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Basement Insulation R-Value

jarvinen
13 years ago

I'm going to be insulating and framing the walls of our poured basement. We live in Michigan's Upper Peninsula on top of a well-drained bluff so our basement is very dry and the climate is very cold in the winter.

Any recommendations for R-value? I've read that an R value of 25 would be recommended for our region.

The plan is to use 2" foam board against the concrete, then frame against that and roll in insulation between the studs.

Any recommendations or advice for our project would be appreciated. Thank you.

Comments (11)

  • worthy
    13 years ago

    R25 is on the high end.

    Building in Aspen, Col. Building Science has gone with R13 closed cell spray foam (ccspf).

    But keeping in mind aged R values and rising heating costs, it may not be unreasonable. In merely a cold climate (Toronto) I aim for R20.

    By foam board, I take it you mean extruded polystyrene (XPS). You can use EPS, but it must be much thicker.

    Don't forget the space between the joists. You can either foam that--open or closed cell--or laboriously place in cut foam board.

    Other tips:

    *tongue and groove seals tighter.

    *use building tape and/or suitable
    caulking on all seams.

    *rest the baseplate on min 6mm poly or
    one-inch strips of XPS.


    Here is a link that might be useful: Building Science Corp. on Basements

  • macv
    13 years ago

    What you describe might achieve R-21 to 23 but not 25.

    Heat loss from an in-ground concrete basement is far less than from a typical above-grade wall. R-10 is the usual code requirement for your area and the additional cost for R-25 would probably be better spent elsewhere.

    Why wasn't insulation installed on the outside of the basement wall?

  • jarvinen
    Original Author
    13 years ago

    Our home was built in 2006 and the basement wasn't insulated outside. I was unaware that that was the best option so we're doing it inside now.

    If R-20 or higher is too much, should I go with 1" XPS instead? The main reason for using the XPS was to act as a vapor barrier as well as insulator.

  • jimandanne_mi
    13 years ago

    DH used the book linked below when we owner-built our house. I don't know if Joe adds info for your very cold climate, but there's TONS of great info & drawings in this book--definitely worth the money!

    Anne

    Here is a link that might be useful: Joe Lstiburek's

  • jimandanne_mi
    13 years ago

    Just reread your post and see that you already built the house! So I guess my post is for any future builders in ANY of the climates Joe has written books for.

    Anne

  • sue36
    13 years ago

    I am wondering the benefit of adding R20 or 25. Our basement (not daylight, 4 standard basement windows, bulkhead behind outside-rated door) gets down to 53-55 (at the coldest) during the winter with no heat at all. The only insulation is on the rim joist (foam board and then fiberglass). We are in Maine. I can't imagine that insulating to R20 would make much of a difference. Or would it?

  • jarvinen
    Original Author
    13 years ago

    Would 1.5" XPS do the job? Or, if it were you, would you go with the 2". It would save a few bucks to go with the 1.5", but I'd pay the extra if its not overkill.

    We do have larger windows and about 3' of concrete exposed on the north side of our basement. Other than that, it's mainly underground.

  • brickeyee
    13 years ago

    Any concrete exposed above actual grade can have high heat loss since now you have outside ambient temperatures and wind.

    Keep in mind that the loss through walls down to the frost depth is can also be significant.
    You have a solid 32F temperature sinking heat (and possibly even lower as you get near the surface).

  • worthy
    13 years ago

    am wondering the benefit of adding R20 or 25.

    The US government's EERE recommends R25-30 as cost efficient for floors. Presuming this applies too, to basement walls, it seems an upgrade would makes sense. At least for the first four feet down.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Insulation Recommendations

  • sue36
    13 years ago

    I wish I knew the math! If the inside temp with no insulation is 55 degrees, what would the inside temp be with the added R25 of insulation? Then determine the payback period on that insulation.

    This is all conjecture...I am sure that when we get around to finishing the basement we will do some type of insulation, but it won't be R25 for sure (we have R21 in the walls upstairs). That would require spray foam which is just too expensive here.

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