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Posted by kelntx (My Page) on Mon, Aug 27, 07 at 0:49
| from walking through your house?! We went out to our property today and saw a car pulling out of the construction drive. We pulled in and a minute later they turned around and came back. It was someone from the subdivision. He introduced himself and stated he and his wife have walked through the house a few times. After talking with him for some time he started to ask all kinds of questions, what type of tubs etc. It really made me feel out of sorts. We have a no trespassing sign up but clearly he, and I am sure others, have paid no heed to it. DH bought a camera but he has been using it to watch the wildlife. I told him the camera needs to be put up near the house. I did mention the camera that we have out there and he said "oh!! You have a camera set up?!?"
Am I being silly on this? It really bothers me to think that later on down the road when our tubs, fixtures etc are in that our neighbors are walking through and looking at everything. I think it is rude honestly. I have never walked through a home that was being built unless it said open house. DH and I are thinking about buying more trespassing signs and putting up more signs that say under surveillance. I also plan on telling the GC about this as he stated on Thursday he was going to have a simple security system put in to watch the house. He is also planning on putting up a temp wall in the garage so that when the back and front door are locked up at night no one can get in through the garage.
What have you done to keep people out or do you not mind if strangers walk through your home? LOL! I did decide that the next time someone stops by and states they have been through the house I am going to say:
Please feel free to stop by when you see us here if you would like to take a look but we have to ask that if we are not here to abide by the no trespassing signs. We would hate for someone to get hurt since this is a construction site.
*sigh* always something isn't it! :-) |
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| I have walked thru 100's of homes under construction and I know that many, many people have walked thru mine. Until your house is secure with doors and windows you should expect the walk-thrus to continue. I don't think this is a big deal at all. |
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| I understand your feelings. And I think you're on the right track with the ideas you have. The other thing you might say to nosy neighbors is that it's really not a good idea to be on the property because of all the construction site thefts--that the house is under surveillance and you'd hate to see them have to "answer questions" about their activities on the property. And I'd promptly post lots of No Trespassing and Under Surveillance signs. Could you put just a rope/chain with a No Trespassing sign hanging from it across the construction driveway? It'll annoy the crew, of course, and they might not hook it back after leaving. But if that can be dealt with it would be one more small measure. Here's the thing, though. You're not going to stop the thieves (probably) and you're not going to stop the boldest and incredibly nosy neighbors. The only good thing about it is that you won't run into most of them and what you don't know won't hurt you. It really won't. OTOH, if you have a camera and have to watch all of them then you will know, and it will weigh on your mind. Not that you can stop them. Here's an off-the-wall idea: You could have a sign printed up and post it: To My New Neighbors: For you safety and protection, please don't enter our construction zone. As soon as we move in we'll open the house for a tour so you can see the finished project and meet us. Please contact us at XXXXXX so we can put you on the guest list. Looking forward to meeting you then! Now, most people will not bother to take you up on the offer, so you might not have to actually follow through. It's a polite way to put them on notice and to distinguish them from the nasty intruders and thieves. You'll seem like a good neighbor. If anyone does contact you, then have a really simple Tour Our House (for 2 hours). NO FOOD dragged through your new house. Do not call it an Open House; they'll expect food. It's not a party; more like a Tour of Homes where they don't feed you. |
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| I think we've had a few uninvited visitors and it doesn't btoher me yet but I can see once we start getting more stuff inside the house I'll feel funny about it. We now have a gate across the road because we're keeping a lot of materials and equipment at the site. My husband is on site everyday and he says he gets neighbors stopping by for a look every other day or so. We don't mind that at all. they seem to show up within minutes of him arriving so I'm guessing they're looking for him so they can drop in. |
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charliedawg-I respectfully disagree with your comments. I don't think that you should expect this, and I most certainly feel that it is a big deal. This type of behavior is completely unacceptable, not least of all because these are construction sites where inexperienced people can and will get hurt. I think that someone walking through a sold home, regardless of what stage the construction project is at, is exactly the same thing as someone walking through a finished home that just happens to have an open front door! It is rude at the least and illegal at the worst. I'm sure that we've had people walk through our home when we're not there (even though there are no trespassing signs up!), and I don't know how to stop them entirely. However, the one time that someone was there when I arrived, I asked them to leave and wrote down their license plate number. I would be far less concerned if it was a neighbor than "just someone who happened" to be in the neighborhood. Your neighbor was probably just trying to make conversation by asking about the finishes, etc...he might have thought that you'd be excited to talk about it!! Aren't you the one with the tremendously messy worksite? I'm surprised that that alone doesn't keep people away! |
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| I have no idea how many people have been through our home, I'm sure there have been people we don't know. Mostly though I think it's our neighbors. Early on we told them to feel free to walk through and check out the progress, but to be very careful. Some walk through and tell me they did, which doesn't bother me at all. Some have waited to be invited for a tour. Now it's locked up, so unless they go during the day when the workers are there or come in the evening when I'm there I think it will stop. I can completely understand your feelings. It just never bothered me. The one thing I always stress is to please be very careful because it is a constructions site, and to please not bring their kids. I didn't even allow my own in there, too dangerous. That, and we asked the neighborhood boys to stop dirt biking around the back of the house, although I could understand the urge to do so when we had huge mounds of dirt! I explained to them not just that I was concerned for their safety, but that there were nails and stuff that could ruin their (precious) bikes!! They haven't been back to the best of my knowledge:-) It just depends on your personal feelings about the matter. I've never "caught" anyone in there that we didn't know. Our current neighbors have also gone down now and then and always report back to me. "They got (fill in the blank) installed, looks great!" or "Make sure they don't get lazy and (fill in the blank)". A lot of our current neighbors are friends, and many have construction and painting experience. I thought of it as they were watching our backs. When we went to the beach for 2 weeks, a couple of them checked progress regularly, and I was grateful. Again, these are people we know. I think you are completely justified. Also, depending on whether your gc has that mess cleaned up, tell them it is for their own safety, and you are telling the truth!! Amy |
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| It doesn't bother me with one exception: There were a few times I was at the house and someone decided to take a tour. I would make sure to let them know that I was the owner by saying hello and asking if I could help them. If the person said, "Oh, are your the owner? Do you mind if I look around?" I would say sure. If they blew me off, I would say it was private property and asked them to leave. I can't stand rudeness. |
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| OK, the more I think about this the more I think there's a real safety issue too. And there is potential liability if you "allow" people onto a construction zone. So, as long as we're putting up signage, go ahead and add a "Enter At Your Own Risk" and a "Hardhats Only Area" sign. |
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| Charliedawg, I 100% agree with you! Maybe it's because we've always lived in Subdivisions and this is a common occurance to see people walking through an unfinished home. If I was building out in the country like many posters here, I might feel differently. We have 10 new custom homes on our street. We walk through them to see the progress weekly. I see others doing the same and it never bothered me a bit. It was up to the builder to make sure the home was secured when it was needed. Usually once the drywall and paint goes up, there is a lock. If I ever saw a No Trespassing sign however, I would never set foot on the property. Lindy |
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| There are currently many homes under construction in our area and I would never even THINK to go into one of them without permission. Safety is one thing, but personally, I think of it as private property and that a home under construction IS still someone’s home. We have one neighbor who simply opened the door and walked into our unfinished home while we were inside and started nosing around. This same neighbor is extremely nosy to the point of where she even bothers the builders, asks to look at the house plans and takes pictures. Talk about invasion of privacy! |
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| I used to often go into homes under-construction, usually multi-million dollar mansions. That's how I met my favourite architect--he was doing a single wing of a reproduction 2nd Century Roman villa. But since 1990, things have tightened up. Almost all new infill homes are surrounded by temporary steel fences with padlocked gates. If there are more than a couple luxury homes under way, there may even be 24-hour security. I fence my sites and post NO TRESPASSING signs. Of course, this doesn't keep a dedicated thief out. But securing your property from damage is only part of the equation. More important, fencing and posting reduces your liability if one of your uninvited guests injures or kills himself while touring your site. Close your windows too! One morning we cornered a masked bandit who had snuck in through an open window. We gave him room to escape. Damn raccoons. |
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| We know that we get alot of nosy traffic thru our house. Mostly neighbors. However, DH was told by the next door neighboor that kids were skateboarding thru the house. She scared them and they left. Buy who knows how many times it happened before or after that occurance. We also see alot a golf cart tracks all over the front and back yard. It would matter to us more if the ground cover was not weeds but the nerve people have. Not only are they trespassing, they are doing it with a motorized vehicle. DH has still not put up no trespass signs. I worry though that if one of these kids get injured while skateboarding thru our private property's construction site, even though they are trespassing, who do the parents come after? Us probably. I'd love to come across someone while they were exploring my home. We have had other neighbors stop while we were at the house. |
