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Toyota Recalls Double in '05

Posted by cowboyind (My Page) on
Sun, Dec 4, 05 at 14:23

Toyota's recalls went from 1.1 million on 2004 to 2.2 million in 2005.

But the accompanying article says -- accurately: "Automakers and analysts say that with more automobiles using shared parts or platforms, recall data does not always reflect a vehicle's quality or safety attributes."

So perhaps it's not appropriate to bash the U.S. automakers every time they have a recall, either.

Full article available at: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10286388/


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RE: Toyota Recalls Double in '05

Bashing does no good, is destructive. What is constructive is finding exactly what is wrong and why and then taking action..Sometimes the recall can be over a silly triviality ; motor vehicles are now extremely complex - to manufacturer them perfectly at a reasonable price is nigh impossible..
Maybe that microscope should be moved further away from the car-makers and a bit closer to the law makers..


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RE: Toyota Recalls Double in '05

If you care to listen to the analysts from Wall Street (ex: CNBC), the US manufacturers are closing the gap in quality, but still aren't quite there yet...

TJ


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RE: Toyota Recalls Double in '05

Hi Ken.

Your right, the US auto makers getting bashed everytime they have a recall is wrong. But isn't it funny that this qualifier isn't recognized until someone is trying to justify a high number of recalls for Toyota?

Just like the electric steering assist. If it was an Asian car company coming out with it, I could just hear the raves about how advanced they are. But since it's GM that has led the way, well, a little search right here in this forum will show you the attitude.

When everything is really looked at objectively, every car out there today is leaps and bounds better than anything that was made five years ago or more. That does not mean there won't be issues, and the recalls are the industries way to be consumer friendly, as well as consumer responsible. They should be applauded for having and using this system.

Lastly, greater car sales means greater exposure for trouble. There is a price to be paid for being the #2, or #1 automaker in the country in the form of both reliability reports, and quality complaints. Mark my words, Toyota will pay a price for the status they are chasing, and people will undoubtably try and claim that Toyota must be going cheap and thats why they see larger numbers of failures than they used to. When in fact, it will simply be a result of the number of cars that they get out there, and this recall count is just a small example of that.

As an aside, I have a 94 Cadillac SDN/Deville to work on today. If the average consumer knew just how much technology is built into this car they would be amazed. While I still say across the board, the cars of today are much better than they were five years ago, only a couple of the asain cars come close to the computers, and communication power built into this car, and it's 12 year old technology to GM!!


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RE: Toyota Recalls Double in '05

American cars are as good as foreign cars? So I guess that Chevy with the v-tec type 4 cylinder engine,six speed tranny and fuel economy around 30mpg will be in the dealers any day now!


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So I guess that Chevy with the v-tec type 4 cylinder engine,six speed tranny and fuel economy around 30mpg will be in the dealers any day now!

So I guess that Subaru that can carry nine people, generate heat immediately in the north woods, and tow 8500 pounds will be in the dealers any day now!


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RE: Toyota Recalls Double in '05

That's my point.American manufacturers excell at making the best trucks,while foreign companies make the better cars!And if you want a particular vehicle to tow or an affordable,economical car to hit the twisties you must either buy American or foreign respectively. When Honda and Toyota expand their business and American companies close plants and lay off thousands,it says a lot about what cars the consumers think are the better value for their dollar.


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RE: Toyota Recalls Double in '05

LOL Steve..

As far as the GM 6 spd transmission goes, try this nine7xbam

http://washingtontimes.com/autoweekend/20051124-011227-3737r.htm

Hmmm, imagine that Ford and GM working together on yet another project. Now as far as 30mpg cars, they have several already, sure they are only 5 speeds but they do have them.

As far as Vtec goes, do you know what V-tec means? Are you aware of how many different vehicles have variable camshaft timing these days? (Foreign and domestic)

BTW which automaker had the first five speed automatic in mass production? Hint it was someone here in the US.


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Yes I know what a variable valve engine is and the American car companies offer zero 4 cylinder engines with that technology.And I meant a standard six speed(available in the Vette,Viper,and Ford GT,but nothing else),not an auto,mated to an economical 4 cylinder engine.I wonder how many of the foreign car haters will still buy GM products if the rumors of Toyota taking them over ever came true?


