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Posted by sushipup (My Page) on Tue, May 26, 09 at 0:46
| I'd like to start a thread that might be a resource for people who are new to our forum. I note that time after time, caregivers will claim that their loved one does not have dementia, yet they report behaviors that lead others to say, oh, yes, that's a form of dementia.
Now there is another thing I notice, which is when a personality trait becomes intensified with age or illness. My own mother was a very insecure person. but my father was the steadying influence. The last 6 years of her life without him, she was increasingly paranoid about money and security, when she had no need to be. I could never reassure her that all was well. She was sharp, even at 95, but showed behaviors that were exaggerated and illogical. Dementia? Well, she was 95, and such changes in cognitive function are indeed called dementia.
I found this good article, and I'd like to discuss it with others here. Maybe our discussion can help people who come to our forum in the future. |
Here is a link that might be useful: geriatric dementia
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| My 81-yr old MIL lives with us, and although I'd rather she didn't, it's clear to my DH and I she isn't really capable of living on her own. It's equal parts physical, mental and emotional. The emotional part is cultural - she comes from a generation where women were defined solely by their husbands. Without him (stepdad died 8 yrs ago) she's rudderless, a helpless child who wants to be told what junk mail she can throw out, chauffered everywhere and dependent on someone else providing companionship. She's an extremely nice woman, for which I'm thankful, but conversely because she turned her brain off about 50 yrs ago, is totally unable to re-start the thinking process. She's also in denial about getting old - fought us about her hearing and eyesight, went into tears at the idea of switching doctors - which we made her do anyway, thankfully, as the new doctor is a geriatric specialist who's not only a real gem, he's only 5 minutes from our house and affiliated with the best hospital/emergency room in our immediate area. Because we are with her 24/7, we have seen evidence of mental decline that would have escaped us if she was still living independently. As a result of her ingrained habit of not thinking, her brain is literally "rusty". She can think, but it's really, really difficult for her. Where we see the decline is in her ability to compare two things - whether physical objects or actual ideas. She likes to do the Jumble in the newspaper - she literally aces it, because she's done it for 40 years every day. But a privacy notice from her credit card company completely flummoxes her. She can read the sentences aloud, but she just can't wrap her brain around which one is better/applicable to her. It's really very sad. My DH took her for a walk around the neighborhood recently and discovered she has a difficult time at certain 5-way intersections, because she can't tell from what directions the traffic is coming from. She is more and more easily confused. We can see that she has a habit of forming conclusions (trying to make sense of the world around her), refusing to give them up even when you must show her such a conclusion is wrong. She does not have Alzheimers. What she has is a diminishing mental capacity, a total lack of flexibility and adaptability to a world that continues to progress beyond what she can assimilate. In a way this type of dementia is the saddest of all, because it is a type YOU can personally prevent. You can keep mentally active, socially involved, and physically health, to slow down this mental rigidity. One thing I have noticed is that she has absolutely no idea of nutrition. She honestly believed she was getting sufficient calcium in her diet by using Mocha Mix (the non-dairy product) in her coffee and on her Cheerios! Not surprising she has serious osteoporosis. When she first came to live with us I would take her grocery shopping with me, but quickly stopped. She tries to buy all kinds of junk food products, saying "Oh, my son likes chocolate, so this package is just right, it only has six banana-chocolate muffins" - yeah, six transfat-loaded artificially flavored sugar-fat bombs....hmmm, thanks but no thanks. The NYTimes ran a great article recently titled "At the Bridge Table, Clues to a Lucid Old Age". This ran on May 22nd and is still available from their archives. Another article I saved was from Forbes.com but it came out last year, August 2008, so it may not be available on-line any longer. Titled "10 Surprising Things That Affect Memory", an excerpt is pasted below: "Maintaining mental acuity is a major concern for aging Americans; they want to make the most of their golden years rather than have to struggle through them. In fact, adults are more than twice as likely to fear losing their mental capacity as their physical capacity, according to a 2006 poll by Research!America, a nonprofit public education and advocacy alliance. While many know the basics when it comes to keeping their minds sharp (stick with those crosswords), a crop of new research is showing that lifestyle choices may play an even bigger role than people realize, particularly in terms of memory. Factors—some positive, some negative—range from diet to unlikely medications and hormonal changes. "Most people feel that they are victims when it comes to Alzheimer's and memory loss," says Dr. Vincent Fortanasce, author of the new book The Anti-Alzheimer's Prescription. But Fortanasce points out that there's a difference between mental agility, which is our ability to multi-task and do things quickly, and mental capacity, which is our ability to reason and use our experience. When we age, just as we naturally lose physical agility, we lose mental agility. But you can do something about, even increase, your mental capacity as you grow older, Fortanasce says." |
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| Another thing that I have noticed is the increasing lack of the ability to reason things out. They can't remember 2+2=4 and cannot figure it out....they may come up with something like Peanut Butter and Jelly. One night while my mother was with us, we heard the water turning on and off and on and off, I went to check on her. She was trying to flush the toilet by filling her shoe up with water and pouring it in the toilet. Using the little handle was beyond her ability to reason. When I showed her, she was dumbfounded that her stupid daughter was smart enough to figure out how to make the toilet flush, but she couldn't. She was still "sharp." Her vocabulary was still good and she could carry on a conversation....that is unless it required her to rely on some sort of mental reasoning. Dementia is a dreadful problem. Some patients are just easier to contend with than others. Personalities are either completly changed or flaws become worse. The stubborn and independent can become impossible to handle without a great deal of medication. |
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| Oh my gosh! This posting is so like my MIL. Thanks so much for your imput. |
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| I never considered that my mother at 95 had dementia, either,before she died. But she certainly was OCD and that became all-consuming, and she lost her ability to reason. She obsessed about money until I took away her checkbook, and then she still obsessed, but didn't stay awake nights trying to 'balance' it. She believed that if the social security check was deposited on the last day of the month, it would be taken away and she would be punished. She worried about theft in the apartment/AL facility where she lived, and hid her little stash of money in a different place every day. I recall that she was very upset when three other people on the third floor where she lived all had 'incidents'----one had her car stolen from the grocery store parking lot, another person (clearly suffering real dementia) talked about seeing people in her apartment, and someone else had something stolen or so she thought. Mother thought that the 3rd floor apartments were being targeted and wanted to move. But I never thought that she suffered dementia. I have learned a lot since then. |