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| I agree w/ Charlie & Lindy..... DH & I have been thru so many houses under construction. Of course, we'll tend to refrain from going through houses that have a 'Sold' or 'Under Contract' sign out front. I don't think it's a big deal, but now that we're building & almost done w/ our house, I tell you, I will get a kink in my neck, turn my nose up & look kinda cross-eyed when I see 'lookers' pulling into our driveway or walking up to our house! But then I stop, think just how many times have I done that, & chill-out. Our house has an 'Under Contract" sign out front, but that hasn't stopped the ones that we've seen...... But no, I really don't think you can stop the lookers & nosy rosies 'til the house is actually locked-up. We have locks now, but it's not locked of course as workers are still coming & going. How can you really stop anybody from coming & going 'til you're actually in, so why stress about it? |
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| We expected people to walk through until the doors were in and locked. Once our house had doors that could be locked people stopped walking in. Have your builder put in temporary doors with locks on them. My DH would go and look through houses under construction (without doors) to look at different foundation systems, quality of work of different subcontractors, different floor systems, waterproofing systems, etc.--all things that get covered up in finished homes. He learned a lot doing that. I was happy to let other people walk through our new construction so that they could learn those same things from our site. A house can be closed up pretty quickly so people really aren't going to see much. |
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| What an interesting thread! When we were considering our builder, they gave us a list of about 20 homes that were under construction and encouraged us to visit them. We visited nearly every one. Sometimes no one was there, but since we usually went on weekends, we often found the owners there. We always introduced ourselves, explained the reason for our visit and asked permission to tour the home. With one exception, the owners were gracious, proud of their home and happy to show us arround. They were also fountains of information about the builder and the subs. When our home was being built, I simply assumed we'd have visitors. Most of our visitors were our new neighbors and it was a good way to meet them and let them get to know us. We are in a rural area and just were not uptight or paranoid about it. |
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| On my recently completed project, I had to warn off one neighbour who thought it was fine to kibbitz with the framers as they were working in the house and offer advice to the tilesetter as he was setting tile. Eventually, the owner warned him that the police would be called if he didn't stay off the property. So he was reduced to sidling up to the fence to see what he could hear. |
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| I try to avoid commenting on these types of issues, but this one just set me off today... Some of you may have seen this sign before: "Never mind the dog. Beware of Owner." That's the type of sign I'd put up. Frankly, I cannot believe the audacity (and ignorance) of people who believe that it is their right (or that it is "OK") to put their foot (or finger) prints on stuff that they know is not theirs. Doesn't matter if a house is 'sold' or not; somebody owns it and is responsible for it "as is". Unless you have permission, you DO NOT have the right... Did your parents teach you anything about respect for other people's property?!?! --RANT OFF-- Now to go find some caffeine... |
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| Having just anyone on your build isn't a good idea but IMHO not everyone is the enemy. We live in a very small populated area. One road in-same road out type place. Minimum acreage is 2 acres to build (most have 5 or more) so neighbors are somewhat away from one another. Because it's also a tourist area neighbors are good at watching out for each other and since we've moved in we've developed a great rapport with them. Even with no trespassing tape and signs, it never bothered me a bit to hear that a neighbor had come through on occasion to check our progress. Heck it took 3 years to complete this house so I would expect them to be a bit courious. I appreciated developing a relationship with my neighbors before we moved in as added "eyes" against theft or damage to our build. To give an example, one neighbor called us when 35 tourist decided to use our build to play in the snow. Wiring, nails, forms, etc. all around the build (get the picture?). It was a 25 minute drive to our site and by the time we got there we found out another neighbor came over and simply kicked them off our land. If I had alienated my neighbors who knows what the outcome might have been. |
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| Back from vacation,(too short btw--aren't they all?),and what a great thread! We have only gone through homes under construction while trying to decide on which builder to go with. Usually the contractor met us at the homesite, but there were a few times that they weren't able to, but we always made sure that we asked whoever was there if we could walk through and explained our purpose for touring. I don't think I would care if someone came to look at our house while under construction, but I'm not on that end of it yet so I can't say for sure. It will be a hike for them to get to our homesite anyway, so good luck to them and I hope they don't get stuck! LOL! BTW, I wouldn't do that tour only thing for the neighbors someone suggested. If you want to meet neighbors and make friends, then I would just have a "bring your favorite covered dish" party or a cookout which you could keep everyone outside, (if you are worried about mess) and then give tours. Food makes friends-- at least for me!LOL! The other thing to think about--isn't this one of those "good" problems to worry about during a build? Hang in there! Wish I was as far as you! |
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| I guess I could see how for some it would not bother you. For me, like I said, I never have walked into someone else's home unless there was a open house sign. I do not feel like I am being uptight about I just really don't think anyone has the right to be looking around our house without us being there. Granted, I know that there are people who want to know but, when I pull up to my house I sure do not want to see some strange man walking out. Creeps me out. Yes, he probably was just asking to ask and we told him about some of our choices and were very polite. He did mention how he couldn't wait to see the appliances and I about feel over! My friend is also building a home. They are almost done with their house and she told me the other day a man and women where coming out of the house around lunch time when the workers were gone. They were neighbors and they stated they wanted to get an update on the house. She was not happy to hear them say "how cute the little girls room was". To me that is just wrong. Total invasion of someones home whether that home is just now framed or almost done, same thing to me I guess. Our GC said he informs the crews that if someone comes up they are to ask them to please leave since they are not the homeowners and that this is a construction site. The framers told me one lady said she was walking through whether they liked it or not. I laughed about it at first but yesterday when I saw the car pulling out (they had backed in) it freaked me out. We are very rural, each lot is at least 7 acres. I guess this is on of those subjects we can agree to disagree! I am going to put up more signs though. |
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| Why don't you have your builder put up temporary plywood doors or put up chains across doorways, stating no trespassing? Strangers walking on or through your property is creepy. I was creeped out when my neighbor decided to use my back yard as a short cut to the store down the road. He did it while I was there. I thought that was real nervy. Here's our door on the front of the house. We've installed the permanent doors on the side and back already.
I don't know in which order builders put houses together, but since my DH was building ours I wanted to make sure it was secured ASAP. As soon as the framing went in we put in the windows and rear doors and this temporary one on the front. No, I don't want anyone walking through my house even if it is just 2 x 4's and plywood. We made sure we built the garage first so we could store supplies and we feel comfortable that things are secure. |
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| Worthy, next time that happens,tell your subs to hand the guy some tools and get busy.Free help and labor for your subs! Kidding, but a floor covering friend did just that when the homewowner attempted to tell him how to do his job. |
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| Our GC is going to be putting up a piece of ply board across inside the garage. He wasn't to worried about it since nothing was in the house but this week they are doing the electrical and he does not want anyone just walking around the house. I know we can not keep out the ones who want to steal and I really am not trying to not be friendly honest :-) I have met a few of our neighbors and have told them to please feel free to look through the house when they see us there. My feelings are that if I put up a sign asking for people to stay out I think they should respect that. DH said he is going to paint on a board "NO TRESSPASSING....that means YOU!" LOL! I know this is a simple thing to deal with and I sure hope I am not posting in a few weeks we got robbed! My friend who is building who I mentioned about the little girls room, they had their house broken into the other night. They punched holes in a few walls, turned over a left over paint container that got all over the freshly painted walls and cabinets and punched a hole in the front door (construction door). Such a shame. I guess after today we will be able to see all the people coming and going with the camera. The GC is also going to put up a simple security system to track who is coming in and out of the driveway and house. Worthy - thanks for the advice on the little bandits! |
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I live in a very rural area where most everyone knows one another, and around here it is not inappropriate to visit someone's construction site and take a peek. Up until the last couple years, there was relatively little new construction here, and people are curious. When anyone I know asks me about the house, I always invite them to stop in and look at it whenever they're out that way. If you were snarky about people coming to your site, you would not be well perceived around here. That said, I would probably feel very differently about it if I were building in a development or a neighborhood where there would be strangers coming through. Even then, though, you don't want to antagonize them if they're your future neighbors. |
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| I just do not see by my asking people not to walk through our home without us there as being "snarky". I am not talking to them in a sarcastic tone and I am very friendly to the neighbors who stop by. I offer them to walk through the home if they like and we have talked with different folks on different occasions for a great length of time when we really wanted to just get to work. I would never be rude to anyone and ask them to leave and not show them our home if they took the time to stop by and introduce themselves. I have to say if by asking them not to walk through my home when we are not present is perceived in a rude and unfriendly matter then maybe that is their fault and not mine. Would they like it if I walked up to their home and asked to walk through just because I was curious? I keep thinking back to my friend who is almost done with her home. Some strange man and women is walking around in her daughters bedroom, their bedroom, looking through their appliances, touching their property....I don't think so. After much thought on this today, going out to the property today and reading these posts I do not feel like I am being silly about it. No trespassing means just that, no trespassing. If I am perceived as rude by my neighbors well then I guess there is nothing I can do about it. I will just be glad when no one can just walk through on their own once the wall in the garage goes up. |
