and remember for Java you can always simply go to your control panel select the java icon there then go to the update area in that and update from there that way you know it is safe. Extremely important to check and make sure you only have the latest version of Java and none of the old ones that are security risks. Running JavaRa can handle that task. JavaRa Updates and Removes Old and Redundant Java Versions as to all those toolbars and extra crud they try to push on you now, well if you choose to download your apps from ninite you will not have to deal with that they strip it and give you only what you want and need. Here is a link that might be useful: ninite

You must have an extension of firefox forbiding java. I use the noscript extension and had to click the options button and temporarily allow sun.com, but was able to explore the whole site, including rotating the molecule with firefox.

Oh RavenCajun, I'm trying to stay calm but hubby is going to freak if I have to tell him I got Trojans on a practically new computer. *taking deep breaths* You're right (again! lol)....some of these programs seem to automatically download things I didn't want. In the Remove programs area I found things that I knew could be included with other items I downloaded but I never wanted them, but there they were! Examples: Open Office, Google Toolbar, Yahoo Toolbar, Webshots something-or-other, etc. I promise to be much more careful in the future by making sure to inspect for something that is checked as if I want it, but don't. Even though I "Remove Selected" on everything, this info below shows "no action taken". This is the log that Popped Up Automatically when I clicked "Remove Selected": Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware 1.30 Database version: 1328 Windows 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 10/27/2008 12:15:08 PM mbam-log-2008-10-27 (12-14-53).txt Scan type: Quick Scan Objects scanned: 43155 Time elapsed: 4 minute(s), 47 second(s) Memory Processes Infected: 0 Memory Modules Infected: 0 Registry Keys Infected: 4 Registry Values Infected: 6 Registry Data Items Infected: 14 Folders Infected: 1 Files Infected: 9 Memory Processes Infected: (No malicious items detected) Memory Modules Infected: (No malicious items detected) Registry Keys Infected: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Ext\Stats\(030a0f33-5b99-482e-83f5-2eeb8457878b) (Trojan.BHO) -> No action taken. HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Ext\Stats\(9034a523-d068-4be8-a284-9df278be776e) (Trojan.Zlob) -> No action taken. HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Ext\Stats\(144a6b24-0ebc-4d89-bf09-a06a718e57b5) (Trojan.Zlob) -> No action taken. HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\SearchScopes\(daed9266-8c28-4c1c-8b58-5c66eff1d302) (Search.Hijack) -> No action taken. Registry Values Infected: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Toolbar\WebBrowser\(144a6b24-0ebc-4d89-bf09-a06a718e57b5) (Trojan.Zlob) -> No action taken. HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\New Windows\Allow\*.securewebinfo.com (Trojan.Zlob) -> No action taken. HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\New Windows\Allow\*.safetyincludes.com (Trojan.Zlob) -> No action taken. HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\New Windows\Allow\*.securemanaging.com (Trojan.Zlob) -> No action taken. HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run\wblogon (Trojan.Zlob) -> No action taken. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Explorer\Run\start (Trojan.Zlob) -> No action taken. Registry Data Items Infected: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\SearchURL (Hijack.Search) -> Bad: (http://windiwsfsearch.com) Good: (http://www.google.com/) -> No action taken. HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\SearchURL (Hijack.Search) -> Bad: (http://windiwsfsearch.com) Good: (http://www.google.com/) -> No action taken. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main\Default_Search_URL (Hijack.Search) -> Bad: (http://windiwsfsearch.com) Good: (http://www.google.com/) -> No action taken. HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main\Default_Search_URL (Hijack.Search) -> Bad: (http://windiwsfsearch.com) Good: (http://www.google.com/) -> No action taken. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main\Search Page (Hijack.Search) -> Bad: (http://windiwsfsearch.com) Good: (http://www.google.com/) -> No action taken. HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main\Search Page (Hijack.Search) -> Bad: (http://windiwsfsearch.com) Good: (http://www.google.com/) -> No action taken. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main\Search Bar (Hijack.Search) -> Bad: (http://windiwsfsearch.com/ie6.html) Good: (http://www.google.com/) -> No action taken. HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main\Search Bar (Hijack.Search) -> Bad: (http://windiwsfsearch.com/ie6.html) Good: (http://www.google.com/) -> No action taken. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main\SearchMigratedDefaultURL (Hijack.Search) -> Bad: (http://windiwsfsearch.com/search?q=(searchTerms)) Good: (http://www.google.com/) -> No action taken. HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main\SearchMigratedDefaultURL (Hijack.Search) -> Bad: (http://windiwsfsearch.com/search?q=(searchTerms)) Good: (http://www.google.com/) -> No action taken. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search\SearchAssistant (Hijack.Search) -> Bad: (http://windiwsfsearch.com) Good: (http://www.google.com/) -> No action taken. HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search\SearchAssistant (Hijack.Search) -> Bad: (http://windiwsfsearch.com) Good: (http://www.google.com/) -> No action taken. HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\SearchUrl\w\ (Hijack.Search) -> Bad: (http://windiwsfsearch.com/search?q=%s) Good: (http://www.google.com/) -> No action taken. HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\SearchUrl\w\ (Hijack.Search) -> Bad: (http://windiwsfsearch.com/search?q=%s) Good: (http://www.google.com/) -> No action taken. Folders Infected: C:\Windows\System32\675873 (Trojan.BHO) -> No action taken. Files Infected: C:\Users\Lady\My Documents\My Music\My Music.url (Trojan.Zlob) -> No action taken. C:\Users\Lady\My Documents\My Pictures\My Pictures.url (Trojan.Zlob) -> No action taken. C:\Users\Lady\My Documents\My Videos\My Video.url (Trojan.Zlob) -> No action taken. C:\Users\Lady\My Documents\My Documents.url (Trojan.Zlob) -> No action taken. C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Antivirus Scan.url (Trojan.Zlob) -> No action taken. C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Online Spyware Test.url (Trojan.Zlob) -> No action taken. C:\Users\Public\Desktop\Antivirus Scan.url (Rogue.Link) -> No action taken. C:\Users\Public\Desktop\Online Spyware Test.url (Rogue.Link) -> No action taken. C:\Users\Lady\Favorites\Antivirus Scan.url (Rogue.Link) -> No action taken. Also, before reading your post I hand-copied some things that showed up in my Free AVG when it automatically scanned in the wee hours of this morning. Trojan Fake Alfert - IEBT " Media-Codec " Media-Codec/V4 " SmitFraudVariant/IE Anti-Spyware " Unclassified/ALGG " Unclassified-Packed/Suspicious " Downloader ZLOB_r.DE " " " " DO " " " " DF " Generic7.BDKJ Adware Media-Codec/ZLOB And even though I thought the bad stuff was gone and I've started with a fresh reboot, when I am in IE7, it freezes and I get one of two messages: APPCRASH or APPHANGB1 Of course I went to WebShots and sure 'nuff, there was the big box with the message "This page will not function properly without enabling Java". gggrrrrr!

