Speaking only for myself, I don't find a 20-character password inconvenient in the least. Most of my passwords, as noted, are over 35 characters. PWs for some accounts are over 60. Though I use LP for general storage of them, I can easily reproduce them manually if I need to do so. In any case I find it odd that some can treat the email account so cavalierly. (I don't say that as if I'm some kind of expert. My username is most fitting in this whole discussion. Instead, I say it as someone perpetually interested in the whole issue of email and online security.) :-) While some may use email only for getting their AOL 'joke of the day,' an email account is, of course, much more. It's been called the skeleton key to one's online identity. (Didn't mean to rhyme that.) ;-) E.g. take Amazon. If you go to Amazon to login and click that you forgot your password, Amazon will send a password reset to your back-up email address. Just like that. No further identification or security procedure at all. Amazon assumes you are in control of that back-up account. But what if you're not ? What if that account is the very one that has been hacked because of having too simplistic/crackable of a password ? Then the hacker can easily gain access to your Amazon account while in control of your email account. It may not be an inconvenience for snidely and others to have an email account and an Amazon account compromised. But what if other Amazon account holders do find it so, and what if they even have a gift card credit in that account ? The hacker can now order whatever he wants on your credit. And while looking through your email account the hacker can see what other services etc. you belong to. And many of those places will allow passwords to be reset just as easily as Amazon will. Imagine the implications, the pervasive compromises, that can result. Maybe during the night while you're asleep. Allll that time to do whatever he wants with your account. Others' mileage may vary, of course, and I fully respect that. :-) But I personally don't evaluate the importance of my email account by the types of emails I receive or how often I get email, but by the services that require my having that account and that depend for their so-called security on my having access to it. The more of a "junk" account it is, the more likely it's used for those services which, if compromised, would lead to a nightmare of multiple account recovery. And in all this I most definitely prefer the ounce (or two) of prevention to the pound of cure (or would it be "pounding" in this case ?) IOW, I don't want to be Chicken Little and lose sleep at night over all this (and I don't). But neither do I want to be careless, not if being careful only means making some simple changes (like increasing the size/complexity of my PWs and maybe using an otherwise reputable and reliable password manager). Just my two cents (or is it cents-less ?) ...

OK, rmlanza, not invisible...but probably the best solution I could imagine for a situation with no backsplash. I like it! We had a similar challenge with a very large, triangular island. A triangular section of the island was lowered by three inches to serve as DW's baking center (easier to roll dough on a lower counter). Fortunately, we were able to snug a plugmold into a small space between the upper and lower counters so that it's partially obscured by the overhang. But if that opportunity hadn't presented itself, I would've opted for your solution. Bob

Hey Tech, Got a bee in your bonnet? Sorry if we offend you... Out in the country, we've always recycled. Didn't get into 'organized' recycling until I lived in a city. Call me ignorant, but for most of my life I have either been in school or in such a high stress job (meaning working 60 to 70 hours a week) that while I thought of our environment, I did so rather casually - that's all the time I had to spare for it. What does frustrate me is that super conglomerates dictate our lives by being convenient. Easier to go buy gas than to think of what car/truck manufacturers did 75 to 80 years ago to insure that we'd buy those babies...and the oil/gas companies around that shored them up. My father made his living growing an evil weed...tobacco... And it was the only thing he could grow that would bring enough money to keep his family clothed, housed, fed and educated. It breaks my heart to think of him, and my neighbors. They could be growing food...but, we expect grocery prices to be soooo cheap. No way to earn a living producing food. I would very much like some geniuses to devise equipment that could use corn or soybeans to fuel not only cars/trucks, but also to run heating systems and the like. It would help our enviroment in more than one way. Maybe talking about it here will encourage a few more people to think of it. And, as far as I'm concerned, a penny earned can be a penny saved, so to speak, with regard to our environment...and our pocketbooks...and with saving farmland. If you have particular problems with me, for any reason, please feel free to take it away from the forum...email me privately. I'm personally happy that there's a stained glass/mosaic forum. Please do not run the newbies away... I, and others too, appreciate the help and info from others, especially those who have more experience in whatever our 'projects' are. I've said before, and I'll say it again, now, I know I'm a newbie with much to learn. I don't feel welcome at GJ anymore...I'm not posting there anymore. Please, play nice. Kimmy

Well, Golly....I must confess.....I have visited Hot Topics this morning and I think that many of the "trolls" have gone into hiding. I put my "rose colored glasses" back in place and have bought into the "up-lifting" showmanship that took place last night. I am healing. My faith in the "humanity" of my country has been given a the first attempts at CPR....and I am breathing more easily. All of these months of such bruising and bleeding of my beloved democracy has endured.....HOPE has been given a life saving breath. My Goodness, if this is a "Hollywood Machine" using those long used platitudes to create those feelings of hope and patriotism and all those things I have believed about my country.....well, bring it on. Touch our hearts....they (our hearts) need to be made to feel good again. Bring on our tears....they (the tears) can dilute the message that our country was so critically ill. The BEST of our belief system was shouted to the world last night. I feel good today..... that enough of us really care about the least among us. That enough of us DO believe that our country stands for more than making the wealthiest among us the most powerful. That enough of us believe that equality and freedom for all ,are the goals worth giving our lives for.