deeredoctor: --------------- That was helpful ... I wish it was just a bit warmer outside (n.nj) Id go fiddle with the engine. I have a feeling this is something that will improve the starting on my Scotts... Q's: ---- ... Then continue past the same 1/4 inch drop of the piston as the single cyl engine. Im not quite clear in this procedure... It kinda sounds as if your telling me - with valve covers off and me spinning the crank Ill be able to determine TDC easier (makes sense - so far) ... Ill probably poke a screwdriver down the plug hole to approximate TDC... (or is the screwdriver a bad idea) i guess I could put my finger over the plug hole and feel for the compression stroke? Im wondering with the plugs out - will I be able to spin motor by hand ? how do the pros do this ? I assume its easier with 2 people - but I'm solo over here and Its likely ill be doing this alone... AND "the 1/4 drop of the piston" .... I need more details. Am I too assume the 1/4 drop ensures that both my valves are TRULY closed (on the power stroke) and therefore this is the best location to set the 4-6 clearances ? Mownie: ------- I was thinking about the TDC issue on a twin cylinder, obviously VERY important... Thanks for bringing that up as well !!! thanks again.

A little - no a lot confusing. JB weld works miracles. More simply for you, duct tape - seriously - you've said you don't care how it looks. As long as it's tight enough to maintain electrical contact, it should be ok. Just fold a little flap under so you can lift the tape to change the batteries. You can fix almost anything with duct tape, cable ties and JB weld: Here is a link that might be useful: Duct tape wallet

there is a plant propogation book i have wherein the author describes his own mist system. that author has a large black coil of hose in the roof of his greenhouse so that water can be heated before reaching the mist nozzles. that's at least one vote for using warm water and keeping the cuttings reasonably warm as they root. just thought i would toss that in! lol. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: mosaic z8 LA (My Page) on Sun, May 11, 03 at 11:59 With such a setup you could probably root roses under mist all winter here in Louisiana. And then as an added bonus, you could save on your power bills all summer by using it to steam your veggies :) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: tammyinwv z6/WV (My Page) on Sun, May 11, 03 at 16:05 i have been unable to find the mist heads even within an hr from my home.Someone mentioned here they found them for .50 each.would anyone be willing to get me a couple and mail them? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: wild_garden virginia z6b (My Page) on Sun, May 11, 03 at 16:32 at my lowes store the mist heads where in the indoor gardening area next to the register, i doubt the people at lowes would have even know what to look for. it was with the drip irrigation supplies, as i said in the indoor gardening area next to the big outdoor area where they sell trees and things. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mist heads supply source Posted by: RoseHawke 7b AL (My Page) on Mon, May 12, 03 at 10:37 For you folks that haven't been able to find the heads locally, try going to this site: Dripworks or here's a direct link to one of the pages with some heads:Misters . I just a couple of weeks ago ordered some irrigation supplies from them and received them quite quickly. About 4 days if I remember correctly. Haven't had a chance to put it together yet, which is probably just as well as the flood we had last week would've probably washed everything down the creek ;-). I also have the Melnor timer, and it does seem a bit confusing about its ability to do a mist cycle, but what you're doing is programing it to do one cycle (on in the am; off in the pm) and punching in a choice of watering pattern, in this case the off for 10" on for 2" pattern. I believe the idea behind the pattern was/is actually to help prevent water run-off when doing overhead watering by allowing the water to soak in between the on phases. I bought this particular timer though because when I looked at it my mind said "Ah! Mist!" (heh), even though the reason I bought it at the time was to keep a new patch of zoysia sod watered until it rooted in. My batteries did last all season last year, but it was only opening that valve 4x a day for 3 weeks, and then 1x every 4 days for a couple of months. I can see where a misting pattern of opening and closing that valve many times during the day may eat batteries, but as ShamanSherpa pointed out, it's still cheaper than a $100+ misting timer! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: patclem z7 (or 6) TN (My Page) on Fri, May 23, 03 at 8:32 Regardless of how much water it wastes, etc, I decided to experiment with misting. I am TERRIBLE at rooting cuttings. I've tried baggies. I've tried jars. I've tried special cutting trays with plastic domes. I've had one rooted cutting out of probably 50. I had the same problem finding true super-fine mist systems in the south. None at Lowe's, none at HD. They're not popular here because they don't have the same evaporating effect they have in less humid areas of the country - they make you wet here. Here's where I found mist heads. They didn't charge me anything for shipping. They were super-good to deal with online. Web Page - Phone/Fax 888-693-0578 Local/Fax (719) 495-2266 Qty: 4; Sku: 6W401; Product: Monarch Misting Nozzles M-1; Amount: $7.40 Qty: 4; Sku: 6W519; Product: Reducing Tee for Monarch Misting Nozzles; Amount: $4.40 You have to go to Lowe's or local hardware store and get a hose adapter, timers, 1/2" PVC, PVC caps, etc. I have mine set up with 2 mist heads, and about a 6' diameter section of my grass is soaked! I don't have mine on a timer yet. Results? I don't have any yet, except none of my cuttings have turned black yet. PS - I AM NOT AFFILIATED WITH THIS BUSINESS IN ANY WAY! Here is a link that might be useful: Mist Heads -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: fuselighter 7/WA (My Page) on Thu, May 29, 03 at 21:41 I am so excited about the misting bed. I went out and bought all the supplies today. Total cost was about $15 (my husband had PVC and elbows left over from installing the sprinkler system). I would like to go to an intermittent system eventually, but for now I am going with continuous. The water bill is not an issue because we have an irrigation system (there is an annual fee but it is not based on usage). I set the whole thing up in about an hour. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: debbinard Z4CO (My Page) on Sun, Jun 1, 03 at 10:54 Shamansherpa -- I could not open your picture! I live in Colorado, it gets very warm middle of June (up to upper 90's) and stays low humidity. We are on outsidewater restrictions 2xweek, so I'm not sure this method would fly. Am wondering how visible this is, or if inside is an option under lights. At any rate, I would like to propigate some rose cuttings now (is this a good time?) My daughter in law is moving and would love some plants from a rose with sentimental value. Is the rooting hormone used just the usual or special for roses? Thanks Deb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: mytrid Zone8b Florida (My Page) on Sun, Jun 1, 03 at 13:48 Deb, Maybe you could call your water extention office and see if you can get special permission, exsplain to them how little water it uses. Yes you use rooting hormone, there are many available. Dip and grow I here is supposed to be really good. I got some of the more exspensive stuff from a friend whom bought it threw rose imporium on line. But you can always use something like dip and grow. Deanna -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: rose_enthusiast z7 TX. (My Page) on Sun, Jun 1, 03 at 15:47 Hi there Deanna! It seems to me you've managed to help a lot of people with your invaluable info. And I would like to thank you for inspiring me to start a misting bed to root my cuttings. I have one question to add to the many others you've been getting though... What rose company is it that you get your rooting hormone from? Is it Rose Emporium or the Antique Rose Emporium? I would like to purchase this product as well, since you and this company are using this to successfully root your cuttings. Thanks Again, Carlos -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: mytrid Zone8b Florida (My Page) on Tue, Jun 3, 03 at 1:31 Carlos, Thank you but we should all thank AngieAnders, she is the one who did all the research and work to discover this method and then post it here for us last year! She truly diserves all the credit. I just wanted to keep any new people aware that have just started rooting this year. Best of luck all and don't forget to post your sucess! Deanna -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: epiphany z5b PA (My Page) on Tue, Jun 3, 03 at 9:28 I found the Arizona Mist system which is by Orbit as mentioned at Wal-Mart. It has 12' of tubing, end cap, six misting heads and hose adapter for $14.95. Of course, it is once again cold and wet here,......all of a balmy 56°. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: auntnana 6 TN (My Page) on Thu, Jun 5, 03 at 13:06 I ordered the misting heads mentioned above from Dripworks last year and they don't put out a fine mist as much as they do a fine spray/droplets. And even though I had a pressure regulator on there, I kept having a problem with the heads blowing off! (Their drippers work perfectly by the way so it's nothing against the company) I ordered foggers from Misty Mate this year and they put out a super fine fog. Perfect for propagation. They are a litte more expensive than the ones from Dripworks but worth it. And if you ask they will ship the misting heads for $1.50. I went to HD and bought a 10-24 tap and drill set (3.00) and drilled holes in my 1/2" cvpvc and the heads just screwed right in! I bought a Melnor timer at HD for $39 and it has 1 minute spray options so I've got it set for 1 minute every 10 minutes. Can't remember the model number but it's not the one on the HD website. I hope to finish my new propagation box soon. I built one on a stand this year so I can move it around easily. Wouldn't you know, HD has plastic sheeting made just for greenhouses that I used! It's not the real thick heavy stuff either. It's only 4mil and is crystal clear see-thru! Hopefully I'll be finished this week!