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| By the time appliances are installed, the doors and windows should be installed with locks. When our house got to the point of having valuable components added, the doors were installed and locked. (Of course the key was kept on top of the electric meter so subs could get in. And anyone who knew the protocol would have been able to do the same.) A "no tresspassing" sign is certainly your right, but the kind of folks you are worried about probably wouldn't be deterred by it. In our neighborhood, a "no tresspassing" sign would be perceived as unfriendly, but neighborhoods do differ. You are the one who will have to live with the neighbors - if they percieve you as being snarky, it will be your problem. Personally I value having a good relationship with my neighbors. When we are away, I like knowing that if they saw something suspicious, they'd act. On the other hand, if they disliked me, they could easily think, "Well, hmmm" and do nothing. |
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| It's over a mile from my property line to the new house, and I still have people strolling through. I don't like it, but I'm also not going to invest a lot of time, effort and emotion in stopping them: with all the stress of a new house, this is just not a battle I'm willing to fight. |
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| If the property belonged to me, it would bother me, if somebody would just enter. But usually, the lot + house under construction belongs to the builder/developer until closing. When my previous house was built, even though I signed a contract to buy the finished house, I didn't care at all, if some stranger entered during construction because it wasn't mine to begin with. In fact, when I entered the construction site, even though it was "my" future home, it wasn't really different from a stranger entering. So before you get all upset seeing other people in "your" future house: Ask yourself, do you actually own the land already? |
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| Kelntx: You are not being unfriendly AT ALL by not expecting people to walk all over your property and home while you are not there!! If someone thinks you are being "unfriendly" that is their problem. I would never want some stranger (even a future neighbor) poking around my property and in MY home and getting up in my business. Now, after we moved in and we got to KNOW one another and were friends, they would be MORE than welcome to come over. We have wonderful relationships with all of our neighbors. Each person has their own personal boundaries that should be respected. Any good neighbor knows that. |
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| I am building in a new division and the subs across the street doing the sitework for the foundation would come over and sit in the shade on my porch and take their break. That wouldn't be so bad but they left all their trash, paper sacks, empty bottles and cans, and the thing that set me off was the watermelon rinds that was covered in ants. I don't want their trash attracting bugs and rodents. I posted no trespassing signs and my builder went over there and told them to knock it off. So far they haven't been back. |
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| jrldh - we paid cash for our land so yes....we do own the land. We borrowed on the house and put more then our fair share down so I feel pretty good in saying it is my house and my land. |
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| My husband and I had this experience, and we reacted to it differently. I'm from the deep South, where everyone is neighborly. I just thought it was natural curiousity; our neighbors wanted to see what their new neighbors' house would look like! We live in a community of custom homes, 117 lots, and only about 20 or so houses built thus far. So everyone is interested, and we got quite a few walk-throughs before our doors were up. My husband, on the other hand, was bothered by it. He was raised in VA, where the culture is a bit more stiff & formal. He didn't feel like they were going to rob us, but he just wasn't used to people coming over without an invitation, and feeling free to look at our plans in the doc box and walk through the house. He eventually got over it; it's better to keep on good terms with the neighbors, and I explained the whole "it's fair game until the door is up" philosophy to him :) Cheers! Heather W |
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| We had teenagers partying in our house this afternoon from the call I just received. I guess I shouldn't be upset about it. "It's fair game until the door is up". I guess the construction door and back door that is locked means nothing. I guess if their parents can walk through the house they can party in it. Maybe they were just curious. |
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| This is so strange. The reality is that these "curious" people, and partying teenagers, are breaking the law. They're trespassing. And they're putting themselves a bit at risk by being on a construction site. And therein lies the fun of it! Doing something illegal, naughty, but it's so unlikely to get them in trouble that they enjoy their little thrill. I swear, I think that's part of it. If it's not your property, it's not your property whether someone lives there or it's only partly built. I have gone through production builders' homes in a new subdivision before the "for sale" sign goes up. And I recall feeling I was doing something a bit sneaky. And, therefore, fun! Like some other activities that come to mind, it's more fun if it's forbidden and a little risky. Sick, but there you have it. My explanation of the moment. So, Kelly, I think you're fighting a losing battle. You can't fight human nature. Well, you can, but it will cost you. Just try to think about other things since you're moving rapidly toward the end of the problem. I'm on your side of the issue, BTW. But I don't think you're gonna win this one. |
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| You could look at it this way - In the big picture, if this is the biggest problem you're dealing with, then your build is going very well. With locked doors, how did the partying teenagers get in? |
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| I agree pinktoes They got in through the garage. I give on this battle and save my energy for the next! |
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| I just built a home and I would never walk through an un built home. It's trespassing for one thing and if people walk through my unfinished home I have no problem walking into their home at any time. It's rude - AND I'M A LIBERAL! LOL |
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Kelnxt, I decided to put up a temporary door to keep people out as much as possible. I also posted "No Trespassing" and "Keep Out" signs after lumber was taken from my garage (thankfully we got it back). The individual who took my lumber was working on a house next door……..get this, he was also supposed to be doing some work for me. I guess he’d been in my house a few times after our initial meeting checking out the materials in my house. BTW, my DH (also GC) fired the fool. Like a couple of others have stated, it’s rude for someone to come on your personal property like they own it, finished or not! I think it’s best for the onlooker(s) to ask for permission to view your home or any home, it just being courteous. It doesn’t matter if your house is in drywall, painting, flooring or whatever stage, you are entitled to feel however you want to feel about your house. Do what you feel you need to do, you probably won’t be able to deter all trespassers, but at least you’ll cut down on some unwanted traffic. Good luck, HB |
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| I would be whizzed if teenagers were partying in my new construction. How far away are you from the local law? How long would it take them to respond? I would definately post no trespassing signs where they can be clearly seen. This serves as their warning. If you catch them partying in their again, call the law and let them take care of it. The last thing you need in there is some teenager in there smoking and setting the place on fire from carelessly throwing down the cigs. Or if they are out their drinking and getting hurt on your property. Here is a question? If you are getting financing, do you really own the house until closing? We owned the land outright before the construction started? We are paying as we go, but he builder liened the land before construction started. It seems like we owned leined land, but the house hasn't been completed and signed over to us even though we have paid the draws up until this point. If someone got hurt, I wonder how the liability would play out. CB |
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Quoting djm3: "Kelntx: You are not being unfriendly AT ALL by not expecting people to walk all over your property and home while you are not there!! If someone thinks you are being "unfriendly" that is their problem. I would never want some stranger (even a future neighbor) poking around my property and in MY home and getting up in my business. Now, after we moved in and we got to KNOW one another and were friends, they would be MORE than welcome to come over. We have wonderful relationships with all of our neighbors. Each person has their own personal boundaries that should be respected. Any good neighbor knows that." Ditto that! I'm sorry you have to deal with all that, kelntx. Such a shame that those kids were in there partying. My parents didn't raise me to do such things and I can't imagine making myself at home in someone else's house. I sure hope there wasn't any damage. Our home site is up on a hill, hidden amongst the trees, with a 700' gated driveway. We put in natural barriers along our road frontage (large stones, mounded garden beds, trees, etc.) to keep people from driving onto the property. I really don't think signs are enough to deter people. Prior to installing the gate, several people drove right up to neb around. I found that just amazing. They have no idea what is going on up there and the fact that they may get hurt or run over something didn't even seem to cross their minds. I don't mind my immediate neighbors stopping by while we are there and I have appreciated their kindness. But that's as far as it goes. We are private people and just because we are building a new home, that doesn't give every Tom, Rick, & Harry a license to roam around our property. That's called TRESPASSING, and that is what the camera's are for. In my case, I think the gate has been enough. But, if people are brazen enough to walk all the way up there...well.....say cheese! I would have no problem taking the video to the state police. I'm not going to stand for any trespassing. I don't think that's unreasonable. |
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| Wow, so many varied responses here. I guess it really does depend on the situation, I dunno. I've never felt like a rude person who's parents didn't teach manners when I walked thru a framed house. Our builder encouraged us to do so, especially in the beginning when we were deciding on floor plans and room sizes. I think Lindy and I have the same experiences. Up until now I've always lived in a subdivision that had new subdivisions popping up all around it. When 30-40 houses are being build right next to you everybody walks thru them and talks about them. Some of those walk-thrus lead to sells for the builder. I really, truly never gave it a second thought and didn't care at all when people walked thru our home. Now if teenagers threw a party I'd call the police, but a curious couple spending a couple minutes admiring my home just seemed normal to me. I kind of agree w/ hmp....maybe it's a regional thing. |
