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Posted by cesaly (My Page) on Thu, Nov 19, 09 at 14:45
| Has anyone compared home elevators? Thyssen-Krupps is so costly, but their new gearless technology might be the quietest, fastest, and safest. No machine oil odors and leaks. Does anything else come close? We're seventy years old, and not too long from now we won't be able to bound up and down the stairs. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Thyssenkrupp access volant gearless home elevator
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| You sound like a brochure from ThyssenKrupp. You should start with your needs rather than the drive system. Is this for an existing home? How many stops? Distance between stops? Platform size and cab height, door type. Is there room for a pit? Is there space greater than 8 ft above the first floor without cutting trusses, etc? |
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| Thanks so much, Macy. New home, three stops, 13'6" between stops, cab 40" x 54" (claustrophobic husband), room for a pit but not easily accessible, plenty of room above third-floor stop. I'm concerned about which system is safest, quietest, and easiest to maintain. I'm still getting over sticker shock. |
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| I'm curious to hear responses because I planned space in my new home for an elevator. Three stops, I heard two estimates in the $30K range. |
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| My installed price for a LEV counter-weighted elevator (made by Thyssen Krupp) was $29K. That was for three stops, the 40"x54" car, and upgrading to raised hardwood panels and the deluxe framed roof with 4 lights. Not a pittance obviously but, in comparison to the total cost of my build, certainly not enough to cause sticker shock. Also, if you are already AT the point where you need an elevator to get upstairs and your doctor will sign an order that it is a medical necessity, you may be able to write off a portion of the cost as a medical expense. Below is a link that outlines the requirements. Unfortunately DH and I are still in our fifties and our doctors are still pushing us to climb stairs as often as possible for exercise. So, tho we both have knee issues, neither of our doctors would sign the letter. I'm thinking of switching to a new doctor. LOL! |
Here is a link that might be useful: tax benefits of a home elevator
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| Bevangel, the Volant version is closer to 50K. I don't know that the gearless technology is worth the difference. Are you satisfied with your LEV? Acceptable operating noise level, speed, ease of maintenance? Also, we're building in the Portland area, don't know whether that makes a difference. I originally requested the LEV, and may end up with it yet. Have to decide this week. Thanks. |
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| We're still building and the elevator installation will happen right after Thanksgiving so I don't have first-hand experience re noise levels yet. Before I selected the Lev, I researched it in depth including driving over 100 miles to our "local" supplier where they had one installed on the premises that I could listen to and ride in. It didn't seem too noise to me there but then DH says I could sleep through a tornado. LOL. Plus, except for when we have overnight company, it is just DH and me and we tend to keep pretty much the same hours most of the time. I don't think one of us will be too likely to be running the elevator while the other is sleeping. I did position the elevator though so that it is not right up against any of the bedrooms. |
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| In my experience, there are 4 basic residential elevator lift drive systems. MACHINE ROOM (drive in space adjacent to shaft at any level) 1. Elect. winding drum & cable (gearless) - counterbalanced 2. Hydraulic piston NO MACHINE ROOM (drive mounted at top of lift frame) 1. Elect. winding drum & cable (gearless) - counterbalanced 2. Elect. gear & chain - counterbalanced They all have different advantages and disadvantage and are offered by the major manufacturers so it is best to talk to a company representative or a local installer. I have had good luck with Inclimator, a company that specializes in residential elevators. Their machine roomless gearless elevator is called the Inclinator LX and the other types are called the Elevette 100, 200, 300, and 400 depending on the cab quality. The Elevette 500 has no shaft. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Inclinator
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| Ha, my husband says I have bat ears and can hear small birds chirp a mile away. Our elevator shaft is located far from the bedroom walls, and still I worry. I researched the four options. The Thyssen-Krupp came out with an advanced drive system this year (Volant), but is it overkill? I don't know. I did NOT know Inclinator came out with what must be a comparable gearless drive (LX series). I will ask my project manager to compare the two and will report back. Thank you so much for the excellent advice, I just love this Forum. |