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| I agree that the inability to reason or understand cause & effect were definite signals that my mom was heading toward dementia. Like sushipup, it took me a long time to finally understand what was happening to her. I just thought she was being obstinate. One really strange conversation demonstrates her inability to reason things out. She was always bothered by constipation. I thought it was because she didn't drink enough liquids, and it was a constant battle to get her to drink more water, tea, juice... anything! I talked to her over & over again about the importance of liquid intake when battling constipation. And the importance of eating plenty of fresh fruits & vegetables. All to no avail. One day while she was discussing, once again, her constipation troubles, she told me she'd like to have an operation to make her "hole" (her exact words) larger so it would be easier for her to have a bowel movement. I didn't know whether to be horrified or laugh out loud. She honestly thought going through surgery would be a solution. |
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| It started with little things. When we were visiting, she asked for me (the banker in the family) to look at a bill that had come, because she couldn't make sense out of it. She has bad eyesight, so we assumed it was a vision issue. Turns out she had overpaid the previous month (probably misread the numbers) and the bill was a credit for $5 and change. It took me a really long time to explain to her that she didn't have to pay anything this month, and what a credit was. I still wasn't sure she really got it. Later, when she was in the hospital and going to be moved to AL, she couldn't understand how it would be paid for. She knew how much her income each month was, and that it wasn't enough to cover the monthly AL charge. She simply couldn't process that we would take some of her substantial savings out each month to cover the difference. She went through a paranoid phase. She was convinced people were stealing things from her empty house and her room at the AL. Now she is much worse. She was amazed that the leaves had come out on the shrubs, but still thought that DD was coming home for winter break, not summer break. |
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| I want to thank everyone who has posted here - I think hearing these kinds of anecdotes help others who aren't sure whether elderly relatives/spouses are evidencing problems or if it's just a few 'senior moments'. Thanks, sushipup, for starting this thread. |
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| "Now there is another thing I notice, which is when a personality trait becomes intensified with age or illness." I think this is very much the case with my 88 yo MIL. I think that most of us have quirks about one thing or another- whether it is checking the stove five times or picking hangnails or whatever. But our lives are busy and we just don't have the time to focus on the little things quite as closely as we might. Fast forward xx years and I have someone basically confined to one room with very little social activity. She refuses to leave the house because she might have to go to the bathroom (evidently that is supremely embarrassing), she refuses to wear hearing aids so most people are way past trying to have an actual conversation, and can't walk two steps but refuses to be wheeled in a wheelchair. She has a lot of pain from spinal stenosis, is seeing her control over her own life eroded on a daily basis, and has absolutely nothing to do all day except obsess over things that used to be mere quirks. It's no wonder to me that she zeroes in on one thing or another in what feels like an attempt to make my life miserable- she has nothing else. God forbid you try and talk to her about it as she immediately gets very defensive and mishears what little does get through her near deafness. Then she stews on it all day and you have to do round 2 that night. Is this dementia? Not to me but I am hardly a medical professional. If you ask me (and even her if she is in a talking mood) she is just tired of living but too afraid of dying to let go, and thus cranky over life in general. So we accommodate her tiny acts of tyranny and just hope that one day it will be over. I think there are a lot of families like us out there. It's never going to be a perfect situation any way you look at it. |
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| "....she refuses to wear hearing aids..." Just a quip from personal experience. These things can change your life!! If she's not hearing, that can explain all manner of other issues. Managing my own 97-year-young mother would be nearly impossible without them. With them, everything works again. The new ones no longer require ear-molds. The ear canal stays free and open. No ponderous fitting and waiting. No guesswork anymore. They can be adjusted to her own tested requirements and fitted in a single 45-minute visit and she can walk out with new ears. Incredibly simple -- and they WORK! About $2,500 per piece. However, if you've got the bucks I wouldn't hesitate rethinking this possibility. The vendor linked below is the top of the heap. |
Here is a link that might be useful: The ones I and two of my siblings have
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I am SO very glad to see this thread...it's one I've wanted to start myself, but I'm so afraid of sounding whiny about my MIL. My own sweet mother drilled the Golden Rule into me as a child, and now I feel terribly guilty when I find myself rolling my eyes or mumbling under my breath when MIL's dementia rears it's ugly head. Isn't is amazing how different people can experience similar symptoms with this crazy stuff ? I mean, I feel like some of the previous posters on this thread have been in my home and are actually taking about my MIL. She is 84, does not have Alzheimer's, but rather her dementia came about as the result of a stroke. She feeds herself, dresses herself, is mobile, and trys to be pleasant. But conversations can be difficult, because it's obvious she no longer understands a lot of basic concepts. Not to mention that she's hard of hearing (we're looking into getting hearing aids for her now). She has periodic bouts of constipation, depression, anxiety, etc. I try very hard to respect her dignity and to treat her with kindness, but it's very trying sometimes. One of the most frustrating things is that she can't/won't make simple choices, like what to have for lunch. I think it's important to give her choices, so that she feels as though she has at least some measure of control over her life, but this seems to be too much for her to think about. For example, I'll ask her "What would you like to have for lunch ?" and she'll say, "I don't know. What would you like ?". So I say, "How about a sandwich ? Would you like peanut butter & jelly, or tuna fish ?" Her: "Oh, either one's fine ". And I just want to scream, "Please, stop making me make EVERY freakin' decision for you ! You MUST have a preference ! Think !" But of course I never say this. My dh doesn't even try to make her choose, he just makes something he thinks she will like, and sits down with her and eats. This seems like a cop-out to me, not to mention that I would find this a little demeaning if I were in her shoes. Naturally, he is much less stressed about the whole issue. I just think it's important that she at least TRY to make her brain work a little better. She watches television from the time she gets up in the morning until she goes to bed at night. She says there's nothing else she's able to do. She loves folding laundry (which she does well), but there's only so much laundry to do in a week. She likes prepping vegetables for dinner, but dh worries about her handling a knife. I let her do it anyway; she only does it sitting down at the table, and her hands are so weak, it's hard to imagine that she could cut herself. She's completely obsessed with dates and times. She sometimes checks her watch (which she can barely see) every few minutes. Does she have to be somewhere at a certain time ? I don't understand this at all. Since the date seems to be important to her as well, we got her a calendar to keep in her bedroom, a nice large one, meant for people who have limited vision (she has macular degeneration). She asks every day what today's date is, and then goes to her calendar to mark it. Yet invariably, sometime during the month, she'll discover that she has mixed up what week it is and then she'll talk about that for the next two hours. She is convinced that there is "a pill" for every ailment. And I guess that's