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| Our new neighbors have photos of the inside of our house as they watched the process. At first I thought WTF - who cares, but then they started pointing out flaws and problems that we might have to deal with. However - they were not problems when we spoke to the builder. I REALLY did not appreciate it that they would just walk right in and look around at our cupboards and so forth when we were not there. Then take photos. |
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| You know charliedawg, I think the regional thing does have a bit to do with it. We are in the construction business and most of our work is performed in housing developments. You see all sorts of people coming and going in and out of the homes all day long, never knowing who they are. And most of them are still owned by the builder so i'm sure they encourage the walk-thru's. But out here in the boonies I think it's more that people want to neb or steal. They aren't looking at floor plans, unfortunately. |
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| I don't think this is a regional thing...I think it is a class thing. And by class, I mean manners, politeness, and respect for others' property. I wouldn't go into someone's home without asking if I should take my shoes off first, let alone enter without an invitation!!! I am a little shocked that anyone thinks that this is okay to wander through "sold" homes. Why would anyone think it is their right to enter someone else's property without an invitation? I'm surprised by a few posters comments that they wouldn't care about people being on their property...especially since they have previously posted about their materials being stolen from the jobsite. You'd think that would emphasize the importance of not allowing visitors... |
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| Dixie, are you really going to go there? Whatever..... |
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| I agree with mamabird - there is a difference between walking thru a builder home that's for sale and one that is privately owned. The thread I posted on about our experience has rolled off. We owned our lot before we found a GC and we paid for the house as it was being built. So no, I did not like to find out someone had been walking around my home when I wasn't there and I didn't like them coming in, walking around when I was there either - DH and/or I were there every single day, even on weekends, and we didn't see that many visitors. One Sunday, about the time the framers were finished and the back upper veranda had been poured, we were sitting outside with my parents when I saw a man and a woman in my kitchen. I walked in and asked if I could help them. After asking me if I was the homeowner and me replying yes, he said "I'm going to build this house." I said "What?" and he repeated himself. Well, considering we had purchased the plans from a well known architect, poured over them for a year while the youngest two finished high school before making numerous changes/additions to the plan and paid for them I wasn't very pleased. I told him the architects name, gave him his web address and said he could help him find a plan that suited his lot. "Oh" he said "my lot is a point on a lake, just like yours. This house is perfect." Me, being the southern lady Mama raised me to be, I pressed on nicely on the outside but boiling on the inside. He went on to tell me he had been in the house before and he was showing his girlfriend. I was nice, they didn't stay long but I pushed for him to call the architect for (his own set of) plans. The NEXT weekend, here they are AGAIN! He acted like we were best friends! I was irritated enough to tell him right off the bat that I'd like him to leave. When he asked why, I told him that my house plans were copyrighted (which they are, he acted like he didn't know what that meant), I told him again who the architect was and I asked him to leave and not come back. Up until this time, the house was not able to be secured - DH put a temp lock on the front door the next day. That's not all - I find out from my cabinet guy he was there another day or two. He asked him to leave. THEN he calls my GC and asks him to SELL HIM his set of plans after the house is finished. >:( The GC tells him the plans are not his to sell and he always returns them to the homeowner. Mr Paininthebutt is not satisfied and asked for our phone number. GC knows I'm ticked off at this guy so he gives him my DH cell number. DH doesn't tell me for several weeks that the guy called him and asked to purchase a set of plans - DH tells him they are not for sale and the guy argues with him for ten minutes, telling him "she'll never know" etc. >:( I don't know if he ever built his house or what it looks like, but his girlfriend said he couldn't afford a house as big as ours anyway. Then why was he asking to purchase the plans? I have no idea but it still makes me mad to think about it! ;) I didn't go to the trouble of building a custom home, working with an architect and brining my ideas into reality for someone to copy - whatever happened to being creative?! Our house is in the third phase of a gated community with only 72 lots. Everyone has at least 3acres and up to 20. You can't even see our house from the main road. We're on a cul de sac with no neighbors. (Two have just started building on our street.) There are four other houses on the lake (only one during our construction) so I did worry about things getting stolen during construction. We were lucky, only thing to disappear was the left over copper gutters/hangers (that I was going to do something with). My GC told me a story about a house he built - the night before closing, someone broke in, tore up the carpet, stole the appliances and cut down the light fixtures! The lady had gone by the house that morning to walk thru before the closing and called him to ask why he had taken up the carpet - she didn't realize how bad it was at that point. |
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| Wow ladies, now lets not get ugly here! ;) Dixie, your responses always seem to be dripping w/ sarcasm in some way or another......... Is that necessary? Do you ever carefully pick & choose your words or do you always seem to have, as my DH has said, - 'Diarrhea of the mouth' ?????? You're an attorney, right? Well, how about if you just keep all of that sarcastic crap in the court room! Come on now! C.Dawg, don't let her get to you! Dixie, you know that everyone goes about their lives in a different manner, & what works for others, keeps the peace & makes them happy, doesn't necessarily work for everybody. Anyway, interesting story Allison. |
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charliedawg, I'm with you. Our builder GAVE us a list of homes under construction and encouraged us to visit them. We learned a lot about the stages of construction by seeing the foundation, framing, plumbing, wiring, drywall. We also learned a ton from talking to the owners, most of whom were gracious and helpful when we explained the reason for our visit. Most of them had done exactly the same thing before they started building. If the owners weren't there, we did not feel like we were tresspassing by walking through the bones of a house under construction. A home is where you live. A house under construction is a future home. It's got to be a regional thang. dixie's post simply displayed ignorance. |
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| My neighbor across the street from my new house was building his house at the same time. He busted me looking at his tile work on his porch. At that point the house was closed up but I took a tour of it during framing. After the house was finished (way before mine!) his wife gave me a tour and her DH said, "So I guess this is your first invited tour?" He said it in good nature but it really made me feel scummy. I won't do it anymore. Just because you may not mind someone walking around in your unfinished house doesn't make it okay for you to do the same. Those of you who say you do it all the time and don't mind someone in your house, what if you found out someone was unhappy with you being in their house? Would you blow it off and think the owners need to lighten up or would you feel sorry for your actions? |
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| I'm sorry for those who were offended by my second post. I do not, however, think it displayed ignorance. There is a huge distinction between the situation that zone8 discusses and touring homes without an invitation. In the case of zone8's comments, I am in complete agreement that this is an acceptable practice. The builder gave an invitation to tour these homes (I'm assuming that these were homes were homes that he had permission to tour.). I never said that all homes were off-limits. I simply said that a home is a home regardless of which stage of construction it is in. I stand by that. If the owner says it is okay to stop by anytime, if the builder says please go look at these homes under construction, if the house is not sold, then I think that it is great to tour them...no problems. The issue is (and I'm sorry if I was unable to make this clear) when the home is already sold. I am not the attorney in the family, but I do believe that property rights are more tied to the land than the home. The fact that the house is simply a shell without a family is immaterial. And, I guess the biggest deterrent to me is if the property owner has posted no trespassing signs. Without that invitation that I mentioned, I cannot believe that someone would enter upon that property. Not only is it rude and disrespectful, but in the case of a home under construction...it is also dangerous. You are putting both yourself and the property owner at risk...is it really worth it just to see what it looks like on the inside, especially when there are so many homes that are unsold? I still do not think it is regional. I live in the South, and if we are going to go by stereotypes, you are equally likely to be looking down the end of shotgun for entering private property than to be invited in for tea. Obviously everyone has a different viewpoint on this debate, and that's fine. As missymar said (in essence)live and let live. charliedawg- I'm sorry if I offended you in particular. I always appreciate your feedback to posts, and I appreciate the humor you generally bring to a situation. Since missymar drew attention to the fact that it was you who I was referring to, I will state that I am surprised that you don't find it a big deal. You never know who of the uninvited guests will decide that they want a small parting gift after all. |
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| As I said above, I take issue when people DO NOT have permission. However, if the owner (e.g. builder or GC in some cases) says its ok, then have at it. But ask first! My moral warehouse would make me feel so guilty if I ever did something like this - similar to kellyeng's story above about feeling 'scummy'. A few things I've learned from this thread: Some people just don't get it and always find an excuse to justify inappropriate behavior. Levels of respect and manners do appear to be regional. It's a pity... Dixie and Charlie are not going to have a tea party together anytime soon. :) |
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| Kelly, yep, that remark would make feel wierd too. If I was ever in your situation I'm sure I would have been second guessing myself long before this thread rolled around. I would never, ever go thru a home that had no trespassing signs or sneak thru a wall when there were actually doors on the home. Helll, even *I* ain't that classless. :) Dixie - Yes, copper was stolen from my home but all the signs in the world and all the worrying about innocent onlookers are not going to stop that from happening. I have yet to meet a thief that thought "oh, look, a no trespassing sign, I better not go in there" BTW - how do you like your tea? This thread has given be a lot to think about. It's a good thing this came up after we completed our forever house or I probably would have missed out on a lot of ideas that were inspired by my walk-thrus. whew! Oh and buzz, what kind of spoon do you use when stirring that pot. ;P |