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toyota and g.m. have been partners for several years already. they have the plant in california, where they built the corola/prizm and now the vibe/matrix, also where my tacoma pickup came from. alot of toyotas use delco parts. so if toyota was looking at company to expand parts of g.m. would be a good bet.


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nine7xbam said "Yes I know what a variable valve engine is and the American car companies offer zero 4 cylinder engines with that technology"

You might want to recheck your information sources. While not the only one, the first one that comes to mind for me is in the Escort/Contour/Mystique platform. Want to guess how long it's been available?


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The Ford Escort,Contour,or Mercury Mystique are no longer made,try again.Maybe you're confusing 4 valve per cylinder engines with variable valve timing ? Ford has variable-cam timing,but only available in a V-8.

Here is a link that might be useful: Variable Valve Technology


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No I'm not confusing anything.

Lets start with a 2006 Saturn Ion Quad Coupe.

170-horsepower, 2.4-liter, DOHC, 16-valve, 4-cylinder engine with Variable Valve Timing (Available on ION3 as part of the Enhanced Performance Package.)
As part of the Enhanced Performance Package, the 170-horsepower, 2.4-liter engine comes with Variable Valve Timing, which increases torque throughout the rpm while providing outstanding fuel efficiency.

The link you provided is for Fords Newest addition to the group, not the limit of their production.

From Ford Fusion website:

The 2.3L 16-valve Duratec I4 delivers 160 horsepower and top-notch fuel economy, EPA estimated 23 mpg city/31 hwy. Its teamed with a standard 5-speed manual transaxle or optional 5-speed automatic. Four valves per cylinder and dual overhead camshafts with intake variable cam timing (iVCT) enhance engine breathing and improve performance.

There are more....


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The engine in the Fusion is made by Mazda,which Ford owns about 25% of,and although there's not much on the web about the Ion 3 it's engine is almost identical(170 horsepower vs. 160 on the TC,both are 2.4 liters with dual overhead cams) to the one in the Scion TC.And the TC is a Toyota product,Toyota having an affiliation with GM.I'll post proof if I find it.


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FWIW. A very pertinent article from The Car Connection's Daily Edition:

"Detroit Needs More Than Healthcare Cuts?

General Motors, Ford and even the Chrysler Group need to look beyond cuts in healthcare benefits as they restructure if they plan to regain strength in the automotive industry, says one of the industry's top observers.

Laurie Harbour-Felax, a consultant and analyst who studies the domestic industry extensively, said that domestic carmakers still have a long way to go to catch their top Japanese competitors.

During the first part of the 2005, Nissan made $1,826 per vehicle sold while GM lost $1,227, a gap of $3,300. Even the profitable Chrysler Group made only a fraction of Nissan's per-vehicle profit, at $186 per vehicle, said Harbour-Felax, who was a principal in Harbour & Associates for many year before setting up her own firm this year.

To keep pace with Asian competitors, domestic carmakers must figure out ways to use more common parts and vehicle architectures and limit warranty expenses and recall costs, which are still too high now despite the substantial improvements in quality.

American companies score much better in initial quality surveys but the longer-term quality that shapes public perception of a vehicle and a company still seems to lag behind. Domestic carmakers spend between $200 to $300 more per vehicle on recalls and that has to be eliminated, she said. Harbour-Felax suggested domestic automakers have to learn to work more closely with their suppliers and treat them as part of the solution, not the problem."

TJ

Here is a link that might be useful: TheCarConnection.com / Daily Edition Dec 19 2005


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In buying a motor home which would be best preformance/upkeep wise: gas or diesel engines?


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RE: Toyota Recalls Double in '05

Diesels tend to offer more torque down low -- useful if you're towing or do a fair amount of stop-and-go driving. Diesels generally also offer better fuel mileage than an "equivalent" gasoline engine. And, because they have to deal with high compression, they generally are built tougher. Diesels also dispense with ignition systems as they exist on gasoline engines. Some diesels, however, may require synthetic oil, which is more expensive than the "dinosaur" kind.


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