it sounds to me like everything is downloading properly and is showing the download completed dialog box pop up but you just do not know where to find where the items have been sent to on your pc. As zep stated go to the zip file you saved and double click on it to extract the file simple as that. YOU must find the location of where you have your pc set to save your downloads. IE will give you the run or save dialog box Firefox will not it only gives you the save file dialog box and you must have it set up where to save your files to. To find out where you have yours set to go do this in firefox: Tool>options>MAIN tab> under downloads area make sure you have a check mark in Show the download window when downloading a file: Next is the option to select where the file goes, this is where your files will be going if you have a selection there in that box. You can change that to desktop or where ever you want the files to go to. OR you can put a check mark in the next item which is Always ASK ME WHERE TO SAVE FILES. Always hit OK when changing any items. This is what I choose to do that way each time I can tell it exactly where I want that file to go. I have a my downloads folder and in there I have individual folders for what every program I am downloading. If you go to the above and find what it lists as your current location for where it is set to store the downloaded files you will find there all these files you have been downloading. If you do not know how to open a zip file then you need to familiarize yourself with that. but if you are using windows xp it has a built in zip opener just double click on the zip file! "Opening a Zip file If you're using Windows XP, then your operating system has built-in support for Zip files. They are described as "Compressed (zipped) folders." Just double-click on a Zip file and it will open in Explorer, just like a folder. Double-click on a file inside the compressed folder and you may be able to open that too (but really, Windows has extracted a copy of the file to another location and is opening that, as described above.) But if you right-click on items in a compressed (zipped) folder, you'll notice that the same options don't appear on the pop-up menu. This shows that it is not a real folder." Opening a Zip file you do not need any other application to open a zip file no need to download any thing since windows already has one built in.