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| Charlie - it would definitely be a wooden spoon as that was the one my rear end knew best when I behaved badly while growing up. It is a great peacemaker! :) |
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dixie, Thank you for making that clarification - (your first post came across as very snarky). In our case (as in charliedawg's) when you are given a list of homes under construction, complete with addresses and directions, and encouraged to visit, then you are not tresspassing. Any owner can ask the builder to omit their homes from the list. So, the fact that one's home is on the list certainly does imply permission. Just as clearly, some people are incredibly rude (ref Allison's experience0, and some are dishonest. Hopefully common sense and courtesy are not regional differences. Having said all that, I was not upset when my neighbors confidced that they had visited our home during construction. (I would have been offended if they had taken pictures, or offered unsolicited opinions), and I'd have hit the roof if I found that teenagers were using it as a party site. |
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| Back in the old framing days, a young mom would bring her two kids on a daily basis to check out progress of the build educating her kids. We politely asked her to keep a distance,but thought it was neat to spend that time with her youngn's.We got to know them on first name basis, as we framed many homes in that area, and they were almost always counted on to show daily.We also stressed not to linger around the site when no one was around, as job sites can be dangerous.In them days when i was more zealous about being in building world ,(new at it),i would often times stumble through build sites, seeing the way others did things.It was pretty common in those days to see folks going through build sites. Now that we are building, i certainly would entertain anyone having an interest and wanting to check out our build as long as we are there.I wouldn't want anyone there with no one around not only for safety concerns, but for those who might be tempted with sticky fingers,(although that is unlikely in our area, it can happen anywhere). We are building long distance and are thankful for our overzealous neighbors the next property over. If they spot a little dust flying around our build when we are away, they call us. It's usually subs that are helping out on our build, but we appreciate their enthusiasm and will definetely return the favor while they are away should my wife and i live long enough to see this build finished. |
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Sierra, I agree that a long distance extra set of eyes is invaluable. As I stated before, had it not been for my "classless" neighbors who knows what 35 snow bunnies might have done to my build. To me there are trespassers and then there are TRESPASSERS. No one should trespass once the contractor doors go up and the house becomes secure. And teenagers there...or someone taking pictures of my childs room....this momma-duck can get mean! OTOH, I'll never let my neighbors know that they're "classless". Everyone of them are way to nice to pen that tag on them! |
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| Wow what did I start :-0 *wink* I would have to guess if the police are called it would depend on where the sheriff is in the county as to how long the response time would be. At least 15 minutes easy. There is some times one on duty sometimes 3, you never know. Each lot in our subdivision is no less then 7 acres. Most are 14-20+ acre lots. As far as it being a regional thing. I'm not sure on that. My neighbor who lives on the one side of us is a very sweet and kind lady. She lives the closet to us because she built right no her property line. I have spoken with her on many many occasions and we have gotten to know her well. I have told her I do not mind if she would like to take a peek at the house any time. She is a southern Texas women and she replied: "Oh goodness no! I would never think of going in your house or setting foot on your property with you not here". That is a neighbor I do not mind having! No John or Joe who ever drives by and sees a house going up and just wants to go and take a look, that is wrong. My house is not a show house for you to take a look around and see. You know where my daughters room is??? You know the lay out of the house?! How do I know this is just a innocent neighbor who is just curious. That might be over the top but I'm sorry. You are a stranger to me I will probably never see you that much since you live 6 miles down the road. Oh gosh I could just go on and beat it in the ground but there is no use. I now know you will never really be able to stop anyone unless you are there 24/7. I guess I can understand how some feel that the house does not belong to you until you close. I guess you could say your house will not belong to you until you have it paid off also. We have already closed on our house and we just need to turn the loan over to a 30 year. We are having it custom built so it is not in a subdivision with 5 or so other houses in a row going up. I also have had a builder give me a list of homes he was building to tour them and see his work and how the floor plans were being laid out. I see no problem with that at all. Now if you have a house being built out in the sticks like ours, on property that we own, on a house that I have already invested over thousands of dollars on and I am responsible for every penny coming and going, I feel that I have every right to expect someone to respect the fact that I do not want them to trespass on our property. I am off to check on the house! LOL! Ext. paint should be done today :-) |
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| Kelntx - your getting exterior paint already? Time flies...well to me since I'm not building anymore. :) Have you posted some recent progress pics? I can't find them if you did. |
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| All the views on here are so interesting. We are building a custom house on a lot we already own. It's in a neighborhood with about 16 other lots and the same builder is building all of them. There is only one other house under construction now (privately owned) and our builder is constantly telling me to go see something there (wood floors, stone firepace, cabinets, trim etc). For a while we were walking through once a week, then one time the owners showed up when we were in their driveway, we know them and explained why we were there, but I felt really stupid and have never gone back. The only other house I've walked through was the builder's who built in the neighborhood also, he told us to go through anytime and bring friends because it was good for his business, but I won't go through anyone else's again without their specific invitation. |
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| Okay, my last post on this topic! So kats- I never called your neighbors classless. In fact, your response is a perfect example of the distinction that I explained above. By your own original posting, you stated that you developed a relationship with your neighbors. By doing so, you formed an implied consent that allowed them to enter upon your property. These same neighbors who did have permission to enter upon your property did so to remove others WHO DID NOT have permission to enter upon your property. What differentiates the 35 snow bunnies from your neighbors? Permission to enter your property! And, the fact that they were potentially harming your land/house and could get hurt! These were exactly the points that I have made on this topic. Really, this is a black and white issue. I don't understand why it is being painted in shades of gray. There is no one on this forum who is a mind reader. Just because you wouldn't mind someone wandering around your half-built home, does not mean that someone else would want you in theirs. And, at the end of the day, it is not what you want to do, or what you think is okay to do, that matters in this case, it is what the property owner/home owner in question would want you to do. |
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| keep in mind that anyone who is injured on your property rolls onto your insurance. Even if they violated a "no tresspassing" sign you will end up liable for their injuries. So this is more than just a behavior issue. When we built our house our driveway went in first. It is really long (over 1/2 mile) and within minutes of it being completed, we had rubber neckers driving in "just to see where it goes". We have had people get stuck, walk into fresh paint, and had the neighbors bring their friends and families over to view our progress. We finally installed cameras on the driveway and let people know that they were being filmed. For me, it is much less a privacy issue but a liability issue. It is outrageous that people believe that private property is fair game! By the way, we still have people coming up the drive to take a look around. |
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| Bellamay, with the two houses going up on our street and us building a fence and columns, people assume our home must be under construction too. We just installed a gate - stays closed 24/7. Now I don't have to worry about being out in the doggie corral in my pajamas feeding the dog in the mornings and having someone come up the driveway. ;) It will be 2yrs next month that we moved in and I couldn't tell you how many people I've seen just come up the drive - I stood in the laundry room window and watched a couple who saw me BACK all the way out. Crazy. |
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| You're right, I didn't/don't mind my neighbors coming here. And, honestly, I'm glad I set a precident because I'm really glad I live where I do. In a rural yet touristy area I feel very safe, I feel like a part of my neighborhood and I'm enjoying the whole enchilada! WooHoo! BTW..... what time did you-all say tea was? :) |
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| Dixie, I'm with you that it is a "class" issue. My own brother and sister wouldn't go into my newly framed house without me there. They said it didn't feel right. It is how you are raised and how you perceive others property and possessions. If I'm paying for that land and that wood and that cement, dammit it's mine and no one has the right to just walk on in like it's a public place. People are building houses all around me and there is one house in particular I would love to go in and see, but I feel "funny" and feel like I would be intruding to even ask if I could look around. That's just me.' When we have people stop by and compliment us on our house, we always invite them in. We are friendly people and we're very proud of the house we designed. We like to have people compliment us on our house. We had 2 people ask if we minded if they built the same house. I told them heck no, knock yourself out. It's a house so what's the big deal if someone else builds a house like mine. It's not like it's next door. I find that quite a compliment. |
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| Would you go if a sub invited you in? We are GCing ourselves and are choosing a trim carpenter. He met me at a house he was working on to show me the work. I don't know if the owners knew he was using their house as an "example." He was supposed to meet my husband but my husband couldn't make it on time so the guy gave my husband the code for the box that held the key. I'm sure the owners would not have been pleased with the sub doing that. My husband went to examine the work by himself. Where do people stand on a situation like this? |