true, but I wish she weren't so quick to take something when there may be a more natural way. Like for constipation, I suggested that she might want to think about what she eats, and how about we try some prunes ? This little gem was news to her, and to give her credit, she was willing to try it, and it helped. Just not quite enough. The strange thing is that she doesn't understand why she might be constipated when she took "a pill" for that same problem 2 weeks ago. Apparently, you're supposed to be free from the problem forever after you take something for it. I've had the hardest time trying to explain to her that if you have to take something for arthritis pain (which she does), you will probably have to take it again the next day, and the next day, and the next. She cannot grasp this concept. I've cautioned my husband about mentioning medical issues around her, because she listens intently and then decides she has that problem too. Last week, she had a pain in her calf and decided that she needed to ask the doctor for an MRI on her leg. I can promise you, she has no idea what an MRI is. I told her we would ask the doctor to examine her leg, and then we would rely on the doctor to decide what needed to be done. She was insistent about an MRI up until the time we got to the dr's office, then she dummies up comletely and wants ME to tell the doc that her leg hurts. No mention of an MRI from her. |
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| telly...let's talk about a few things here. You want her to "make up her mind". That's understandable....to YOU, but not to her. She is no more capable of making desicions than a 2 year old. The more you insist that she do something, the more confused she will be. She simply does NOT understand the things that she should. There's not much that you can do to help. The part of her mind that functions, does not function correctly at all times. She remembers taking a pill for her constipation. What she doesn't remember is the passing of time. As far as she is concerned, it could have been last night. In other words, stop beating yourself over the head trying to get her to understand or function as you think she should. It won't happen. All you are going to do is to frustrate yourself more and more. And it will probably get worse. Learn to live with it now and it will be easier later. There is just no way you can explain things to her. Even if she understands NOW, there is a good chance that she won't understand later. |
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Agnespuffin, I don't insist that she decide. I just think that everyone knows what they like, and what they don't like. Even 2 year olds. I'm merely giving her choices, as I would want someone to do for me. Should I give her whatever food I decide she should eat ? I am learning as I go, and I try to prepare foods that she seems to enjoy. On medication, maybe I wasn't clear: she seems to think that if you take something once for constipation, you should never, ever be constipated again. I get that she doesn't understand the concept of ongoing health issues. I was merely presenting, as others here have done, another example of the curious (to me at least) ideas that people with dementia can come up with. It's just that it makes communication even more difficult because you never know what they're going to say next. |
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| Telly, you have just about accurately described my mother a couple of years ago. She was exactly the same way about food choices. She lived at a lovely assisted living facility, so I wasn't involved with her meals there. But I'd take her out to lunch at least once or twice a week as our special treat. It was similar to what you described. First, she wouldn't even try to read the menu because of her poor eyesight (macular degeneration). She had 6x reading glasses with her; the same she used to read the paper in her apt., but she wouldn't get them out. Then came, "What are you going to have?" Well, I always wanted to eat something that I knew she wouldn't like. So I'd read off two or three choices that she might enjoy. But she could never decide. So eventually, I'd pick one and order it for her. As time went on, eating out became less of a treat and more of an ordeal. She'd complain about dishes she had ordered and enjoyed just a month earlier. It became harder & harder for her to chew the food correctly and to handle the utensils. She also started getting confused when we'd return to her apartment. It finally got to be way too much and I gave it up. I think Agenspuffin is trying to say that sometimes expecting our elderly loved ones to make choices is actually counterproductive. It's all too confusing for them. There is security in someone else making the decision for you. Comparisons with young children are not appropriate. Children are learning and moving toward independence. The elderly are un-learning and moving more & more toward complete dependence. You already read about my mom's adventures with constipation. She had some of the same attitudes as your MIL. The first time I had to take her to the ER for manual extraction of severe constipation, it was such an ordeal, I was sure she'd never let herself get that bad again. Wrong! She called me up the next day, after the nurses had worked on her and given her all kinds of laxatives. She told me that she had another BM and she knew she didn't need to take her Metamucil caplets any longer. Sound familiar? Needless to say, no matter how many times I explained what needed to be done to avoid constipation, she never got it. And she was eventually hospitalized for over a week for severely impacted bowels. You're so right about the difficulties with communication. Dealing with medical issues is really problematic because often they cannot adequately describe what is going on with their bodies. All you can do is do your best given the circumstances. You can never beat yourself up because you didn't quite figure out exactly what was happening with their health. |
Also.....(and thank you, jkom51)
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| I understand that this will probably get worse, and I'm very grateful that she's no worse than she is, for now. I read with interest jkom51's post, especially the part about avoiding the factors that can contribute to dementia. I have also heard that one's social network can be a factor, and I worry about how isolated I am now, due to caring for someone 24/7. I do not EVER want this to happen to me, if it can be avoided. |
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| telly2, Your MIL is very much like my grandmother. Granny cannot make the simplest decision. Choices confuse her, to the point of tears if the issue keeps being pressed for an answer. Best to NOT ask your MIL what she wants to eat, just prepare something and set it before her. When you find something she refuses to eat, make note of it to not serve that item again ... or maybe try it on another day, maybe she'll take it then. Granny often complains or wrinkles her nose at certain foods, but she may eat them anyway. Her sight and hearing are both failing. She fusses about getting eyes checked so we don't often press the issue. She refuses to consider a hearing aid. She cannot understand about diabetic effects, or nutrition to manage it. She apparently thinks that "poking her finger" (checking glucose) is some sort of therapy that's supposed to make the diabetic condition better, although she doesn't believe it'll help. It must be understood, however, that she has only a 3rd-grade education. She cannot answer questions. If asked what she had for lunch, if anyone called, where she went visiting (with the caregiver), if she watched Price is Right this morning ... she does not remember, minutes or hrs later. She is losing old memories now as well. She told me 6 months ago that her husband never lived at the house with her (which of course he did), although she knows he died there. She couldn't tell me where (she thinks) he lived, or explain why he would have died there if he lived elsewhere. She keeps getting confused that one of her granddaughters "lives close by me" which is not quite the case. When I take her town for a doctor appt or a burger, or to my parents for a visit (a couple towns over), she doesn't recognize where are we. The route and town, I mean. She does know we're getting a hamburger or are at my parents' house. ANYTHING that goes wrong, that disturbs the status quo, rocks her world. She