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| Seems that this is by far the best forum around for house building planning and discussion. I've been reading this and the kitchen board for about a month now.
We're moving from a house we love, built in 1912 which we've extensively renovated with floor refinishing, paint, finished basement, replaced/repaired doors and windows, landscaping etc. But we've simply outgrown it and there's not a lot of room to expand the 1 car garage, add to the single bathroom, or add bedrooms (2 reasonable sized bedrooms, 1 small one). We've closed on a property just this last Friday, and we're at this point planning to go owner/builder on this project with construction starting spring 2014 or 2015. I'm also doing the floorplan/elevations design. I expect I'll need to take my plans to an architect for final building drafting and review. I'm hoping that by bringing a fairly detailed plan at the start I can save some time and money on this expense. As far as region, we're building in Iowa. Our needs/wants are: 1. Single story, planning a 'forever' house.
Some of the things I've designed intentionally are wide (wide enough?) halls, bathroom/toilet stalls, counter-to-counter distance in the kitchen, doors or door openings, etc. The dining room will be the eating location 80% of the time, and the kitchen island/deck will be 20%. Total living space is 1860 square feet, which is what we have today on three floors, so this will be huge for us given we can expand to the basement down the road. At this point I'm just interested in any feedback you guru's might have. I've seen a lot of good floorplan discussion here and I've tried to take a lot of the comments on other plans into consideration. (Trying to attach a link to a directory index of my images of the plan) |
Here is a link that might be useful: House plan images
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- Posted by minneapolisite (My Page) on Sat, May 19, 12 at 19:27
| Here are the images (more people will respond if we get them posted directly onto the thread) Floorplan
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| This is probably not what you are looking for but it may be advice that others will overlook. I am kinda freaky about roof lines and figuring out, where will the rain water go? Imagine how rain water will wash down the area of the roof over the main body of the house design. That is a large surface area, directed to a very small area over the front porch. This design is an invitation for water problems for years to come. I apologize that I can't offer a better design idea because changing the roof lines will likely involve extensive changes to the floor plan. In our design process, I have learned to look at roof lines and one of the key design elements I have tried to achieve is a simple-to-construct roof design (with the benefit of lowering construction costs) that allows good water drainage. |
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| It looks nice! We are also planning a forever home, and our architect has planned for a future elevator. It will be a coat closet and linen closet for now (we have others as wel, if we lose these to an elevator. ). Something to think about for going to the basement. |
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- Posted by ZGAnderson (My Page) on Sat, May 19, 12 at 23:40
| Thanks for posting the pictures directly minneapolisite! Being my first post the link was obvious, but I wasn't clear on the syntax for direct embedding an image just yet. nanj, good point. The roof was much worse in an earlier iteration and is certainly one of the unexpected challenges I've faced on this first shot. I'll play around with some ideas that divert water away from the front entry more effectively. andry, what dimensions are needed for the 'rough' area of the elevator? That's a good idea and the back entry area where I have the chest freezer/potential small mud room might work if I emptied it out and moved the door at some point. |
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- Posted by ZGAnderson (My Page) on Sun, May 20, 12 at 1:34
| nanj, I haven't uploaded an updated picture yet, but on a whim I changed the gable over the front of the garage to a gable over the side of the garage, I actually really like how the lines work with the more squared appearance, and I can see how the water flow will work better already. I'll mull it over a bit and post an updated picture if I decide to keep it. |
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| I always look at the bedrooms, and I was wondering where are you going to put your bed/night stands in the Master Bedroom? |
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| Front porch. Small. I think Jack the Ripper did his best work in small entryways though. Receiving area inside the front door is not well defined. Easy to trim in some posts to frame the entry into the living room. You want the 'cue the music, I'm aboot to reveal' kind of feel. I get the idea I'm going to get a door planted into my face if I come for a visit. Lots of outswingers. No fireplace. I like that. Who the hell uses a fireplace anymore? I put a video on of burning logs on my flatscreen. Clean burn and no 2.5 micron cancer causing particulate matter. Bathroom layout - you don't want a toilet by the door. Master Bath - my wife often mentions that we should have put in a throne room with a door. I dunno what her problem is. Dining is gigantous but no pantry. And as mentioned, the roof plan is a problem. Sorry to be brusque. I just had a terrible round of golf. |
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| Closets! Front hall and a linen closet by the bedrooms should be a thought. Perhaps expand the garage width to make room for the front hall closet for the interior and it would make a cubby storage int he garage. |
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| Closets! Front hall and a linen closet by the bedrooms should be a thought. Perhaps expand the garage width to make room for the front hall closet for the interior and it would make a cubby storage int he garage. |
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- Posted by minneapolisite (My Page) on Mon, May 21, 12 at 8:43