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| We'll have to agree to disagree, brutuses. It was/is a big deal to me. Taking one or two ideas/designs and incorporating them into their home is one thing, but to say he was going to "build this house" ticked me off. We made numerous significant changes/additions to the original plans. It's not a money thing, even though we spent a lot of it on the plans - to me, it's stealing a copyrighted design and that's no different than walking in the house and taking a light fixture...Actually, I think it's a bigger deal. Since he liked the floor plan, he could have contacted the architect and worked with him. Either he was too cheap or wanted to take the easy way out. I've seen this topic discussed on the forum before and everyone will have their own opinion - just like tv's over the fireplace. ;) Rachelh, I would not be comfortable being given a box code to someone else's home unless the owner gave it to me. I would have made other arrangements to meet the carpenter. |
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| Rachcelh - I would not have been comfortable with going into the home. Especially not with it being a sub who is telling me to go and giving out the box code. |
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| What the hecks wrong with a TV over a fireplace? Or Ikea for that matter? ;-) |
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| The last time I posted here was at least two years ago, and we were having this same conversation. Wow. |
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What the hecks wrong with a TV over a fireplace? Or Ikea for that matter? (Backing away from the keyboard.....) |
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| Or being asked to take off your shoes while walking through a McMansion... Might as well keep piling them on! :-p In the end at least if we can all have a sense of humor about it, we're doin' allright. |
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| I am soooooooo past the people walking through the house! Now I am dealing with ROACHES in this rent house we are staying in!!!!!!!! I just saw one that was so big he could have taken my head off.....YUK! YUK! YUK! I just called DH and told him buy BUG SPRAY!!!!!!!!!!!! YUK! EEEWWWWW YUK! I would rather have scorpions then roaches. YUK! He was under the toilet seat...oh YUK! DD just said she is not sleeping until we find him! LOL! This is the 5 one I have seen in the last 5 months of living here. We thought we got rid of them after we moved in.....my skin is crawling....YUK! |
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| I'm sorry Allison, I still don't get what the big deal is unless the guy is living next door to you. Anyway, when the people who said they'd like to build a house like ours it was because of the exterior architecture and the porches. The inside would not be the same I'm sure of that because our house is customized for me and my DH and really wouldn't be suitable for anyone else unless they like the same identical things we do, i.e., sizes of rooms, etc. If someone stops and takes a photo of my house and then brings it to an architect, I can't do a thing about that. Did the man who wanted to build your house come right out and ask you for your plans? I would be a bit turned off by someone that pushy myself. |
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| I had someone ask me to make copies of our plan for them. I told them no! After I said no they said they were kidding but I don't think they were. Takes all kinds :-) |
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| Brutuses, as I stated above, after I told him to leave and not come back he called our GC and asked to buy the GC's copy of our plans when construction was finished. GC told him they were not his to sell. The man then asked for our phone number. GC gave him my DH's cell number. My DH told him they were not for sell. |
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| i don't expect anyone will trespass on our build as it is in our back yard. we're living in the front house until it's done. we're starting in the fall so i guess i'll find out then for sure but i can assure you i will not suffer fools. i can get pretty ugly. ;^) bring 'em on! |
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| The people who trespass on building sites (notice I said trespass, not those that are invited by the owner, construction company, builder, etc...)are the same type of people that think that if something in a museum isn't roped off, behind glass or being flanked by security guards then it must be ok to touch it. Not joking, last time I was at the National Gallery of Art I saw a woman rub at the paint on a Cazin. No idea why, but she did. Getting back to the topic at hand, just because it isn't finished doesn't mean it's not private property and entitled to all the common courtesy that a completed home would have. Stumpy |
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| Oh, I have to share this story. We've had numerous times AFTER we moved in where people have stopped by because they'd walked through the house while it was being built. I've had people show up and tell me what I did wrong, one person asked if I was the cleaning lady or the homeowner, (both, as a matter of fact). The best one was the lady and her husband who must be dumb as rocks who, even though our 2 cars are in the driveway, flag on the flagpole, garage doors open with many boxes recently unpacked, just proceed to open my front door to walk on it. The only problem was my doggy didn't think that was a good idea and let them know. I tried really hard not to laugh at these two idiots about to wet themselves, but geesh, people use some common sense! |
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| mcbird, now that is a funny story. LOL Allison and klntx, that is quite rude of them. I haven't had anyone ask for a copy of my plans, only that they would like to "copy" the roof and porch design which like I said, they can take a photo and copy the design if they'd like. I gave them the name of my architect and told them he could design them anything they wanted just give him an "idea" and some sketches of what they want and he'll go from there. Our architect was so good that he had it right on the very first drawing and only had to go back to tweek some minor things. I guess I got real lucky finding his talent and at such a good price. |
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| before we started the construction process, i would have probably not liked it at all. But you will realize that it happens so much, it is just so common, that you cant really help it. I have done it myself. Designers, contractors, everyone in the industry does it, and has told us that we can. I know legally it is trespassing, but in real life people just do it. We are building a $2 million dollar (not counting $1 million on the land) home and Im sure it will happen there. I won't care i guess. it is very helpful to people in our shoes, and I will understand it when others are doing it. Now, if someone is JUST looking for the heck of it, and not building anything on their own (i know its not possible to really know) i guess that would bother me more. |
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I 100% think this is wrong. If a builder or homeowner invites you that is one thing, neighbors being nosy is another thing. This seems to be the common thought of so many people "everyone does it so live with it. Why do we have to live with something that is not legal, not safe, not right in any way. If this logic is used for everything then we could say "just live with shoplifters, graffiti artists, speeders, the list could go on and on. Just because people do something in real life does not mean its ok. Its not ok. I would never allow my children to have this kind of in your face selfishness. Thats what it is, selfish! Someone wants something without asking and by gosh nothing is going to stop them. Pretty much what's wrong with a lot of things these days , everyone just puts themselves first. I guess I still believe in the Golden Rule. We are building a large home. If someone was walking through uninvited they would first deal with our dog who lives there full time (partly for this reason) and then they would deal with me, then police. It undoes me to think the homeowner is wrong or "snarky" just because they ask for common courtesy. It is the intruder who should be apologizing not the other way around. |
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| Funny this should come up again. Since we have not put in grass yet I guess it appears our home might still be under construction. Even though we have blinds up, a car in the driveway and a welcome mat at the front door, it could still appear that way. Well the other day I was home and had the alarm set for stay but on instant. Meaning if any door or window opened it would not give you the beep to turn of the alarm it would just go off. For some reason I had the front door unlocked and was sitting at the computer and all of sudden I had the *bleep* scared out of me with the alarm. Someone screamed and then I screamed! I ran to the laundry room to shut off the alarm and then went to the front door. I thought at first it was DH maybe coming home early. There was a man and women walking away rather quickly. I asked them if I could help them and she stated that they have a house down the road and come in to stay at there vacation house once or twice a month. (they were from Houston I think she said). She said that when they would come to stay they would walk around the house to see how far it had come along. I imagined they were pretty embarrassed or at least she seemed like she was. She said when they walked up and saw that the construction door was gone they thought we might have moved in! Well then why did they try to open the door!!! That is three times we have had someone just come up and twice someone has just walked in. A few weeks ago someone walked right through our garage into the house! I heard a "oh my gosh, someone is living here!!" YA THINK?? The garage has all of our stuff in it! He claimed he thought the builder was there and that the owners were just "storing their item's". Makes me mad it keeps happening when I am home alone! LOL! Needless to say I at the point where I want to store a 22 somewhere! After going through the whole process I would never walk through someones home unless there was an open house sign or I was invited. We live way out in the country too, so I can't imagine how many people would have been walking through if we lived closer in :-) So far I have been insulted (a lady told me she did not like the color on our walls) and scared to death by our intruders! LOL! |
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| Oh my gosh, Keltx! (Kitchen drawer-if no kids around) ; ) We ended up putting in a gate and fencing in our yard - mostly for the dogs, but also to keep people from just driving on up. I don't think being the only house on our street two years ago helped people realize we were finished building. Can't see our house from the street (on 4.5 acres) so they would just drive on up. When two other houses started going up, that could be seen from the street, I think they would still assume we must be under construction too. The thing that got my goat was the man who kept coming back and telling not only my subs but me he was "going to build this house." WTH? He even called my GC and asked him to SELL his set of plans after construction was finished. When GC told him no, he actually called my DH. This was AFTER I asked him to leave the property and not come back after finding him in my great room for the 3rd time. Aarggh! I'm getting mad all over again! |
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| This is making me glad we are building in a gated community. I know it won't keep everyone out, but with only two houses up out of 12 lots, it should cut down on the traffic. Hey, how about a guest book? |