lost a filling last week. I took her to get it fixed. Upon getting home, she sat and cried for 10 mins about "What I have to go through in my old age." Something went wrong with the garage door, the caregiver couldn't get it open to take the car for groceries. Granny called the neighbor, after I had told her that I'll come check it. When I asked why she called the neighbor, that I had told her I'll be by a little later in the evening, she cried for 30 minutes. She has lost all sense of time and date. Never knows what is the day, and cannot follow time in her mind, as in such-and-such TV show will be on in 30 mins. She enjoys watching Astros baseball, but has to be told *at the moment* to turn on the TV. My sister wrote all the gametimes for the season on a calendar, she cannot follow it. She doesn't remember she has a calendar. If I show it to her, she can sometimes (not always) find the date and time, but she doesn't know what it means. I tell her it means Astros play at 7:00 today, she'll repeat back "Astros play at 7:00" but doesn't seem to make a connection with what's written on the calendar. She can keep up with her medication only because I got a pill dispenser/timer, although she once in a while misses an early-morning dose if she doesn't get up for the buzzer, or may miss pulling one pill out of the dispenser cup if there are several involved. She is, however, still able to dress and bathe herself, get around the house, go outside, check the mailbox (if she is told or sees the mailman). She can make coffee, toast, cut and peel an apple, look in the refrigerator if she's hungry (although she doesn't eat anywhere near as she should), wash the dishes. How much longer she'll retain these things, who knows. I called several times one day last week, busy signal. Found later she had the phone upside down with the receiver laid across it perfectly as if hung up. My sister and her roommate came to visit Saturday. They took Granny to Wal-Mart, then got something for lunch at the house. Everything was great. Granny called me today, crying that "Cheryl beat me up." Of course, no such thing happened. She couldn't remember which day, couldn't come up with any details, and said Cheryl was there alone. I gently suggested that it was a bad dream, that nothing really happened, but she didn't seem convinced. She had the same story two years ago, that my mother had attacked her ... which wasn't the case at all because I know where Mom was at the time. Oh, constipation. Yup, we've got that going on. The caregiver is very good about the daily dose of Miralax, but that isn't always enough. Compounded by Granny not eating as she should. Doesn't matter how many times I tell her what she needs to do, or how many different ways I present the info ... she just puts her head down and looks away. OK, here we go. She called again just now. Frantic about a supposed broken pipe in the back yard, water everywhere. She exaggerates, a LOT ... but the last time I didn't go look right away, there really was a ruptured faucet connector under the kitchen sink. |
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| Shambo, I think you're right about the security issue. I always get the sense that she doesn't want to say what she wants because she thinks that somehow her choice will be "wrong". So she'd rather someone else decide for her. I want her to use her mind on small things at least. And I guess that's the real source of my frustration, because we've been very careful to make her feel at home, and to allow her as much independence as is possible. There is no "wrong" choice, and how in the world did she decide that there is ? This is so sad ! |
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| You must give up on your expectations. She's not "deciding" anything in particular. Her brain is shutting down. It doesn't work like yours or any "normal" person's does anymore -- and its not coming back. "Choices" are something she may not understand at all anymore. You're dealing with progressive incompetence. And it comes and goes, just in case you really needed any more confusion. Nobody in a position to influence the situation allows incompetent people to make decisions...."choices". Basically, your job is to impose what is needed at the moment and, hopefully, be able to do it in a a way that elicits cooperation. In some situations -- like my own -- this is easy. In other situations -- I know -- it borders on impossible. In particular, I would like to comment about the constipation thing. NEVER allow this to get out of control! NEVER! The consequences are so unpleasant, disruptive, painful, and expensive there's nothing else for it but to stay on top of it constantly. In many situations this means IMPOSING a regimen of dietary assists. Talking about fluids, stool softeners, metamucil, prunes, etc., etc.....whatever does the "regularity" job in your particular circumstance. Basically what I'm saying is to hell with "choices" when you're this far down the road. Do what needs to be done. Sometimes -- as in my own case -- it's pretty easy. Other times its really rough. Only saying the alternative is rougher. Interestingly, interpersonal skills emerge as critically important -- the means to get them to cooperate with what must be done. Interesting stuff, but it can make you nuts. |
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| Asolo: So far, she has been pretty good about telling me if she's constipated, although I know this is embarrassing for her (as it would be for me). After reading some of the posts here, I realize that my MIL is not nearly as far gone as some others. So right now, I depend on her to tell me if she has a problem; will it get so bad she can't tell me, and if that happens, how will I know that there's something that needs to be dealt with ? I intend to take your advice, and never let it get to the point of an emergency. Why is there so much constipation in the elderly ? I'm aware that lots of meds have that side effect, but I wonder if it's also in the nature of getting older. |
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| Well, that's the nut...depending on her to inform you when SHE thinks she has a problem. She may not know or she may forget. Or -- as so often happens -- she "doesn't want to bother you" until she's thoroughly impacted and can't stand the pain any longer. By which time it's actually a medical emergency and you'll be calling 911. The pain engendered can be unbelievable and it can build at an astonishing rate. You do NOT want to go there. I'm not the world's expert by any stretch but, based on my own situation with my 97-year-young mom, I will tell you that I talk with her about BM's every single day. If she misses a day, that's OK, but my mental stop-watch starts ticking. If she misses two in a row, I don't hesitate to act. In our particular case, a couple of prunes every day, regular stool softeners, a heaping teaspoon of Metamucil in OJ every day along with plenty of fluids and a decent diet have kept things going OK. Things to do to help "regularity" and things to do when control is slipping are as varied as the individuals. Nursing home personnel are wonderful for ideas about variations on remedies and help-alongs. I encourage people to come up to speed about it because it is, indeed, an every-day thing and is, typically, easy enough to manage -- assuming reasonable oversight. However, the consequences of letting it get out of control can be truly awful. |
