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Replacing Chevy Belt Tensioner

Posted by mileena3 (My Page) on
Fri, Sep 23, 05 at 23:08

Hey everyone,

I have a 91 Chevy Cavalier 4-door sedan (4 cylinder) with 190,000 miles on it. All of a sudden, after starting the car, I heard a loud squealing. I checked under the hood, and the serpentine belt is very slack. I used a 15 mm wrench to adjust the idler pulley upwards, to make the belt tight, but merely pressing down on the belt with my hand makes the pulley go back down again, and the belt becomes loose. The belt itself appears fine. I guess I need a new belt tensioner??

Just an FYI: on my car, the belt connects the crankshaft pulley, water pump, alternator, power steering pump, and idler pulley. The idler pulley is held in place by one 15 mm bold, and it is supposed to tension the belt
automatically. Up to now, it has.

After consulting the offical Chevy shop manual, it appears that replacing the tensioner is an easy fix. Just remove the belt, PS pump, and loosen two alternator bolts. I have done quite a bit of work on my car myself, such as replacing tie rod ends, rear springs, valve cover gasket, water pump, radiator, brake calipers, brake lines, etc., so this does not worry me.

I am worried, however, that the PS pulley have to be removed to access the PS pump bolts. The pulley is rather large. It's dark out now, so I can't tell for sure, but it appears I will have to remove the pulley to access the bolts?? Can I still leave the hoses attached so I don't have to bleed?

Is there a temp fix I can use just to make my car driveable, so I can get to the parts store?

I suppose if all the pulleys suddenly stopped turning while driving, the only harm would be the coolant not circulating, and the consequent overheating, right? As well as the draining of the battery, although I have a professional charger for that.

Thanks for any help!

Julie


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RE: Replacing Chevy Belt Tensioner

Another thing I am wondering is this:

The manual says never apply more than 30 lb. ft of torque when turning the idler pulley bolt to remove or install the serpentine belt. But how does one know how much torque one is applying? I always use a 15 mm box-end wrench. It is almost impossible to fit a socket/ratchet over the bolt, given the wheel well inner body interferes. I once got a 1/4" ratchet/socket over the bolt, but it was hard to get off.

Also, I notice there is a groove in the belt tensioner from the belt apparently rubbing against it. But the belt itself is fine. This has been going on for a few years now, and never happened before. I am wondering if I somehow caused this problem, because:

a) One of the bracket bolts has always been missing from my alternator set up. When I replaced my alternator a few years ago, I put that bolt in, but then there was another place that had previously had a bolt where I was no longer able to get the bolt in. But there are enough other bolts holding it in place where I feel it is fine. You can't even budge the alternator by pushing it.

b) In 1999, I removed the idler tensioner pulley just for the hell of it, as I replaced my water pump. I reinstalled it, and torqued it to spec. I hope I wasn't supposed to line anything up!?


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RE: Replacing Chevy Belt Tensioner

I do not know if this GM design is similar or the same as the one used on the '94 -'98 Saab 900 or not..
I suspect that it is, both are GM designs...
Here, to release the serpentine belt tension, one uses a 1/2" lever to move the spring loaded tensioner and a 6 mm pin to hold the unit..
The pulley bearings are know to wear out - even to the point of being replaced every 50,000 miles !
Why not just pull the whole tensioner and examine it.

If the power steering pulley is actually in the way ( but aren't there access hole in this pulley?) it may have to be removed.
I think the PS pump can be lifted out of the way using Bungee cords, no need to disconnect anything....


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RE: Replacing Chevy Belt Tensioner

Thanks earthworm! I am replacing the entire belt tensioner, but have to remove the PS pump first to get it off.

The only thing I am having trouble with now is getting one last bolt off that holds the power steering pump, which you have to remove to remove the tensioner. It is in the back of the pump, on the opposite side where the pulley is.

In the meantime, I have removed so much stuff just to be able to get this tensioner off, it is ridiculous:

PCV valve hose
Canister hose/line
Both PS pump hoses (I did not want to have to do that!)
Coolant overflow tank
Two alternator bolts
Belt
Idler pulley

What should be an easy job has turned out to be a big one!

