IF you have not been reading the thread on here about xp sp3 please do before you try to get sp3. IT is causing major problems on many comptuers. There is no rush to get sp3 and I personally would wait a while especially since the update centers are swamped right now. Here are a couple of articles that you may want to read. sp3 article on computerworld sp3 info sp3 article on infoweek Sp3 is not being pushed out in auto updates yet, if you have it set to notify you of updates it will show up there and let you choose to add it but they are not yet pushing it on through for those with it set to auto update. PLEASE READ up well before attempting to do this update. READ the info on which version of IE you are using, if you have IE7 installed it is advised to uninstall it prior to installing sp3. If you install sp3 and it messes up do NOT use system restore. There are repair steps to take. Please review the link to the thread here on GW for more info. Here is a link that might be useful: sp3 thread

Windows can be logged into by any account, even the Guest account, and it will update to match the update settings that were last set by an administrative user..

DA, Thanks, I did look at both IE and FF, and there are security functions that could block, e.g., Trusted and Not Trusted lists for IE, something similar for FF. I found a number of Adobe based URLs that were on the "bad guy list".. I think they had dashes instead of dots as one giveaway. The problem with the Virtual account may be related, as it uses Flash Player - Adobe stuff. I'll scrub the installation web site for more guidance on what I have to have.

thanks writersblock tibbrix, I've been using Finish Powerball Quantum Max for probably as long as it's been out (or as soon as I saw it). It's worked best in all categories. But, I have an awesome dw too so that's part of it. The Quantum Max is part powder and (red and white part) and the blue is a liquid-y gel. I can open my dw right after it's finished (I use the dry cycle) and everything is dry except if there are any glasses that are holding water in the indention on the bottom of the glass. I just use a paper towel to soak that up. All plastics are dry and of course everything is clean clean clean! I've had my KA KUDE dw for about 6 or 7 years and I tell it EVERY day that it's my favorite appliance EVER. Not just fav dw, but favorite appliance in my 37 years of being a housewife :) The extra size and the 3rd rack for silverware (allowing the removal of the silverware basket) makes for a crazy amt of dishes and silverware to fit at one time. Haven't had any problems with "gel"...knock on wood!