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| I second what asolo said about not letting the constipation issue get out of hand. My mother's situation got to the point, as mentioned before, that she was hospitalized for a week. The doctor performed manual extractions several times and she was given strong laxatives. When she was finally cleaned out, she was too weak to return to her AL apt. and had to spend another week in a convalescent hospital. The physical & mental trauma of the hospitalization took its toll on her and she was never the same. In fact, the end result was a significant loss of bowel control. At the AL she was on a regimen of stool softeners, Metamucil caplets, and laxatives when needed. Her medical caregiver asked her every morning about constipation (she'd always say everything was OK) and my mom was supposed to mark on her calendar whenever she had a BM (she'd frequently forget). All this was in place, and yet she managed to let it go almost two weeks before mentioning to me on the phone one day that she was having her "old trouble." I knew exactly what she was talking about and flew into action. That's why depending on the elderly loved one to let you know what's going on may not always work. The problem with the AL was that they did indeed let people make their own choices. My mom didn't have to eat prunes for breakfast. Or drink prune juice. Or eat the fresh fruit plate. Or eat the green salad. She didn't have to eat a bran muffin every couple of days. Or have raisin bran cereal. By law, they had to administer the medications prescribed by the doctor (stool softeners, etc.) But they could not force her to eat the right things or drink more fluids. That's the danger in giving an elder who has diminished cognitive capacity options. They can always opt out of choosing what is is their best interest. As a warning, waiting until the elderly loved one tells you they feel bloated or constipated may be dangerous. By then the impaction may be so hard that severe measures are needed, manual extraction or strong laxatives. It's much better to create a good diet and liquid intake program before hand. Expecting a BM every day may be too much (elders usually don't eat a lot); ask her doctor what he thinks. But at least every two days should be the norm. Once it hits three days, you need to act fast. My suggestion would be to start asking daily. Maybe use a calendar. Put a star or special symbol (not BM -- that's too embarrassing) on the days she goes. Make filling the calendar out part of your daily routine and make it a matter-of-fact conversation. Also, do the old "sniff" test of her bathroom. Asolo said it correctly. It's "...typically, easy enough to manage -- assuming reasonable oversight. However, the consequences of letting it get out of control can be truly awful." |
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| "Also, do the old "sniff" test of her bathroom." Shambo, you're precious. This is really funny....but so very on-the-mark! I do this all the time in my own situation. BM-related conversation is something very few people of my acquaintance are comfortable with. In some situations -- like the ones described here -- it MUST be on the table at all times but, especially with advancing dementia, it seldom is. Mostly it gets avoided entirely or spoken of in euphemisms. If there's a even a slightly discrete way to keep on top of the situation, that's great. The "sniff test" is certainly in that arsenal. |
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| while we are THAT subject, some high powered pain medication are constipating. It doesn't bother all patients, but when they are taking such medicines for pain, arthritis, etc, the caregiver must be even more watchful. Even when there is no dementia, that tendency to become impacted is increased. |
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| Absolutely! Mom's been taking oxycontin for more than a decade. (No pain anymore, we're talking about maintenance, here. Can't get off the stuff.) And it's a HUGE deal bowel-wise. Thanks for mentioning. (Why didn't I include this stuff when I wrote the first time? I hope all may excuse me if I refrain from starting a "poop" thread! : ) ) |
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I really like this thread...I'm learning a lot. I think that I'm going to just start asking her on a daily basis about BM's. It won't be easy at first, I'm just as embarassed to ask as I know she will be to answer. But we're gonna have to get thru it, and I'm guessing that it will get easier once it's part of our routine. She does take pain meds for arthritis, so I'm gonna have to be more proactive here. But while we're on this particular subject, I also want to mention that so far we're mostly having kind of the opposite problem - she regularly soils her clothes. We've provided disposables for her, and at first she seemed kind of glad, but when I check how many she has left, I see that she's not using them daily. In fact, she's using them only occasionally from what I can tell. Yet sometimes when we're shopping she'll try to buy more, and then I have to remind her that she still has a good supply of them at home. We already know that she is taking her soiled underwear into the shower with her when she bathes, rinses them out (bless her heart)and then hangs them up in her room to dry. She clearly does not want me to know about this ongoing problem. But since all laundry detail falls on me, I get presented with the evidence in the most unpleasant ways. Not to mention that I have taken to wearing disposable gloves when I clean her bathroom: She regularly gets poop on the toilet seat, the outside of the toilet bowl, the cabinet...It's not that she's missing the toilet completely, but more like she's getting it on her hands, and then touching other surfaces. Last week I went to clean her bathtub and found traces of it on her shower seat. Which makes it seem like now she's not getting clean in the shower either. (Sorry everyone. I know this is gross. You can see why I wear the disposable gloves).Coupled with fact that I have a high level of aversion to human poop and the diseases associated with it, this is definitely taking a toll on me. Is this lack of bowel control typical ? She takes Metamucil chewables daily, and was taking a stool softener daily until we reduced the frequency of those to every other day. |
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| Telly, I hate to say this again, but your tale sounds just like my mom's experiences. After her hospitalization for impacted bowels, the doctor put her on a regimen of stool softeners & a very harsh laxative. I guess he wanted to make sure she didn't have the impaction problem again. The difficulty was that she ended up with explosive BMs. She seemed to have lost any ability to control herself. Of course, she wouldn't talk to me about it. But every time I visited her, the AL apt. stunk to high heaven. And her bathroom was exactly as you described. Stains, smears, & streaks everywhere -- on the counter, in the sink, on the toilet, in the shower, on the floor, etc. And damp, barely rinsed out underwear hanging in her shower. Yup! A lot of sanitizing and disposable gloves for me too. I questioned her about the situation but it was hard to get a clear answer from her. She was no longer able to adequately express what was happening with her body. I eventually made an appointment with her doctor and described what was happening. He took her off the strong laxative and went back to a Dulcolax only if she had gone three days without relief. As I said before, the end result of the hospitalization, the convalescent hospital, the explosive episodes, and trying to adjust her regularity meds eventually led to significant loss of bowel control. You might want to take your MIL to the doctor about this problem. Bowel incontinence is definitely a problem in the elderly and especially those afflicted with dementia. But there's always the possibility that something else is going on with her digestive system, something that could actually be treated. My mother lived with us for a short while, and I totally understand your frustration with dealing with the messes. I always thought that if she'd just stay put and let me clean her up, there might not have been as much work involved. But she attempted to "take care" of things herself, and that's how everything got soiled. Some days I'd spend over fours hours straight just cleaning up after one of her messes. It sounds like you need to remind her every day to put on a Depends. Have her put on a fresh one in the morning and another fresh one at night. Just part of the getting up for the day and getting ready for bed routine. |
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Oh does this bring back memories. I cared for my mil for 5 yrs and all of the above was part of that caregiving. I might add, fecal matter is getting on everything, be sure to check under their fingernails. I found that often with her long nails that even washing her hands that she was not getting that area clean. Good Luck everyone. I know how hard you are working. Remember to take care of yourselves along the way and know that when it is all done, you will be glad you did it and you will be stronger in ways that you would never have guessed. Connie |
