Hi Kitty, I noticed the same thing with another rose, King's Ransom. It showed up on an earlier release list as VID (and on the list of roses in stock as of 8/29/12) but not on the website with that designation. Only one King's Ransom showed up, sans VID, and that one is listed as being "currently available". No other King's Ransom is listed as "custom root". Chrysler Imperial seems to be a similar case. "VID" is the designation for roses that have been treated by UC Davis. There doesn't seem to be a code like that used for roses that have gone through the heat treatment program at Florida Southern College (Malcolm Manners). Interestingly enough, one can do a search on the Vintage website for VID by putting those letters in the name box on the search page here, http://www.vintagegardens.com/rose_index.aspx That will produce a list of roses shown on Vintage's website as being "VID", both currently available and custom root (a list that doesn't necessarily match the release lists sent via email or the downloadable availabilty list). However, there doesn't appear to be a way to use that search function to find roses that have come via Florida Southern College/Malcolm Manners. Marechal Niel happens to be one of them, but I found this out by pure chance, by clicking on the page for Marechal Niel at Vintage, and reading the text, here: http://www.vintagegardens.com/roses.aspx?cat_id=37&product_id=2581 Which says this: "Malcolm Manners gave us this virus-free clone of Marechal Niel, long one of our favorite roses which had never performed strongly; this form is quite vigorous and flowers incessantly. Deep golden-lemon flowers with recurving petals, the flowers holding a goblet shape and nodding effectively from above. Fragrant." I bought a Bourbon rose, Madame Pierre Oger from Vintage last year, partially based on its page description: http://www.vintagegardens.com/roses.aspx?cat_id=3&product_id=138 "A sport of Reine Victoria and extremely popular. One of the "Shell Roses," with very cupped smallish flowers of ivory usually distinctly edged cerise pink, everblooming. Now a new clean virus-free clone has been made available by our dear friend, Siegfried Hahn." However, this beg's the question, how would one search for this information, and where did this plant from Siegfried Hahn get treated/tested free of RMV? Back to King's Ransom and Chrysler Imperial, I checked the pages on both at Vintage, and there is nothing in the text one way or the other about RMV. I can't find a policy on Rose Mosaic Virus on Vintage's website. Has anybody else? They really should have something. What IS their policy? Do they have roses which exhibit RMV symptoms or which they know have RMV? Which roses are they? What about roses they don't know the RMV status of? How is anyone able to tell the difference? And which roses came from Florida Southern's program????? With regard to roses which are available without RMV from either Davis or Florida Southern, does Vintage stock the RMV free roses, all the time, most of the time, some of the time? How is the rose shopper to know without Vintage making its position clear? Melissa

I will ignore your slander. For those who are interested in the truth,here is a link supplied to me from the ISHS it is in laymans terms,easy to understand. http://www.ishs.org/sci/icraname.htm And a quote from this article: "HOW CAN I PROTECT MY NEW NAME? Send a copy of your publication to the ICRA and to the main horticultural libraries in your part of the world. If you are feeling generous, send copies to similar libraries in other parts of the world too." Which BGI does for all who list there chosen name with BGI. I have also been told that if the chosen ICRA does not accept the list of Published names from BGI's Herald then they are in violation of their assigned duties and will have to answer to the ICRA. This is fact,written in stone by the ISHS(www.ishs.org) No matter what an individual may say. No one man is above the rules of the ICRA. Joelle Dewhurst Canadian VP Brugmansia Growers International Here is a link that might be useful: How to name a new cultiver as stated by the ISHS.

We are in a micro climate where we are 7 -10 degrees cooler than our local weather station radar which is 2 miles as a crow flies. I was experiencing cold burn and other issues on some plants and the local weather station would report above freezing. Finally, I bought my own weather station and realized the temperature difference. Even if my area is upgraded to zone 8A, I know my gardens will always be a 7.

I love IMC and I think Fantasia is beautiful. They are both very unique. I also love red plumeria, they are some of my very favorite. However, in no way could I ever afford to play for one of these. Even at 89 their not in my budget. That being said, I totally get wanting to be the first to own it. More power to you if you want it and can afford to buy it. I only hope the lucky owner will proudly share pictures of their first blooms. In the meantime, I'm going to sit back and enjoy watching the bidding while looking for some plumeria on clearance. I'm saving my nickels and pennies for Aurora Borealis (right - in my wildest dreams ;)! GOOD LUCK to the three of you who are bidding!!!!