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| I've been asked by several members of my family if I am going to consider spray foam for insulation throughout the house.
What are the pros/cons of going this route? I have no idea about the expense of doing this, but I'm curious about its value versus regular fiberglass rolled insulation. |
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- Posted by energy_rater_la (My Page) on Thu, Apr 14, 11 at 11:03
| foam for the roofline is a good investment. foam for the walls is not a good investment. instead of foaming the walls, add the foam to the exterior of the wall by sheathing the house with rigid foam sheathing. tape and seal all the foam sheathing boards, caulk sole plate to slab. insulate walls conventionally. incorperate air tight drywall approach through out the house. this will stop air movement through walls and allow conventional insulation to perform. it will also drop the 25+ year ROI to half. an unvented attic (foam on roofline) will keep check out buildingscience.com for your location there is another thread on this site that covers this info best of luck. |
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| regular fiberglass rolled insulation The power of pink! How else to explain that molten glass became the |
Here is a link that might be useful: Building Science Corp on Insulation
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- Posted by david_cary (My Page) on Fri, Apr 15, 11 at 5:53
| The most important question is where do you live? Next is what is your heating and cooling system? If you live in a cold area and have to heat with oil or propane than you definitely want to spend all you can on insulation. But spray foam is rarely the most cost effective answer - thicker walls, triple pane windows, rigid foam. I am still not sold on foaming the rafters even. Put the air handler and ducts somewhere else and then conventionally insulate. |
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| I had an energy auditor run the numbers for me. Foam was 3 times the price of fiberglass (around $18k vs. 6k) (R38 roof, R21 walls) and the payback period (meaning amount of time it would take to save in heat/cool costs the price difference) was close to 20 years. Not worth it. We are zone 5/6 and have oil hydro-air for heat. We use 750-850 gallons of oil per year, 4000+ sf house. |
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| Look into 'flash & bat.' By putting down a layer of foam you get its infiltration protection, and the layer only needs to be thick enough to make sure the dew point is in the foam. The remainder of the cavity is filled with fiberglass to increase the R-value at lower cost. |
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- Posted by energy_rater_la (My Page) on Fri, Apr 15, 11 at 19:29
| brickeyee, I've read of flash & bat, but itrw the foam companies locally won't do it. they want to foam the whole thing. guess I understand, but don't agree. its all I can do lately to keep up with the many its bad enough when I go into the attic after the foam job sue, I ran these numbers 8 years ago and came up with an average of 25 year payback for foam insulation in walls in a perfect world...ductwork and mechanicals wouldn't be in the attic. doesn't often happen itrw. it is a sad fact that the homeowner has to pay for these just my experience, and it has taken me some time to get to this point. even if you get trades people to seal like they should on one job..come the next house you start all over again. I think that performance based contracting is the way to go best of luck OP |
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| We foamed the whole house and it was bloody expensive. That being said, our heating bills are less than $100/month and we are in upper new england. You also need a heat recovery air exchanger because the house is so tight. All in all, six of one- half a dozen of the other. Glad we did what we did- stepping into a house this cozy in the dead of winter is amazing...but to each their own. |
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| If money is no object and payback period is infinity, spf wins every time. The latest from Dr. Lsitburek on spf. |
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- Posted by david_cary (My Page) on Sat, Apr 16, 11 at 5:43
| The payback period is region and fuel dependent. Here in the South with NG, the payback period is infinity. My conventional house uses $500 a year to heat. Someone using oil in NE will have 5 times that cost or more (even with far better insulation.) A number to work in. Oil is now 4 times the cost of NG on the wholesale market on a btu basis. Propane is close to oil and tracks it in price. Heat pump with cheap electric is just a little better than NG. As someone said, you can seal a house just fine with other techniques. I foamed penetrations and around windows and my blower door was 50% below energy star specs. There was a cat door thrown in that, relatively inexpensive windows, and a large wood french door that just doesn't seal perfectly. |
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| Improv241, sealing the house is one more subject. you mentioned "regular fiberglass rolled insulation." someone responded by mentioning that the pink panther keeping company with the pink product seems to have made people go for it as the unconscious choice. there are two big subjects here. One is technical: sealing the house = airtight = less heat loss, because less outdoor air seeps in. The other big subject is how it came to be that the average bear began to think of "pink" as the Go -To product. It is a lousy product in many installations. It doesn't stop air from moving through it (even with a backing). Air moves every day as barometric pressure changes, and as normal activities inside the house produce humidity and warmth. |
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- Posted by singingmicki (My Page) on Sat, Apr 16, 11 at 11:01
| Remember the add on expenses of spray foaming a house. If your house uses natural gas, there are many things to consider. If your attic is sealed, and your furnace or hot water heater is up there, you'll need a direct vent furnace (or an electric one), and your gas h2o heater will have to ne tankless or direct vent. I guess those requirements would be the same in any sealed part of the house. We went spray foam thinking only about the added expense of the foam itself, but there's a LOT more to it than that! You'll need make up air for every open flame in your house. |
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| "Air moves every day as barometric pressure changes, and as normal activities inside the house produce humidity and warmth." That is NOT the movement that is the problem. Infiltration (movement of conditioned air) in and out through gaps, cracks, etc. is the problem. Fiberglass, cellulose and other fill type insulation are NOT effective at stopping infiltration. Sprayed foam (even the stuff in the little can), caulk, etc. are the infiltration tools, and should be used before you even stat using blown or rolled insulation of any type.
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- Posted by umsteadrunner (My Page) on Thu, May 5, 11 at 14:50
| Has anyone used Dow's SIS Structural Insulated Sheathing? It combines a structural component with insulation and moisture barrier. It is available in .5" (R-3) and 1" (R-5.5) The seams are sealed with a specialized Dow tape. We're considering it for our soon to be constructed home. |
Here is a link that might be useful: link
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| Im doing spray foam in the roofline (like energy rater la said) as it allows all of the space that would be uninsulated attic area to be insulated and hence usabl/heated space. My house also is a half cape with bedrooms and bath on the second floor in this roof line and being able to use all of the floor space on this level will add more usable space to my home that will be very appreciated. My roof pitch is steep so I actually can even have a 3rd story loft as a result. However, Ive been told that spray foam in the exterior walls decreases the flexibility of making changes within these walls (such as electrical, etc.) very difficult down the road. I want this flexibility so im planning on staying away from spray foam for the walls. However, I am going to look into energy rater la's suggestion. |
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- Posted by CTFoamInsulation (My Page) on Sun, Feb 10, 13 at 9:30
| Yes, It is certainly worth it. I provided a link below with good FAQ's about Spray Foam Insulation. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Spray Foam Insulation Information
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- Posted by AnnieDeighnaugh (My Page) on Sun, Feb 10, 13 at 12:23
| We did closed cell insulation on all the exterior walls and we feel it was worth it. Zone 5. Everything we read when learning about going green was put your money into insulation....no matter how you generate a BTU, the longer you hang on to it, the better. Closed cell also adds structural rigidity to the house, is water proof and has deadened sounds substantially so the house is very quiet. |
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