Hi I forgot to say about RTD that another way to use longer lead wire is using PT-1000 so resistance is bigger, but i think better idea would be using 4 wire configuration. Temperature sensing part of sensor is the tip of sensor. Some sensors might be put around something for example teflon to protect it, that might not be as wide range tolerant of temperatures as sensor itself. In temperature data logger i forgot to say one thing to look is what temperature range it records? Some temperature data logger is wireless so temperature data can be downloded without getting it to computer, if you have device to it. I think it is not big deal to get temperature data logger inside to download the data. Sorry i made mistake above thermistor information, i need to correct it. Sorry for the inconvience, was not intend to give wrong information. i said resistance decline when temperature decline. i meant resistance decline when temperature rise. Ken_adrian hi It depends how useful temperature data from other place is for you. If you would know how much your temperature difference is from weather station in airport, you could then take it into calculations, but do you know it? It might be different in different times and might be affected by wind and other things if they are different than weather station in airport. Yes it is said cold air flows downwards. Temperature fluctuation, you mean how much temperature vary in daily? As i said there is hourly weather data, minimum and maximum temperature from weather station in airport in U.S.A. It is up to you what are you thinking is important temperature information for you. I think i write here little more about thermistor. Thermistor can reduce their resistance 3-6% for 1 celsius decline. Thermistor are quite sensitive to temperature change, i saw on internet they can detect temperature change of 0,02 celsius (If device allow to show that resolution i think). I think using common sense higher the chance of resistance is for let's say 1 celsius temperature change more easily it is detected, thermistor can respond temperature change quite fast. Because thermistor have high resistance, it allows to use longer lead wire without affecting much of temperature reading. Thermistors have tolerance 0,1 and 0,2 celsius in 0-70 celsius and 0-100 celsius. Thermistors drift when they are subjected high temperature above 100 celsius. If thermistors are used below their maximum specified temperature, drift is minimal. In thermistor you need to look specified minimum and maximum temperature, also look 25 celsius resistance. If temperature is between 25 celsius and 100 celsius drift can be 0,02-0,15 celsius after 12 month continous use between 25 celsius and 100 celsius. If thermistor are subjected closer to their maximum temperature they begin drift more. So they do drift more than RTD, because RTD don't have this temperature limit if you stay with in temperature measurement range in RTD. Thermistor might be good choice if your temperature range is not high and you stay in specified minimimum and maximum temperature. As thermistor resistance decline when temperature rise, think what temperature you use it for. In outside in garden in U.S.A about 40 celsius would be enough. Many thermistors have higher to about 100 celsius maximum rating. If we think 1 celsius increase in temperature reduce say 1% resistance, higher 25 celsius resistance is better because that 1 celsius change would be then bigger. Bigger change would mean in common sense more easily detected smaller change in temperature, but i guess it don't mean perhaps much in gardening if you get 0,01 celsius more of temperature. They are accurate, sensitive sensors and cost less than RTD.