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| If you are concerned about noise you should consider the gearless drum drive in a machine room where the motor can be mounted on something other than the lifting frame which is anchored to the structure of the house. |
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| No longer an option. The foundation is poured and framing is halfway completed. (And here I thought I had researched the options thoroughly.) No complaints; I'm so grateful that we finally have the means to create our own special place, warts and all. |
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| Why are you asking about elevators if it's too late to do anything about what has already selected? Did I miss something? |
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| I'm asking: Is the new gearless drive technology (Volant, and now the Inclinator LX series) worth the significant additional cost? The elevator shaft is in place; we have to chose the make and model this coming week. |
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| We've an elevator made by Savaria Concord (hydraulic type), which cost us approx. 28K with all the options for the last 2 years. Very quite and happy with it so far! |
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| Don't know if you're in their market, but I'm pleased with our REI 3-stop elevator. It was already installed in the builder spec house we bought, and was one reason we chose our current house. The cab comfortably holds four people, although more often for us it's been one person in a wheelchair + one walking. All of the mechanicals are above the second floor and are reasonably quiet, in my opinion. I can hear it operating from the master bedroom, but it's not jarring. It's a little louder, for example, than our Panasonic WhisperWarm exhaust fan above the shower, but not half as noisy as the kitchen vent hood or SubZero 'frig noises, so it tends to blend in with other household background sounds. We did require one service call in the first year for a relatively minor problem. The company responded promptly. Hope this helps. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Residential Elevator
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| If you haven't already bought it, I would postpone the elevator installation until it's needed. I installed the structure but not the elevator in a home when the older of the two spouses was 75 and the husband lived to be 90 and didn't need the elevator. An elevator should be a necessity rather than a luxury IMHO. Stairs are probably not the best form of exercise but the motivation factor is very good. |
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| Haven't heard of REI, I'll check it out. Macy, that is a sobering thought. We are still mobile even though knees are letting it be known that stairs are not their favorite thing. Also, if we can wait, the cost might become more competitive in the near future; the gearless drive that caught my attention was unveiled not too long ago. Thanks so much, everyone, for helping us think this through. |
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I love this site! So we're in the engineering phase of our plans, and suddenly DH's mother has problems walking. They'll most likely live with us after the house is complete, so now we're thinking Elevator! We already have the space sketched out in our original plans (3 closets lined up). Can anyone give me a general rundown of the basic requirements? I know the foundation needs to be stronger, but macv's comment about a 'pit' threw me...we're building on a hillside, so the foundation is already crazy with those big concrete pillars 16 feet down, and a slab floor, I'm guessing, since it's a daylight basement/garage, with 2 stories above it. Do I have to have a pit? Can I just shore up the concrete under the elevator? Does anyone have a link to the building requirements needed for an elevator? TIA for any help possible! |
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| Don't let the word "pit" panic you. It is just an opening under the elevator so that when the elevator floor is level with the lowest floor in you house, there is room below for the structure that supports the elevator cab and any mechanical stuff your elevator needs. The depth of the required pit varies with the model of elevator you get. With the counter-weighted design I got (LEV by Thyssen Krupp), the pit only needed to be something like 6 inches deep. When my builder poured my slab foundation he created a pit that is about 14 inches deep - but most of that is totally wasted space. As I recall, there is a model called the Windsor that doesn't require any pit at all. Sorry I don't remember who makes it. Here is a link to a site that provides some basic information about different styles of home elevators. You can then look up each one on the web to get more info. My experience tho is that you can't get cost info without contacting a dealer in your area. |
