using sand as the slidable material instead of gravel. Be absolutely certain that there are no stones, rocks in the base that will rise over time. Since temperature changes are not extreme there should be little movement of any rock. - do spray water on the sand after tamping, and tamp again. add 1" of sand all around. Where large boulders fit into pre-excavated cavities place carpet under the liner, more sand, and then the liner with carpet on top, then 1" or to grade to fit of sand - course btw. (the pre work is a large bowl shape? and has shelves or ? What about the stream?) No tripods. Counter-balanced rotating tripod with a long/short boom may be used on the edge where machinery can not enter. Fit stone exactly into place by strapping which will come out from the sand. No wire slings. Place 1/4 inch plywood 'rounds' on edges under each side, so that there is no stretching of the fabric. Stone is set or is rolled off the plywood, final fitting is done with a strap and boom/people lifting juggling. Sand is the medium that supports the stone. The pond would be lined with small gabian stone NO SHARP EDGES ALLOWED, if stone has a break or edge then ensure that these stones are used soft curved side down, sharp edges up. or use flat stone disks that are mixed with sand... over the layer of sand, then stone side to side, (patterns may be achieved), and at the edges, they are installed at the same angle as the bottom ground with a slight inward tilt at the heel (toe is out, heel is into the side). This wedging effect will suport the large stones that fit into the cavities. This method displaces the weight over a larger area than just that immediate spot where the stone rests. Try to ensure that these pieces look like a rhombus so that you have almost a castle wall effect showing on the sides. Stones may then be fitted to overhang in the water so that fish may swim under (simialr to a deadman.) Sweep sand over the entire, this will be a cleaning layer, that will slide down the stones, will hold plants, acts as a natural filter in the movement of the water. This layer will be replaced from time to time, 7- 10 years it gets thinner.. or is scooped out when cleaning the bottom. No free running water, except in the installation process, mist so that the sand enters the crevices of the stone and settles. The more compact this layer is the longer the liner will last and the more weight it will displace. Now you could probably use a tripod with foamed load distributors,.. but the work is already done... but you could use a tripod ladder if needed. all this means that the size of the pond in depth and widths will need to be 12" deeper and 24" wider than planned for a natural surface to show. where abouts are you located? jpegs needed? there is/are other ways of doing this and more I would add, but do not know what stage you are at.. ie: using concrete to float sharp edged stones,.. and this should be a separate thread... (apology to others) feel free to ask offline, just that replies may not be immediate.. edzard

that toolbar is called the bookmarks toolbar, it can accidentally removed when you are adjusting the chrome as you were, when you click on view then toolbars at the top it has the various toolbars listed there if you want it to show it must have a check mark in front of it if you remove the checkmark the toolbar will disappear until you again put a check mark there in front of it in that list. crabbypatty I have done several postings with firefox tips and tricks you can do a search here for them and likely find then or do a search on my name. However this link does lead to several good links of tips and tricks. Ultimate List of Firefox 3 Tips and Tricks Power User's Guide to Firefox 3 Combine Toolbars to Streamline Firefox Geek to Live: Consolidate Firefox's chrome those should give you a starting point

I am not getting these follow-up posts emailed to me even though i checked to have emails sent - so I didn't know there was more. I hope they keep supporting version 3 - since we have 5 xp computers between home and work. I do have FF4 on dd's laptop - but not quite sure how it's going for her. She said she didn't like it - and I offered to try above suggestions to make it appear more like she's familiar with. She wants me to in theory - but in reality never wants to hand over the computer to have me do it. When I have more leisure to try again, am I recalling correctly that I can have 2 firefoxes installed - one version 3, and one version 4? And I can use xmarks to sync bookmarks, etc. That way I can get used to ff4 - but go back to 3 for the times I need things to go smoothly and not tinker? Any special instructions for doing 2 firefoxes? Thank you. Lynn. PS - still wonder if anyone else if having the issue where responses don't get emailed to them. This happens now for all my posts the last month - on this and the cooking forum.

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