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| Hoo, boy! Looks like I've found common-ground on this topic. Dementia plus bad eyesight plus embarrassment has led to many messy episodes around here, too. I really hate poop but have always done what's needed anyway because there's no alternative. Thankfully most of the time we're OK, but I do dread those infrequent times when things go wrong. Mom's a total sweetheart and we really do work together very well. She's incredibly embarrassed on those infrequent occasions when I have to intervene but she does understand and allows me to do it. She put up with me for 21 years, so I guess I can handle it. |
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| Connie K, you're right about the fingernails...thankfully she likes them short, so I trim them for her frequently. I have noticed on occasion that not only her nails, but her hands themselves are not clean. Not poop, just food residue or something. Right now she bathes herself, but I'm starting to feel that blessing slipping away.... Shambo: What shall I say to her about the Depends ? I hate to sound so stupid, but our relationship since she has lived with me has not progressed to the point where we can discuss these things matter-of-factly. The laundry and lack of bathroom cleanliness are not mentioned by either of us, so it will be like I'll just have to bring it up out of "nowhere" (as far as she'll be concerned). |
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| telly....could you just gradually cause her regular undies to sort of disappear. Then by the time she's down to about two pair, a package of depends could magically appear and then you can suggest using them. Might work, might not.. Just be sure that you have something for her to put the dirty ones in. You don't want her to try to flush them. |
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telly, Oh how I remember the first conversation --was so hard to do, but I finally had to do it. It went like this. Frances, I know that during your life you have always prided yourself in being clean and fresh and this is very hard for me to tell you this, but you have an odor that is not nice. I know that you would want to know, just like I would like to know if it were me. I think it is coming from-------------- and then I went on to discuss how I thought I could help her prevent it. It was not easy, but it was a turning point. Good luck. Connie |
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| Telly, I think Connie gave you a good guideline to follow. The really important thing to remember is that the less embarrassment you show, the less embarrassed she will be. Treat all these "delicate" conversations matter-of-factly. As though they were no different than discussing the weather or what's on TV. You're going to have to steel yourself to bring up subjects you'd rather avoid. That's simply part of elder caregiving. You discuss constipation, bathroom messes, reminders to use toilet paper, reminders to brush teeth, reminders to wash hands after using the bathroom, reminders to throw soiled Kleenex away -- you name it, you'll be discussing it. Embarrassment & humiliation have to go by the wayside. You simply have to talk about everything in order to properly care for your loved one. You could broach the subject of Depends by saying you know that she worries about accidents and using Depends would ease her mind. That way she wouldn't have to worry about soiled bedding or clothing. And they're so easy to use, easy to find, and don't cost hardly anything... Agnespuffin had a good idea too about introducing Depends into the daily routine. And she's definitely right about needing a specific place for disposal. I used a step-on metal trash can with a removable hard plastic liner. It was in the bathroom. Then I lined the removable liner with the scented plastic kitchen bags. I removed the bags every few days and kept them in a small metal trash can in my garage until garbage day. I removed poopy Depends each day and wrapped them in plastic grocery bags before putting them into the step-on can. Our city garbage cans are heavy plastic and leaving the bags of soiled Depends in them for more than a day made everything stink to high heaven. That was my system, but I'm sure you'll come up with a system that would work best for you. |
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Yes, I'm going to have to steel myself to talk about these things in a matter-of-fact way. You know, even though it was said previously that it's not really appropriate to compare dementia patients to children, it's very much like that, isn't it ? All the reminders that Shambo mentioned sound exactly like that to me. As far as the disposal of the Depends goes, I'm proud to report that when they were first introduced to her, she took the initiative on her own to gather extra plastic bags to put them in before putting them into her plastic lined garbage can. Of course, she probably will have to be reminded about all that once she gets to using them regularly, but that's okay. A small thing to deal with ! |
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| About the disappearing undies.... my mom has actually flushed hers down the toilet causing some major floods in the house. Has done it twice, I believe. So much of what is said here describes her to a 'T'. |
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| Wow, with all these stories about constipation I'm thankful that's one problem I don't have with my MIL, so far (fingers crossed!). Due to our own health issues we eat big salads almost every night at dinner, as well as lots of whole grains and high-fiber fruits and veggies. That's the one huge advantage of having her live with us - she eats much healthier than she would living by herself. She loves Wonder Bread, but I've switched us to the Sarah Lee brand of whole grain bread - soft enough for her aging teeth, but high-fiber enough to work. Again, I really appreciate all the stories folks are posting. It's building a mental checklist for me as my MIL continues to age, so I think I'll be more prepared to deal with these issues. We're starting to notice that on occasion my MIL will think she's done something, because she thought about doing it. But she actually didn't do it at all. Just the fact that she remembers thinking about it, creates the impression in her mind that it's already done! The current fight is to change her dentist and opthamalogist to professionals closer to our home. Having to travel 40 minutes one-way in rush hour traffic, over a bridge, back and forth for her cataract surgeries was a huge pain. Between the pre-ops, surgeries and post-ops we made the trip nine times in less than 2 mos. We want to change her dentist before she has a dental emergency - with osteoporosis her teeth are very fragile. |
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We're starting to notice that on occasion my MIL will think she's done something, because she thought about doing it. But she actually didn't do it at all. Just the fact that she remembers thinking about it, creates the impression in her mind that it's already done! Yup, that goes on here also. Usually difficult to convince her otherwise. Works best not to push the issue in terms of "you forgot to do" and approach it as something that needs to be done afresh. An example of the loss of short-term memory trouble: I called on a recent evening to get her watching the ball game. She already had the TV on. Me: "Granny, baseball is on, put the TV on Ch 34." Her: "Oh? Baseball is on? Which channel?" Me: "Yes, channel 34." Her: [fussing/mild cursing] "I can't find my gadget [the TV remote]. I had to push the button [on front of the TV, to turn it on]. Hold the line." She puts the phone down, goes looking. Approx 2 mins, less than 3 mins, she comes back to the phone. I hear the TV turn off. Her: "I can't find my gadget. Had to push the button again." Me: "Granny, why did you turn the TV off?" Her: "Nothing is on to watch." Me: "Baseball is on, that's why I'm calling. Channel 34." Her: "Oh?? Baseball is on?? I don't know where's my gadget." ....... |