Here is a link that might be useful: home elevator comparisons
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| bevangel, that was a great comparison site! Thanks for all the info! |
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| Another question...my arch. is using specs from WAUPACA ELEVATOR, their Paca Glide series. It's not one listed in this thread, so of course I have questions regarding this. I emailed him the ones that everyone here has listed, but he came up with that one. Are these things generally interchangeable? So if we build with specs for one of them, we can still decide on the actual elevator in the future (sort of like cesaly's situation)? You are all a fountain of weath; thanks! |
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| Don't know if this is any help, but we have a 4-level beach house and it has a very basic elevator. It's a tremendous help in hauling luggage, groceries, and moving furniture in & out. My 82-yr old Dad has trouble walking, so it's great for him. This is at the beach, where many/most houses have only entries on the bottom level, and most kitchen/family room areas are on a 3rd or 4th level to get ocean views. I just know ours is very basic, has to be one of the cheaper models (I don't know a brand name) but it was a fairly basic spec house. The elevator has been great for 4 years now. There WAS a death in our area....a 10 yr old girl somehow opened the door of a broken system while visiting a house....and was somehow killed. I personally will not have an elevator in my new house (only 2 levels) partly because this tall shaft in the 4-level house really freaks me out. When we very first bought the house, the elevator had a malfunction and stopped between floors. I had to open the door to get us out (I over-rode the safety latch) and when I opened it, the open tall shaft was exposed. I knew that, and was expecting it, but a visiting 1st grade child was standing there when I opened the door, and I nearly had heart failure. He was near the opening to the shaft. Of course I screamed at him to back up, and he did.....I am just not comfortable with that tall shaft in my house. (I'm trying to sell the house.) But still, the elevator is great. I've never had a problem with it again, and I do have it inspected each year. I don't know who installed the elevator, but have a local electrician company service it, and they are very reasonable. (They are qualified or certified or something for these elevators.) |
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| If an elevator only serves two levels it is impossible to fall down the shaft unless the cab has been removed in which case the doors should be locked. |
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| Reviving an old thread rather than starting a new one. : ) We are building a 2 story home on pilings on the coast (so essentially 3 floors/3 stops). Looking for more opinions on elevators please. Distance between stops will be approx. 10-12 feet each (9' ceilings plus trusses between floors, exact ground floor pilings height currently unknown), a pit of 6-12" or even more is no problem, need an elevator with NO separate mechanical room. I was told that the chain drive is one of the best options for a coastal application because hydraulics are supposed to have a tendancy to breakdown after a few years. So far, I have had 2 quotes ... $16,500 - LEV elevator from ThyssenKrupp, counterweighted geared chain drive, standard 36x48 (interior dimensions) car with no upgrades or options, standard interior finish melamine or unfinished wood (birch/oak/cherry) panels, standard wall mounted phone, Type 1 - Left Hand Car with Standard Pocket Gate Stack - Rail Side, 950 lb capacity, includes 5yr parts 2yr labor warranty $17,295 - LLT-950 elevator from REI (Residential Elevators Inc), counterweighted geared traction/cable?/chain? drive, their standard car is custom measured and fit to your hoistway and will be more or less the same size as the LEV, standard 'Classic series' car with no upgrades or options, standard interior finish white laminate or factory finished wood (oak/birch) panels, standard built in phone, type HP-2 - Left Hand Car with Standard Pocket Gate Stack - Rail Side, 950 lb capacity, includes 1yr parts & labor warranty One thing I do really like about REI is this from their brochure ... ALUMINUM & STAINLESS STEEL Because our factory and headquarters are located less than 10 miles from the Gulf of Mexico in Florida’s Panhandle, everything we engineer and build is designed to withstand the harsh and humid environment of the South’s coastal communities. The Difference - Built to last in the most extreme environments - even if you are not located in one. |
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| Stainless and aluminum in a marine climate require galvanic isolation between the two. In particular, stainless fasteners in aluminum structures are a major problem, unless proper steps are taken to isolate the two. REI may be doing it right, but I would be very careful to check them out thoroughly. Improper use of the best materials for the job can be worse than correct use of inferior but acceptable materials. |