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We are not building in a subdivision, we tore down our old house and are building a new one, so it is our house and land. I didn't know many people in the town, but now when I go back to check, people I meet will tell me they have gone through the house in the initial stages of construction before it was locked up. The old house was back behind the trees and most people didn't even know it was there and now you can see part of the new house. All of my neighbors know more about the inside of my house then I do, since I am not there. I have never gone in any house under construction, I always considered that trespassing, no matter if the bank, builder or a person owned it. Most people went through when my builder was there ( he does know everyone in town) but others were usually confronted by my one neighbor( who is absolutly wonderful). He was more offended by it then us. I didn't really mind but was really glad when the doors and locks went on. |
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| I seem to have repeated myself -sorry. Old threads get brought back up and I didn't read the entire thing. jodied, we are in a gated community. That does not always guarantee you no lookers or workmen that are interested when out here on another job. |
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| Allison, we had someone ask about our plans as well. I told them where we bought them, gave them the guys name and number and our GC said this person came back and one time they asked one of the sub's for a copy of the house plans. I was livid! We plan on putting in a gate and fencing in the whole place. Baby steps! LOL! I guess our garden was more important. LOL! No we have been trying to rake up a lot of the rocks and get the out of the yard. DH has a tractor (piece of *bleep*)but every time you give it power it dies! :-) It is of NO help. I am amazed at the dirt we have though. I thought we were just one big rock mess but once you get them up the dirt is wonderful!!! OH NO, the cat just "fell" in the tub.....there is laughter and screaming at the same time....got to run! |
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| I have not started the building process yet but I don't think having people walk through my house would bother me. Now once my personal finishing touches start going in like flooring, paint, fixtures, etc. I may feel differently. I personally will only walk through a new construction when there is a FOR SALE sign in the yard. As far as the people who are asking for floor plans and/or saying they are going to build your same house-WOW! That would really tick me off. I am very much looking to build something different in my town. I would be VERY offended if someone asked for my plans and said they were going to duplicate my home. If I had wanted a cookie cutter home, I would have built one! THAT IS JUST RUDE! |
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| I've scanned through the posts and it seems that this particular topic is a lot like religion or politics. Some people have a strong opinion on this subject, others don't. My personal take is that the property is a construction site. Unless there are doors with locks, I see no difference between a curious neighbor and one of the hundred+ subs walking around the site through the course of the build. The caveat, of corse, is that no one gets hurt and nothing gets stolen or damaged. In short, on my build I'll take steps to disuade trespassers (mostly for safety reasons), but I won't get bent out of shape if someone is just browsing the new construction. At least that is my current opinion. Maybe that will change when I'm a few months into my build and I run into some of those terribly unreasonable people that some of you had to suffer through. |
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| I think the fact of the matter is most people are going to walk through your house no matter what. We put up signs, we put up camera's etc to keep people away. BUT, you have to remember, that same person who thought it was ok to walk around your house at the beginning will think it is ok to walk around at the end. They will walk on your floors when they were just put down because the sub forgot to lock the door and believe me it will happen.....trust me! They will talk about floor, color or appliance choices because they think they can. They get very comfortable in giving you their opinions because they have seen the house being built! LOL! They will take wood because they thought the pile sitting there was to "give away", or pull their truck up to your rock pile and start to help themselves to it. The guy who was taking our rocks told the GC, who just happened to pull up when this happend, that he didn't think we would mind if he took a "few" rocks. He said we had allowed him to walk through the house on more then one occasion and told him to stop by any time. Yeah but he forgot to leave out "when we are here!" and I didn't remember giving him permission to take items from the site. Our subs had to ask certain neighbors more then once to please respect our no trespassing signs. I will say though that once one neighbor found out about our cameras and that they were recording (sound also) I saw a drop in "visitors". But then again this is just another persons opinion but I have to say going through the building process, if we were to do it again. I would put up a fence with a gate and only the subs would know the code. I don't mean to sound unneighborly at all, matter of fact we have been to a few functions and found most of neighbors to very nice BUT...I asked the guy we snooped all around our house and gave us unwanted advice if we could come by and look at his place and he said NO!!!!!!!!!! LOL! If you can believe that! |
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| My wife and I are certainly guilty of these bad habits. No matter what the stage of construction, we're wrong for entering the property, and I'll make no excuses for my behaviour. It certainly helped explain certain "nuts and bolts" of the construction of a house to my wife, and gave us some ideas of things we wanted (and don't want) in our house. As bad as trespassing is, I think the people who've tried to get your house plans and that give unsolicited (and rude) comments about your choice of finishes are bad neighbors. If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. And if this happens to us, we won't be inviting them to the big parties we like to throw. Our last home was a tract/semi custom builder, tract homes with lots of options on changing the floorplan and adding things. We were the first built of a particular house plan. We put in a coffered ceiling and completely re-designed the kitchen layout among other things. Well, those "custom" "options" became the norm as everybody building that plan added them because they saw ours being built. One couple even got the coffer for free because the workers thought it was the standard. LOL. We were a little put off at first, but then I remembered that imitation is the most sincere form of flattery and invited people to see just how great a job we did choosing options for our house. That being said, no one is allowed to build our custom home plan (according to our purchase agreement with the architect, they can't sell it and we can't build another without their permission and a fee). I know everyone who's seen a copy of the plans and I check to make sure it's not being built somewhere else. |
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| This has been a very interesting post to read! We're currently building a house (floor joists are going in as we speak) in a neighborhood that was established in the early 80's. We were lucky enough to get a lot that someone had been holding onto for 20+ years. I understand that nothing has been built there in a long time, so it's probably intriguing to folks. But it still blows my mind how many people drive by all slow staring at it! One guy pulled into our cul-de-sac barely moving, really soaking it in before pulling onto the main road and driving slowly past with his flashers on. So I can only imagine how many are going to traipse through our house as it progresses. And the thought of that just burns me up. It'll be a practice in patience, for sure. |
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| I posted to this thread back in '07 and my opinion is still the same: Get a gate! lol Since our home construction is totally DIY, we don't have subs coming and going. The gate has been one of our best purchases and has kept lookie-lous off the property for almost 3 years. Not one idea or piece of property stolen! You don't have to do anything fancy either....a farm gate with a heavy duty lock will work just fine. :) If you want to avoid headache's and aggravation, I highly recommend gating your drive. kellilou3, I have experienced exactly what you are describing at my current home - we bought a very old home in a very old neighborhood and did a total renovation. As we were bricking the exterior I never saw so many brake lights! lol People were making all sorts of excuses to drive or walk past, some even wandering into our yard. After a while I really got tired of being in the "spotlight" or having to deal with random strangers standing in my garden. I understand that it's the most exciting thing going on in the 'hood, but it doesn't give folks the right to trespass. Hopefully you won't have to deal with that. Best of luck to you with your new home! Dawn |
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| It is funny that this topic is up again. When we built we were 1300 miles away. We moved into our house in the summer of 2007. I had no idea how many people had walked through my home before we moved in, but surely do now! I too have had comments about wall color, scored concrete floors, too much tile, etc from people who really are too stupid to be polite. One of the people that made such comments built their home a couple of streets away and I swore I'd go over and return the favor as they were building, but I couldn't bring myself to even go over there as it felt like I was breaking a law. However, the karma of it all is she did it to several of the folks on our street who were building and snuck into one home while the artisan painter was there, asked to be shown around and to look at his handiwork, then told him she thought it was tacky. They moved into their home and on day two had a flood so bad they had to completely replace the hardwood flooring in two rooms. Several of us toasted that one over a couple of beers. |
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| I design houses for a living and it would never occur to me to enter someone's property without being invited and I would certainly be embarrassed if I did and got caught. Of course I probably wouldn't be tempted to look at a half framed house anyway; what could you learn from it, framing techniques? I take photos of finished houses from the street and even that has bothered some homeowners. When I give them my card they usually try to get an hour of advice for free. |
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| This made me think of something that happened to a friend of my aunt. She is a realtor and went to view a house that was being built (she did have permission as she was going to try to sell it.) However she went late afternoon on a Friday after they had left for the day. You guessed it. She fell off the stairs from the second floor and broke both legs. The fall also broke her phone. No one found her untill Saturday afternoon. She is older (62) and her recovery has not gone well. She just wants to be able to walk without pain again. No one ever thinks something like that will happen to them, but it does happen. At least in her case someone eventually remembered that she was going to be looking at some houses, but if she was just being curious no one would have looked there and it would have been Monday before she was found. That could have been too late. |
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| Not quite the same, but what does one say to family/friends who ask, "How big is your house?" or "How much did it cost?" That seems invasive to me, like I'm in a contest. I wish I could think of an answer that would not reveal, but also not offend them. |