| Syntax for adding images is standard HTML. HTMLGoodies isn't a good place to learn how to code, but it's a great resource for code snippets for using on this forum. Help w/ image syntax. Since you're just getting started, I STRONGLY recommend the "Not So Big" series by Sarah Susanka, especially these ones: * The not so big house : a blueprint for the way we really live Your house is already "not so big," but this series of books has some clever ideas for how to make the most of that space. I found these at my library a few weeks ago and they really helped give me some direction as to what to look for in a floorplan and how to modify our floorplan to fit our lifestyle. On to the floorplan! Honestly, I don't see much that I would change right off the bat. 1. I agree that a fireplace is not a necessity and I'm happy to see more and more people skipping that expensive immobile piece of decor. 2. Make sure your guests have an "entrance." For me, the bare minimum needed is a large area of snow-friendly flooring, a place to sit down and take off/put on shoes, a place to put shoes, and a hook to hang coats. 3. Make sure your entrance is functional. You need a place to hang your everyday coats and off-season coats, a place to dump mail/keys/purse/groceries. 4. Consider modifying the Jack & Jill bath to separate the shower+tub from the vanity. That would allow one child/guest to use the sink area while another one uses the shower+tub area. What is your family make-up (children, ages, pets?) That might help point us all in the right direction. :) |
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- Posted by ZGAnderson (My Page) on Mon, May 21, 12 at 10:37
| Thanks for all of the feedback, I've made some updates based on your comments. Here are some updated images with the most recent changes. I'll update in a bit with some thoughts on the changes I've made and a few other details. You guys are great :)
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- Posted by minneapolisite (My Page) on Mon, May 21, 12 at 11:21
| Consider a built-in bench where I've drawn a red box:
And then some hooks for coats on the right wall. That would give guests a place to sit when fussing with shoes. (Our current home is like your floorplan with no where for guests to sit down for shoe futzing. This drives us CRAZY. |
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- Posted by ZGAnderson (My Page) on Tue, May 22, 12 at 0:14
| Ok, so I've made some updates based on your ideas. First off, as far as our family, we're early/mid thirties with two four year old boys and no plans for more. They'll be somewhere between 5 and 7 if we get this built when we hope to. We have one dog who will likely only be around for a few short years after the move (she's 15 and in good health, but getting up there in dog years!), no plans for new pets anytime soon. On the fireplace comments, the *idea* of a fireplace is nice, but we have one in our house currently and have used it once in ten years. So we really won't miss it and the space and flexibility that we gain will be appreciated. Some of the changes roll a bunch of ideas up together in the bedroom hallway area. This was one of the major areas I wasn't happy with in my original images. I moved the linen closet next to the hall bathroom. Freeing this space up let me retain a laundry room which can double for some housekeeping storage (vacuum, broom, cleaning supplies, etc) with a cabinet and some wall hanging storage. Re-arranging this way gave me space to add a small pantry, which we will put a wire/baker's rack in for kitchen appliances/dry goods. Also in moving things around I've put the master off the kitchen through a small nook. One of the original desires was to have a split floorplan but it wasn't working out. This layout effectively splits the bedrooms even if they aren't on separate sides of the house. Moving the door addresses phoggie's comment about furniture in the master and gives me three walls where a bed could be. A king on two walls for sure and maybe three, or the queen bed we have on any of them easily. The partially private bathroom for the kids/guest bathroom was also a desire that I couldn't make work at first. But I think I've come up with a good solution. By putting a pocket door in, which will tend to stay open most of the time (since it won't take up space in either area) the sink/tub area will still get light from the window but can be closed if needed. I did drop it down to a single sink. Reflecting back on growing up, my brother and I NEVER used the two sinks we had at the same time. I don't think this will be a problem. I've widened the porch. After looking at it and comparing to similar homes on the street, I agree it was a bit small. It's no southern plantation, but I think it's a more welcoming and comfortable size now. In widening the porch, I took a little space off the living room which is still a good size and was able to add some detail to the entry way. This was another thing I had seen in pictures before but didn't have space for until making this area wider. I'd like to add a bench in the entry, and have put coat hooks in, but I want to wait on that detail until I have the stairs fully designed. I'm not sure if I'm going with open railings or solid half wall yet in this area and it will make a difference on what I do with further changes to the entry way. Lastly, I changed the rear exterior garage door to a single car garage door. This has a few reasons. Easier in/out for lawn and garden tools. Fresh air and light without having the front of the garage open for working on/cleaning cars (and a breeze if the front is open as well). And lastly, with easy access to the kitchen from the garage this can be a good way to open up the garage for parties/buffet table, and such. Maybe it's a little redneck, but in good weather a large party can be really flexible without regard to changing conditions as the party can move in/out. With a garage this size we could easily host graduations/birthdays/holidays for very large groups by sharing the backyard and garage space. Exterior overview image is unchanged except for fixing the front living room windows and the kid's/guest bathroom window.