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| http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/16/home-elevater-death-trap-elderly-ga-couple-stuck-inside/ Something to think about |
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| Wow, that's so sad and for the family as well. This home will be equipped with a phone in the elevator. It is a requirement. Thanks for the heads up creekside ... this is good to know and now I will be sure to check thoroughly about aluminum and stainless throughout the home, not just in the elevator. Of course, I am not set on it being one of those 2 manufacturers - these were just the only 2 I have contacted so far. I got some other names from up-post that I will be contacting as well. Thank you both for your posts. I appreciate any kind of responses for opinions on elevators. Whether it be thoughts on manufacturers, first-hand experience, suggestions, or safety things to consider, or whatever ! |
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| I am also looking at a home elevator. I have a rare motor neuron disease (PLS) and one of many symptoms is weak balance. I am looking at several options. I have stairs that turn half way up so a single straight stairlift is no good. I could use a stairlift that turns but that is expensive (over 10K) and it adds minimal value to the house. I could use 2 straight stairlifts. You can get them used so maybe 2K to 3K installed. PLS is a progressive disease so I don’t know how long I could use a stairlift. I could sell the house and buy a small single story condo. This has a lot of appeal but the resale market is poor. I have a good size house with lots of closets. Unfortunately none line up and no 2nd story closet is in spot that allows for an elevator on the first floor. I have had 3 companies in. ThyssenKrupp and Inclinator had no viable recommendations. The last company was an independent dealer was very helpful. He said the only viable option was to install it on the outside. He had a list of builders that had experience in elevator shafts. I am checking out the cost now. I have a perfect spot for it. He recommended the Waupaca dual cable system – 16K installed. He said ThyssenKrupp has a similar model but is 5K more. The hydraulic system is 4K more and provides no benefit. It can handle 800 lbs. This will be plenty for a power chair and 2 adults. A cable system only has to be inspected every 5 years. A hydraulic system needs to be inspected annually. The cable system needs a 6" pit. It also needs a 2 x 4 machine room. You can mount the cable system above the elevator but it costs 2K more. Also, it is hard to service. His comment is the noise is about a third of a vacuum cleaner. After a few days you will not notice it. From what I could tell all the models are reliable after any initial problems are fixed. They do need to make the elevator ready to have a land-line phone (federal requirement). There is no requirement to actually have a phone unless it is a local code. I may leave a cell phone in there just in case. He commented that it could add 20K to the value of a home. I am not sure about 20K. I plan to check this out. I can deduct some of the expense due to medical necessity. |
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| ANyone compare the Thyssen-Krup and Residential to the Otis models? JUst starting down this path. WOuld be very curious to hear about the resolution of the galvanic issue of stainless and aluminum in marine environments. Thanks. |
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I install both Otis, and TK residential elevators. Both are great units. The Thyssen-Krupp Lev is a wonderful lift, quiet, inexpensive, and very quick to install. Start to finish it takes two of us 5 to 6 days. The Otis lift is the most solid elevator I have installed. With the LEV the floor is made of about 1 inch plywood. With an Otis you start with a 1/4 inch this steel pan, then a 1 1/4 thick ply. (Once you add flooring to it you are looking at 2 1/4 just on the floor, very stable.) Depending on where the machine room is located the Otis doesn't make much noise. The pump hums as it ascends and only a click on the way back down. From start to finish an Otis will take about 9 to 10 days for 2 to install. I know that this isn't the most informative post but I do hope it helps. Please look at our website for more Info. www.UpwardMobilityPlus.com Located in Upstate South Carolina. |
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| Ordered a home elevator from RIemi elevators, she promised two week turn around. Four weeks later and countless excuses later my elevator was installed by another company not Remi. We have had countless issues and it takes forever for anyone to answer the phone and once again a different company to come out and service it. Remi is just a middle man, when all is said and done they aren't much cheaper. If a couple hundred dollars are keeping you from getting an elevator then you really can't afford one. Stay clear of this Remi company! |
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