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| dadoes - that is all too true! My MIL isn't quite at that point yet, but she's getting there. Here's what happened a few nights ago: Background: We are moving my MIL’s investment accounts and had given her two questions to ask her advisors. We had her write the questions down so she would ask accurately. We already have power of attorney, but we do these small things to make her exercise her mind a bit. At dinner out that evening, I went to the restroom. When I got back my MIL was telling my DH about what she had learned from the phone conversation with her financial advisors. I came back towards the end of the conversation. I heard the last two or three complete sentences she said to my DH as I re-seated myself at the table. It was clear to me that she had asked the questions accurately and gotten the specific answers we needed. My MIL then proceeded to say the same sentences all over again, saying, "Oh, I was just telling Carlos...." I stopped her by saying, "Yes, I heard you." She was astounded. "But you went to the restroom!" My DH just stared and said, "Yes, but she came back. Didn’t you notice?" But she hadn’t noticed I had returned! Despite the fact that I was directly opposite her, all 235 lbs of me – walking up to the small table (a standard 30" square) in broad daylight, pulling out the chair, and sitting back down again. Yet she completely failed to "see" me. As it’s highly unlikely I became temporarily either invisible or so much skinnier (I wish, LOL!) I couldn’t be seen sideways, it was clear to both of us that in fact she probably had seen me – but because she was trying so hard to concentrate on relaying information accurately to DH, her brain was unable to register that a very large person had just rejoined the conversation. In a nutshell, that illustrates how dementia has started to shrink her world, as asolo so aptly phrases it in the discussion thread "New here – intro & questions". |
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| I am low on the learning curve re: caring for my dementia-suffering mother. As a retired teacher, I found myself thinking if I held the bar high enough, my mother could/would work to achieve at that level of expectation. Well....now, I am trying to embrace the idea that she no longer thinks, reasons, responds "normally." She would if she could but she can't. Part of me feels like a failure - but I am slowly coming to accept that I CAN NOT change these things; I can just keep loving her. Thankfully, she is a sweet thing and easy to love. I'm lucky. |
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bposey- I think you will find that careing for her will be easier once you come to grips with the fact that this is the way she is and you stop fighting it. I use to try and tell my mother-in-law that she no longer had a car and we could not go look for it because it did not exist. When I finally stopped that and said, well I do not think it is out there, but I will go help you look, we both enjoyed the walk, (was good for both of us) and she would get tired and stop looking and it was just better for both of us-if I had refused and argued and tried to change her mind, I would have been tired and she would still be looking. You learn to go with the flow, pick your battles (there are some that you need to win, but most it does not matter). Good Luck You will be tired when it is all over, but you will feel good about doing what you can for her until the end. Connie |
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| Hi, just wanted to continue this discussion. Some great stuff here. My 95 year old FIL lives with us and he suffers from Dementia. I am only just starting to understand his dementia, and how it effects him, but it seems to me that the second he has a physical problem, be it his lungs or simple constipation, his mind is totally gone. Is this typical of dementia? I mean, on good days, he is happy, talking, and just pleasant to have around. On not so good days, he is restless, agitated, and confused, and it is alot of work to keep him safe. |
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| Have you not talked to his doctor about this? There are many different types of dementia and keeping an ongoing discussion with his doctor is very important. I actually keep a short journal of episodes that have happened as we notice my MIL's gradual decline. Her doctor says she's still good compared to his other, more frail patients, so having the journal really helps us identify problems when we talk to him. |
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| Hi, onlyone. I've been lurking as my mother progresses into dementia from a stroke. But I am also a nurse who deals with it a fair amount at work in the hospital. So, to answer your question, yes, physical upsets can bring on acute confusion or make existing dementia worse, sometimes just transiently, but sometimes it is a step down that they never get back up. Urinary tract infection is the classic case--when an elderly woman gets acutely confused, that is often the reason. We say that a change in level of consciousness (confusion, or lethargy, or restlessness) is the earliest and most misinterpreted/overlooked sign of infection or other physical problem. So now you know that that is the pattern for him, you know to look for something physically wrong when he starts to get mentally worse. |
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| I have to put in my 2 cents worth. I was a caregiver for my Mom and she had alzheimers. She could not do anything for herself....I bathed her, fed her...was like taking care of a baby. One thing I learned is age & the decease changes a person. I found that Mom would eat anything I fed her if I put sweetner in the food.If the food did not have a sweet taste she would not eat.So I put sugar in anything I fed her. Also...never argue with them...it only makes the situation worse...try to distract them from whatever caused the upset.Be advised too that routine is a MUST. I found that just taking Mom to the doctor sent her deeper into the decease.Alzheimers is just as bad as cancer in my opinion.My Mom was a very good person and didn't deserve to have her life stolen like that. Anyone dealing with this has my sympathy.....good luck & ev1 will be in my prayers |
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| One of the main things I learned dealing with Alz./dementia is that the only constant is it is ever changing. And, you can never argue with someone with dementia, because it is "their truth" to them. I know how frustrating it can be when you want them to just understand something that they are no longer capable of understanding. And the sad part is that it can never go back to the way it used to be, it only deteriorates further. I always strongly suggest getting in touch with your local Alzheimers Association or at least checking out their website. In my area they hold classes & have support groups. The clases were a Godsend to help make sense out of the senseless. My heart goes out to all of you who are dealing with this. I guess that's why they call Alzheimer's "the longest goodbye". |
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| One constantly emerging misconception about dementia is the idea that one can "help" them "understand" via correction and instruction. Trouble is, it doesn't work. It can't work. Unlike working with children, the brain/cognitive-abilities of the dementia patient are NOT growing. They aren't learning and growing like children do. They're going the other way. Compassionate management is usually the goal. The condition does change but, typically, it does not improve. Usually, the confusion increases over time. Hoping/expecting that it can/will improve -- as it almost always does with children -- invariably leads only to aggravation and frustration when dealing thus with the demented. Since most people's experience with child-like behaviors is, in fact, with children, the likelihood of mis-understanding this characteristic is huge. It takes some getting used to. Typically requires a mental adjustment of the care-giver to work with it effectively and to avoid frustration and aggravation. It's a different world. For them and for us. |