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| I think I'd rather enter my master from the bedroom hallway than enter it through the kitchen. Same with getting to the laundry from the boys' rooms. I also don't like to get to my closet via the bathroom. You still need an entry closet. And, your bathroom (hall) closet is too deep/narrow to be useful for linens... is that your vacuum closet? Your boys are likely to walk past the stove to get to the fridge (not safe). I'd put it on the wall opposite the stove, or that end of the long counter run. Take the north bedroom out even with the north wall (if the plan is laid out with up as north). In general, I think you have a lot of "hallway" space, that could be reduced/consolidated. |
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- Posted by live_wire_oak (My Page) on Tue, May 22, 12 at 10:55
| The kitchen needs completely reworking. You have no landing space beside the range and it's a traffic hazard for people needing access to the fridge. The fridge either needs to move or the range needs to move to a more protected spot. You need a prep sink on the island if you actually want to prep there. Otherwise, you'll prep next to the main sink, which isn't a bad thing, but it isn't why most people try to have a large island. The master closet is on a corner where you could have two nice windows. I'd much rather have the actual master bedroom occupy such prime real estate than a closet. What's with the garage door on the rear of the home with no drive to service it? If thats's a workshop area, then it too needs to have some sort of patio/apron or else getting anything in and out of it will make a mudhole there. |
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- Posted by turtleshope (My Page) on Tue, May 22, 12 at 12:07
| Check the bathroom plans for accessibility ... for a wheelchair, you need about 5 feet wide space with the toilet in it. Wheelchair has to roll up next to toilet, and needs turning space. You could take out the closet wall in the MBA if needed in future, I suppose. |
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| Sorry for my late reply - the architect allowed for a 6'x6' space for the elevator. |
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- Posted by ZGAnderson (My Page) on Wed, May 23, 12 at 0:57
| Thanks again for the comments everyone. Working some of the ideas in now, but not quite ready to post a new plan image. |
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- Posted by SummerfieldDesigns (My Page) on Fri, May 25, 12 at 4:21
| tweaked your floor plan a bit ... this layout will give you a much less complicated foundation and roofline ... let me know your thoughts ... |
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- Posted by ZGAnderson (My Page) on Fri, May 25, 12 at 14:36
| Oh, that's wonderful Summerfield! I wish I could just build that almost as you have drawn it! Unfortunately, I've got some restrictions I have to work within due to the lot I have and city setbacks. I've been reading "The Not So Big House" book (loving it, thanks for the recommendation minneapolisite) and was looking at some new ideas from my original layout. **This is pretty rough** and there's a bunch I really don't like on it just yet, but I wanted to give an update. What I like most about my latest update is more windows in the main living area on the south side of the house and all three living areas having direct windows instead of the dining room being sandwiched into the middle of the house. I also like the shared entry so that the 'nice' entry doesn't end up being for guests only. I hate the way I have the pantry laid out, but I do like the idea of a good sized pantry with room for the chest freezer (currently in the basement in our house today). Also, this opens up the living room for a bit more space. My favorite things about the plan you've drawn, Summerfield, are both of the bathrooms, laundry and master closet. Those are the areas I'm struggling the most with. (as well as the whole bedrooms side of the house...) We may have a small television in the kitchen, and temporarily in the living room, but once the basement is finished we would only have the kitchen tv. So no need to build a dedicated spot for it on the first floor. Site Plan:
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- Posted by ZGAnderson (My Page) on Tue, May 29, 12 at 1:49
| Ok, scrapped the above plan and worked with some of the ideas from Summerfield. I've shortened the kitchen and dining room up a little, moved the washer/dryer to the back entry area, and used the 'master suite' concept with the master bedroom. Overall, this seems pretty good to me, only potential negative I see right now is a few longish halls. I did end up keeping the built-ins in the living room as I think they'll work well. We would use them for a television until the basement is done, but even then we might just build it as a closeable TV cabinet for the long-term. Looking forward to all of your critiques! They've helped a ton so far! As I preview the post, I notice that I neglected to add a double window to the back bedroom and a small window in the master bath and possibly closet. Also, sorry if I have anything dumb going on here, it's very late... Having a lot of fun with this though. Thoughts?
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