Now back to that final PS pump bolt: the problem is it is almost impossible
to access:

a) On the side of the pump facing the front of the car is the cylinder head, which prevents a wrench from fitting.

b) On the side opposite the PS pump pulley, 1/2" away there is a vertical
heater hose attached to the bottom of the head/intake manifold, and there is one of those annoying spring-type clamps holding it on. The problem is access is so tight, it is impossible to maneuver pliers in there from any
angle, including those special pliers for removing the spring-type clamps. And the prongs of the clamp are only 1/4" or so from the wall of the PS pump, and deep down from the top. And one of the prongs is under the manifold! (The problem is I cannot get to the PS pump bolt from the top
unless I remove the heater hose. But I cannot remove the heater hose unless I remove the PS pump! Catch-22. The manufacturer must have assembled the intake manifold/heater hose together as a unit, without regard to where the
spring-clamp faced???)

c) And finally, if I try to access the PS pump from under the car, it will be very hard, as it is high up, with almost no room to fit my hand in around the exhaust pipe, oil filter, cross-member, etc. Although I admit I have not
tried this yet.

d) On the side of the PS pump facing the firewall, there is a bracket attached to the PS pump holder bracket that makes accessing the final PS pump bolt hard. I could disconnect this bracket (I have already disconnected one side at the PS pump holder bracket), but here is the weird part: no
wrench will fit over the nut holding the other end of the bracket in place! I have tried 10, 11, 12, and 13 mm. I have also tried 7/16" and 1/2". 11 and 12 mm seem too big. 10 is too small. Same with 7/16" and 1/2". The problem is I really cannot see the nut to see what the problem is, since the nut is over a vertical stud attached to the bottom of the intake manifold, and the nut is facing down, towards the ground. I assume it is a hex nut I think it feels like one, but it is hard to completely feel, since I cannot get my fingers all the way around it. You know what? It looks like one of those nut caps that my car uses to hold the thermostat housing in place: capped hex nut, with a star shaped design protruding out on the cap part. Really weird. But it is supposed to be torqued 48 lb. ft., which seems like a lot for a small nut, although it is ultimately connected to an engine mount.

If I only could get that nut and bracket out of the way, then I would be able to turn a wrench to get the final PS pump bolt out.

Another problem is, assuming I can find the right size wrench or socket, this nut is torqued to around 48 lb. ft., and there is limited access to get a 3/8" ratchet in there to loosen it. A 1/4" ratchet will not have enough torque. And maybe not even a 10 mm wrench. Perhaps I will have to remove the blower motor too.

I just don't know what to do.

Julie


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RE: Replacing Chevy Belt Tensioner

most autoparts stores sell a new type of socket/ratchet combo that has sockets that mount into the ratchet instead of on a 3/8 or 1/4 square drive, theese will give you the tourque you need, and still clear tight spots, as only the depth of the socket itself needs to fit into the space.
wow I can't belive something that fails as often as a tentioner needs the PS Pump removed to replace. what a crappy design! make sure it is true before you go to all the trouble to get the PS pump out.
John


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Thanks John! I will keep an eye out for those special ratchets with sockets.

I actually just installed the new belt tensioner. I was able
to access that one PS pump bolt from a downward-back angle. It was a pain aligning the tensioner plate with 9 different bolt holes, but I finally did it! Only one problem now: the belt won't fit on, but I will start a new thread about that.


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I found a chevy belt tensioner which is of a low price and good quality. Might as well tell it to the rest so if ever someone needs one, they can easily get one.

Here is a link that might be useful: chevy parts


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RE: Replacing Chevy Belt Tensioner

If the Chevy Cavalier is like other older Chevy front wheel drivers, it probably has an access panel in the wheel well that would have made this job easier.