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| bama, what a horrible thing to happen. OMG, that poor woman. I am too chicken and just not curious enough to go walking on to anyone's property unless I'm invited and have someone there to show me around. My DH is building our home and he has to keep the front doors closed because people will walk up on him when he's in the back of the house. He's hard of hearing so it's kind of chilling for him to have strangers approach like that. He can leave the back doors open because we don't yet have stairs back there and they'd have a big jump to get onto the porch. People are too cheeky and rude for my taste. LOL thepond, that subject has come up before and I'm trying to remember some of the excellent answers some people had for the nosey folks. I believe one person said they just respond, I really don't like discussing this so can we change the subject or something to that affect. Another person answered, I'll tell you how much I paid, if you tell me how much you paid, first. When people ask how much our cost we can genuinely tell them we don't know. We have kept such bad records, we only have a rough idea. It's taken us 6 years. At some point in time I think DH didn't want to know. I don't mind telling people how big the house is, that's no big deal to me. It's not a large house (1900 sq. ft.), but it appears much larger because of the wrap around porches and it being raised off the ground. If you want some more discussion on this go ahead and start a new thread. I'm sure you'll get lots of great feed back. |
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| All I can think of at the moment are snarky comments. lol Such as "well, when you want to start helping with the payments, I'll let you know" or "I'm getting ready to set up a donations Hot Line." ;D |
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| We didn't have this issue as we built on the same property - our old home was about 150 ft from the new one. Plus we have big barking, obnoxious dogs. I will say though it has taken me a year to "get over" the open door policy the subs etc seem to have with a build. This was especially annoying right as we moved in. We had several things that needed tweaked during the first months. One day I was working at the computer and I hear the back door open- NO KNOCK. It's the security company people (of all folks!) to repair something. That about set me off. Our general also was a bit that way at the end. I came home from an errand one day and he was in our basement. Granted he was picking up a shop vac he had left behind but he hadn't been there in over a month and I thought it was rude to walk right in. So glad that is over. I work a lot and historically when I am home, I do not want to be bothered. I even resent the UPS man coming down the lane when I am home alone etc. I really didn't realize how stressful the continual flow of known and unknown was until it was over. It's taken a year to feel like I have my haven back. |
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| thepond, all I ever really say in response to the many questions I have been asked along that line about our large home is "Why do you ask?" That usually gives me an opportunity to change the subject when my return question leaves them stammering. It works well for many questions, my favorite of which was "Why did you have so many children?" Geez, I only have 4. Not 18, like another family I have seen on t.v.!! Anyway, that response has worked over the years for me in many different situations, and keeps me from feeling forced to reveal personal information. Good luck! Amy |
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Our house has been finished since last May and I still get comments from neighbors who said they took the tour. I was over here all the time, I want to know when they did all this, at midnight with a flashlight?? One of my friends is building now and someone was so desperate to look in her windows, they walked across her wet cement front porch, she now has lovely little footsteps to her dining room window! To people who ask how much or how big I say, nothing we couldn't afford, or just right for us! If they ask more I just say no, really what can they do? |
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| "The reality is that these "curious" people, and partying teenagers, are breaking the law. They're trespassing." Unless you have fences and no trespassing signs up to give notice it is very unlikely they have broken any law. If it bothers you, pay for a temporary fence around the site. It is done all the time. 10 foot wide by 6 foot tall fence panels with concrete weights to hold them upright are joined together to surround the site. |
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| This seems to be an old post resurrected, but a lot has changed with the economy too since this was posted. My neighbor whose build is a bit ahead of mine, has had issues with theft (Rural area, long blind drive). With the current state of our country theft has now become much more of an issue, so how does one distinguish from allowing neighbors or would be thieves scoping out the place? What if it is the neighbors stealing? I was working up at my lot one day and he asked if he could put no tresspassing signs on my lot too, to keep people away from our lots. Very nice of him to be looking out for me too. We also said that we would question people at either of our lots to make sure they belong, in lieu of the thefts. He ran into my brother in law one time, went over, talked to him to see who he was, there were no issues. Even though we are friendly, and look out for one another, I would never go into his house without his permission or him being there. The difference is like me, he is his own GC. If a builder invites you to look at a house or houses he is doing, it is different, because you have been invited, at least by the builder and that is that way builder are able to show off their work. If it was an issue with one of the soon to be owners of the home, most builders would not recommend that home to be viewed. |
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| I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one taken aback sometimes by people's comments. Where we live, a lot of property information is public information on the assessor's website--sq. footage, price you paid for the house, etc. In our current house, since we built it, the price is kind of masked bc we only have a lot price in there; so, the assessor's site doesn't reveal how much it cost to build. If you structure your payment for the build differently though; sometimes, the price shows up. What's amazing to me is that even if sometimes you might peek and be nosey, I would never confront somebody about the size and/or price of their home or let them know that I was peeking into your personal information. We have one neighbor though who is constantly pointing out to us and to other neighbors the size of our house (which isn't even really that big) and also that our house is the most expensive one on the block (it's a very modest tract subdivision-so we're not talking about anything crazy, seriously). He goes off of assessed value to make the latter comment, even though he has no idea what we paid for the house. I'm always taken aback. |
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| Once the walls were framed, our builder got doors on (even though they weren't the final ones and some were even interior doors hung in the frames) and locks. Not that it made things too secure, but it keeps some of the nosy people out. I don't mind my neighbors going through the house but I'd rather like to avoid people being tempted to pick up some of the loose materials, tools, etc... Our house site is rather prominently placed in the neighborhood so it gets a lot of attention. |
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| We have been in our house for several years and last year had a problem with a neighbor's teenage children. We are on acreage so the neighbor is not that close. I drove to the neighbor's house to talk to him. He stated what nice sunsets I get from my inside balcony/loft. I had never met this man before. That creeped me out as there is no way he could have known I had an indoor balcony/loft unless he had been through my house as it was being built. |
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| Those of you who think it is ok to let people walk around your house under construction, think again. An in-laws brother brought his wife over to our lot to walk around the framed house, without our permission. She fell through the floor to into the future stair opening and broke her wrist and cut her head. They sued me, they sued the builder, and even claimed that we invited them. If you invite someone, they are able to get damages from you. As it turned out, they only got money for medical bills and lost days of work. They are scumbags. DON'T LET PEOPLE WALK AROUND YOUR HOME WHILE UNDER CONSTRUCTION!!! |
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| Somewhat off-topic, but about 8 years ago we were renovating our present home which is a very large home on an entire city block, and is a historcal home in the area. There was a period of time that we could not stay in the house because utilities were turned off. An exterior wall in the kitchen had been taken down and the GC had put up plastic with 2X4s across this area. To gain access, you had to rip the plastic and take a board or two down. (Very small town in northern WI, so pretty safe actually). One evening I stopped by the house to see the progress made that day. There was a strange car in the drive and people I didn't know walking around inside. Not only were they checking out the renovations, but they were walking around rooms not under construction where our personal things were kept. I was pretty upset about it, and I was a bit rude to them. I thought it was pretty forward of them to actually remove the plastic and boards to get in. Can you believe they were actually offended by my rudeness. Our new house will be built in a much more secluded location. I'm worried about trespassers and also theft. I'm somewhat comforted that a State Patrol officer will be living next door, but it is a heavily wooded area so he couldn't see much from his house. |
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| One of my neighbors has a house that they recently go the CofO on. They are living there but the place appears to be under construction (no yard, no driveway, lots of unfinished trim, etc...) because they are a little short of funds, and frankly, once you're living there the urgency to finish is off (they GC'd it themselves). A contractor (not one they hired) walked in on the wife one day as he was looking for the GC to offer his services to install the driveway. |
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| While I can understand frustration and anger with people coming onto/into your property without an invitation, I think that any anger about people driving really slow past your build or stopping to look from the road is unreasonable. Curiosity is human nature and it hurts no one to look on from the road, especially when no one is living there. I often check out construction projects from a safe distance because I’m interested. Plus it gives me ideas and keeps me informed about current trends. You’re not living or building in a vacuum, you’re in a community. I’d think it odd and sort of surreal if no one wanted to look. You should take it as a compliment and it will pass anyway. |
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| Hi arisonn, I assume you're addressing my comment? I've driven slowly past people's houses, too, so I understand why people do it! It's fun to see progress and, like you said, current trends. Just this one guy that I mentioned was the most strange (I mean, he was driving on the wrong side of a busy street with his flashers on). He will probably be one who will want to walk through it. Our builder put up a sign a couple of days ago that was, actually, pretty nice. It wasn't a no trespassing sign but said something like, "DANGER! Please do not enter construction site without the accompaniment of the builder. Please feel free to set up an appointment for a viewing." |
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