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| It is so difficult trying to understand what is happening with my 95 year old FIL. These discussions are helping, and I am also try to find information on the internet as well. My husband typically takes my FIL to his dr's appointments, so I am rarely in contact with his doctor to ask certain questions. I am trying to educate myself, and then gently pass on the information to my husband. I believe my husband is in denial about his father's condition. But he is slowly more accepting of reality as he sees his father declining more and more, and he is running out of reasonable explanations for his fathers bizarre behavior. Sure, my FIL is 95, with rheumatoid arthritis and Chronic Lung Disease, but a couple years ago, he was sharp as a whip. He was a funny man, full of energy. Now, he seems lost in our own home. Everyday, he has to ask where the washroom is. Due to his age he is physically slowing down, and has to be reminded to use his walker. But, even though he is slowing down physically, he still on occasion gets up bright eyed and bushy tailed at 3AM, ready to go to work! He has no problem getting down the steps and out the front door. It only happened once so far, that he got as far as the front step, but scared us too death. I can see what is happening to my FIL, but my husband only sees an aging man. My husband gets easily frustrated over the confusion, and I'm sure my FIL is well aware of the tension. Dealing with dementia on a daily basis is very difficult, and I really don't know to what point, we can care for my FIL at home. We are just taking it day by day, and hoping for the best. My fear, is that when we reach the unknown "point" when dad needs to be admitted to a nursing home, he will not be accepted due to high waiting lists. I asked my husband is he had dad assessed, or put on a list, but he just told me that he was pretty sure the medical system would work in our favor if things got really hard for us at home. I beg to differ, but what do I know. In my mind, the point in which we could not care for dad at home would be when it becomes a physical struggle. If dad looses mobility, and cannot get in and out of bed by himself. But then again, I think that if that time comes, we would overcome obstacles and work something out. He is already incontinent, and we are dealing with it. That was the "point" a couple years ago. As a family, we just band together, and work through life's up and downs and somehow find the strength. Just need to share some personal thoughts on this topic. It is very difficult watching a parent decline, but I think we all have an inner strength that just gets stronger as the days pass. |
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| Onlyone, I think we can all relate to your husband's unwillingness to see your FIL's condition accurately. Most of us go through a period of denial. I know I did. I just thought my mom was stubborn and unwilling to see reason. It took a while before I realized I was dealing with the symptoms of dementia/Alzheimer's. However, once I accepted the fact that she was suffering the effects of dementia, I was better able to handle her newly developed personality quirks, memory loss, off the wall comments, etc. I no longer took things personally nor was I as frustrated because I realized the disease created these limitations. Actually, recognizing the dementia gave me a lot more peace. I could accept the situation as it really was. I could enjoy the moments when she was more alert and "with it" without getting upset when she drifted back into her own world again. |
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| First, understand that there are many types of dementia - I've seen figures ranging from 27 to 50. Alzheimer's is only one type of dementia. It is a relatively painless way to die, but emotionally draining for loved ones. Although this does not directly touch on onlyone's issues, I recently read this article on the failure of most medical practitioners to properly treat dementia patients for End-of-Life care. If you yourself have not filled out the POLST form and given it to your doctor, please do so. This form, the Physician's Order for Life Sustaining Treatment, gives very specific instructions to your family and doctor about what kind of EOL treatment you wish for yourself. If you Google POLST you'll find a downloadable .pdf 1-pg form that you can fill out. Note it should be printed on colored paper (I used tan, it was all I had) as the form needs to be easily identifiable in a folder full of medical records! (paragraphs are excerpted from full article) Treating Dementia but Overlooking Its Physical Toll NYTimes October 20, 2009 Dementia is often viewed as a disease of the mind, an illness that erases treasured memories but leaves the body intact. But dementia is a physical illness, too — a progressive, terminal disease that shuts down the body as it attacks the brain. Although the early stages can last for years, the life expectancy of a patient with advanced dementia is similar to that of a patient with advanced cancer. The lack of understanding about the physical toll of dementia means that many patients near the end of life are subjected to aggressive treatments that would never be considered with another terminal illness. People with advanced dementia are often given dialysis and put on ventilators; they may even get preventive care that cannot possibly help them, like colonoscopies and drugs for osteoporosis or high cholesterol. The continued focus on treatment to prolong life often means that pain relief is inadequate, and symptoms like confusion and anxiety are worsened. A new study suggests that family members would be far less likely to subject their loved ones to such treatment if they had a better understanding of dementia as progressive, debilitating illness that ultimately shuts down the body after years of mental deterioration. Advanced dementia patients are particularly prone to infections because of incontinence, risk of bedsores, a depressed immune response and inability to report symptoms. When the investigators looked more deeply into the reasons for treatment decisions, they discovered stark differences based on what family members knew about dementia. When they understood its progressive and terminal nature, only 27 percent of the patients received aggressive care. For family members who did not understand the disease, the figure was 73 percent. "Dementia is a terminal illness and needs to be recognized as such so these patients receive better palliative care," said Dr. Susan L. Mitchell, senior scientist at the Institute for Aging Research of Hebrew SeniorLife in Boston. The study also found that pain control was often inadequate. One in four subjects were clearly suffering from pain, but that number may understate the problem, because the patients were unable to talk about their pain. Dr. Greg A. Sachs, chief of general internal medicine and geriatrics at Indiana University School of Medicine says doctors need to spend more time explaining the prognosis for advanced dementia, making it clear that palliative care does not mean less care. "We’re not talking about aggressive care versus no care," he said. "Palliative care is aggressive and attentive and focused on symptom management and support of the patient and family. It’s not any less excellent care." |
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| Jkom, I read that article too. It was actually painful to get through. I can't imagine someone suffering from dementia being subjected to all kinds of painful and invasive procedures just to prolong life a bit. You're so right about families needing to discuss end of life issues before it becomes a crisis. I'm so glad that when my mother was of sound mind, we took care of all that. And, yes, dementia needs to be considered a physical illness not just an illness of the mind alone. One by one the various systems begin shutting down. It may take a while and it may not be as visible as other illnesses, but it's happening, nonetheless. |
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| My husband has Alz. and read this thread with great interest. I just can not believe the difference in him from last year. He speaks very little but will say when he wants to go to bed or if I ask him a question he will nod yes or no. His balance is worse now than it was early in the summer and I help him when walking. I have seen many of these types of patients while visiting my mother in a nursing home and they didn't seem to have problems with talking and walking. I thought my husband had a stroke but the doctor said it was from the Alz. What a terrible disease and it is so sad to watch someone just deteriorate. I plan on keeping him home as long as I can but it is getting harder, esp. with his falling. His memory problems started about 4 yrs. ago. I am now looking into nursing homes for the future....a hard choice! Mary |
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| Mary, it is indeed a hard choice. You're so right about the sadness involved in watching a loved one slowly deteriorate. There are no easy solutions to caring for our loved ones. Each possible solution has both its positives and its negatives. You end up choosing what works for your unique situation. |
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