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| I'm to the point where I have to choose insulation and I know the knowledgable folks here will offer good advice as they have for me in the past.
I have a bid for blown in cellulose or fiberglass in the walls with cellulose in the attic and batts in the garage for $4500. I also have a bid for OC foam in the walls and blown in cellulose in the attic/batts in the garage for $5800. I don't think the foam quote is too out of line, but I'm wondering if it's worth the extra $1300. I would like an efficient home, but my budget is tight so I want to do what makes the most sense in the long term without breaking the bank now. Here is some info that may help: - 3000 sf heated
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I guess I'm just wondering if the extra cost for the foam is worth it considering all of the other decisions I've already made that are not conducive to a super tight envelope. The blown in stuff seems like it might make more sense but I'd like to hear what others think. Also, if anyone has an opinion on choosing blown in fiberglass over cellulose or vice versa, I'd love to hear it as well. Thanks in advance as always. |
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- Posted by david_cary (My Page) on Wed, Sep 19, 12 at 4:46
| $1300 is pretty cheap. Foam is better than fiberglass for a number of reasons but it usually isn't worth the upcharge for walls. Since yours is so cheap, it is probably worth it in the long run. Foaming the rafters is only done if the attic is unvented. It would probably have been worth it since your foam is so cheap but I am guessing it is too late. If you are sensitive to smells, I suppose an ERV is always worth it. Whether you are required to get an ERV depends on other decisions also and not simply foam vs fiberglass. Each climate is of course different but I wonder what prompted 2x6 walls in your climate? Seems like 2x4 + foam sheathing would be cheaper and more effective. In a cooling environment, walls are a minor expense. I have a bigger house, 2x4 with batts and I think my cooling cost is $50 a year from the walls (and even that is over estimated). With 2x6 and your size house, your walls might be $20 a year. Going to foam isn't going to save much.. Now if you have significant heating needs, than an 80% furnace is a dinosaur. |
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- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Wed, Sep 19, 12 at 9:17
| We went with closed cell foam which was very expensive. Your upcharge doesn't seem like that much. With the closed cell, we needed no vapor barrier. But we are in the northeast so we have heating needs far more than cooling ones. I can tell you that we did have an odor from the closed cell, which did dissipate over time, but once the sheetrock went up and covered it, the smell was completely gone. I can also tell you that for sound deadening, it's phenomenal. When the house is closed up, we hardly hear any external sounds. The house is very quiet. |
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| what makes little sense to me here is your equipment is in an unconditioned, vented attic. Your money is better spent getting that inside the insulated shell than foam in your walls. Foam will seal it up nicely, but then again, so will caulk which is a fraction of the price. I would see if its possible to close your vents and foam the rafters. Or you can talk to your builder if you can separate it off into its own space and foam that. Even at 1300 difference, I would probably skip the foam and go with caulk/spot foaming your penetrations (electrical, plumbing, etc) and blow in cellulose. Also remember everyone focuses on the walls for air sealing. You also need to air seal the attic or roof. In vented attics, that means your gyp ceiling is now your air barrier. This needs sealed just like the exterior walls. Air tight cans need rims sealed around them, any junction boxes in the ceiling needs sealed above where wires enter and to the gyp, and where your gyp meets interior walls/partitions also needs sealed. Obviously if you foam the roof deck, you will not need to do any of this. |
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- Posted by energy_rater_la (My Page) on Thu, Sep 20, 12 at 12:03
| for the mininal upcharge to switch to foam in walls I can't believe that you'd even come close to the R-value code required for your area. open cell is R-4 per inch. besides if you put foam sheathing to the exterior of walls on this same site, look for the air tight drwyall approach information.(this is a REALLY good site that you should bookmark and do some reading) put foam sheathing on exterior of walls as per link, now for roof..you've invested in a radiant barrier. personally, I'd upgrade to higher efficiency gas furnace if not upgrading furnace..then foam sealed attic would foam in walls..not a good idea. long payback for something IF the house is tight..and foam is used in attic with efficiency and comfort cost is always upfront best of luck. |
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