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91 Cavalier belt tensioner

Just did the job. Used a tensioner tool from Autozone to remove the belt. It fits easily in the cramped space provided by GM. Autozone(AZ) offers like a rental: You pay the $22 to buy it, and they guarantee you'll get a full refund if you want to return it after use.
Go ahead and remove the alternator, as it's in the way for when you are ready to remove the old tensioner assembly. Note: it is an assembly. Just look up the part online and you can see what it looks like before you begin, or buy it first. $45 at AZ
The three bolts behind the PS pump pulley accessed through holes in pulley. Easy to locate with a finger through the hole. Once loosened and turned all the way free, they are very difficult to grab onto and pull out. I finally wrapped electrical tape around middle finger, twisted it to get sticky side out AND put a small magnet under the last round of tape before twisting again to stick it on. This worked excellently to get the last screw out and I wish I had not wasted over 30 minutes turning on it with a finger for nothing.
Finally, having gotten the three bolts behind the PS pump pulley, and the ones associated with the alternator and the ones easily visible, there is just one left.
It's half under and half outside the right outer circumferance of the PS pump pulley. To get it, you only need to loosen the one bolt behind the PS Pump. That enables you to lean the pump toward the firewall. Some wiggling of the pulley versus the pump and finally able to get my 1/2 inch socket on that bolt.
NOTE: The bolt behind the PS pump, the only one you need to mess with to lossen the pump: a 3/8 open wrench too small. a 10 metric too large. Don't try the 10mm as you may strip that bolt.
I took a longer 3/8 wrench to access from top down, and I used a flat file and filed down the insides of that wrench a hair and the wrench fit right on. Don't over file. a few minutes per side. You're basically creating a 49/128 wrench. You're going from a 3/8 at .375 to a .383 or so. It worked and I felt confident I wouldn't strip that bolt.
Only loosen the bolt. I dreaded the thought of removing it and having to put it back in, as leaving it in I didn't have to pull any hoses from the pump or the car. Didn't have to deal with the heater hose or that "annoying spring-type clamp".
Lastly, the enlosed insert that came with the new tensioner assembly advises cleaning that surface where the tensioner assembly will mate with the side of the engine. Mine did have some rust spots. Clean those all up for an even mating surface.
That's it so far.
This began with replacing an alternator, but battery still not charging. I bought some 10-12 guage wire and some terminals and some connectors and cut all four wires that go onto the starter terminal, EXCEPT FOR THE BIGGER MAIN WIRE THAT COMES DIRECTLY TO THE BATTERY. These four smaller wires were all connected on the same terminal of the starter and were fusible links for the last 6 inches or so there. I just cut them all, fashioned new ones, so to speak, and attached them. Now I know It can't be those.


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Its going to take diagnostic work to find out why the alternator is not charging. You'll need the circuit diagrams.

Assuming that all electrical leads are ok, this leaves the alternator and the circuits that supply the excitation current to the rotor.

This vehicle has 190,000 miles. Has the alternator ever beem changed? If not, its a good bet that the slip ring brushes are worn out. The two major failure items on an alternator are 1) blown rectifer diodes, and 2) slip ring brushes.


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RE: Replacing Chevy Belt Tensioner

Just finished putting it all together. Some nuances worth noting.
Put in four central bolts first, which includes the one the PS Pump pulley half blocks until you move it towards the firewall, as described above.
Put in the three bolts that go in behind the PS pump pulley next. Do this before you tighten the bolt behind the PS pump, as you will need to move it back and forth a bit to align the bolts. I again used my magnet method from above to insert the screws, with the pulley hole aligned and held in place with my other hand. Finger start, then finish w/ ratchet.
Note here: while I used electrical tape to hold the magnet on my finger, had to rewrap my finger with fresh tape each screw b/c I needed that hand w/o the tape there to screw in the bolt far enough to turn the pulley enough to align the next bolt. I had an after thought that maybe a tight rubber glove would have been easier, w/ magnet in the finger tip.
RE: the alternator, there is a bracket on top with a heat shield on the back of it. This makes it more difficult to screw on the wire that bolts onto the alt. And it makes it more difficult to hold that nut while putting in the bottom right(towards front of car)longest bolt.
If you slightenly loosen the bolt that holds that bracket to the exhaust manifold, you can pivot it upwards and get your hand in there from the top. Just be careful not to damage the electical wires to the alt.
Put in all bolts for alternator, which includes two into the tensioner assembly.
Also, my new tensioner assemply, a Dayco Model 226 design, b/c it was cheaper, uses a type of cam that protrudes a bit for the pulley to rotate against, whereas the one that came off uses a round knob to do that. AT first my heart began to panic as I couldn't get the tensioner turned enough clockwise to get the belt anywhere near on.
Relax. It's just the bolt tightening up before it begins to totally catch and turn the tensioner. I finally put a small piece of wide wood between the tensioner pulley and the pulley to its right and slightly lower. I moved the belt out of the way from both pulleys, put the wood there and put the 15 mm tool on and turned clockwise and felt the bolt tightening. Did this several times, then, finally, the tensioner began to work with the proper amount of tension, and the belt went on easily.
Lastly, I tightened the bolt behind the PS pump with the hand-filed 49/128 wrench (converted from a 3/8.)
I love going online to get help. It's funny, every problem mentioned above by mileena3 had to be dealt with. I hope I saved someone from giving up and made it easier too.


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RE: Replacing Chevy Belt Tensioner

First, did you replace the fusible links, with new correctly sized fusible links? Did you solder and heat shink the connections?

Bolts like the ones holding the power steering pump are easily installed by using a piece of paper as a shim to tighten the bolt in a socket and then use the socket as simply a handle for the bolt. The bolt that you described where you have to file a 3/8" wrench to make it fit, should be a 10mm. Either it's corroded undersized, or you 10mm wrench is damaged. (Or maybe a little of both)


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