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Posted by SilverSpurTrust (My Page) on Sat, Feb 4, 12 at 16:18
| We should all start a support group for Garrell house plan owner/builders. Lol They're beautiful, but complicated and expensive! We're going to be our own GC and are in the planning & budgeting stages (working on take off estimates, getting bids from subs, writing specs, etc.). We've had some sticker shock on the wood truss/posts/beams, but those really make the plan so we'll just have to see if there is somewhere else we can save some money (like leaving the basement unfinished to start). Always has to be some give and take. This is our third house we've literally built on our own together w/o killing each other...yet. ;)
We've purchased the Amicalola Cottage house plan from G&A and are waiting on to get the modifications back from them so we can really get rolling. We've been lucky enough to find and tour some similar G&A house plans, which has really helped us get a little better feel for the actual spaces.
We'd welcome any suggestions on ways to save money when building this house plan (still keeping the integrity) &/or a heads up for anything we should specifically watch out for on this house plan. We're all ears (or eyes in the this case)! :)
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| Think this was the original G&A plan: http://www.garrellassociates.com/floorplans/amicalola-cottage-05168 This is the one we're starting from, but making modifications to: http://www.architecturaldesigns.com/mountain-home-plan-15662ge.asp This is the one that I'd like to make the outside look more like: http://juddbuilders.net/bm/completedprojects/ Plan to use stained cement shake siding instead of the cedar shakes for less maintenance and upkeep (+ they looked great the house like this that we saw in person). *So far got quote from - http://www.carolinacolortones.com/home/ Plan to cut down on the number of decorative ceiling truss in the Lodge Room (5 is too many and too much $$$$....3 seems more feasible)and hopefully VE some of the others. *Got $$$$$ quote from - http://www.accenttruss.com/ *Waiting on quote from - http://www.southernwoodcraft.net/default.aspx?pagename=Internal *Waiting on quote from - http://www.carolinatimberworks.com/Welcome.html Whatcha think? :) |
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| Hi Guys -- we also have a Garrell plan (a customised Amacalola Cottage). We sat down with their architect in Suwanee GA last year and as for trusses they have a guy in SC that has all this computerised so he can cut them much cheaper than doing it as a one-off (Jim Diffenderfer at Accent Truss www.accenttruss.com). We will build it next year in north GA (assuming we can find a master-builder!), but builders I talked to last year said Garrell were a lot easier to build than a lot of others from magazines. They have built this house hundreds of times in GA in various forms -- let me know if you want some more links. We just can't wait -- currently living in London UK with a British husband (I'm a Georgia girl) and can't WAIT to get a proper house! |
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| We used Garrell as well, our starting plan isn't on their site anymore. I hope you drive a Smart Car, cause that garage won't fit SUVs. If you have more than 3 ft of drop from the house to the garage, the steps will cut a big piece of the garage out too. Arched/Half Round windows = $$$. Save some money by making the garage and MBR arched windows inoperable. Curved wall (especially exterior) = $$$. |
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| Thanks for your post 46Brits. Check your email for my reply. :) Oh lordy, bdpeck-charlotte. Of course we have a big truck and a mid-size SUV so thanks for the heads up on that. We'll have to make sure we allow for those in the garage layout. Thanks for the tip on the garage & MBR arched windows! Good call! Yeah, I figured those curved walls in the Breakfast Area & Basement Bar would get us. Guess if we have to we'll straighten those out. |
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| Good ideas, and thanks for info re garage. Another place we economised on our Garrell plan was by cutting out the curves (replacing them with squared-off angles) and removing many of the insets in the footprint. The builders we spoke with also said to simplify the footprint (not so much the roof line) and it would come out cheaper per square foot. Garrell can, of course, also 'shrink' the whole thing using AUTO CAD -- taking out a foot here and a foot there, we now have just 2,500 s/f on the main level (with corresponding room sizes in basement) and still have large rooms. |
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| We are building this plan now in the Charlotte, NC area. Some of the steps we have taken (or still thinking of) to reduce cost include... [Note that some of the changes were also intended to make the plan feel more like a 'lake' home and less like a 'mountain' home. Also, we are building the plan without the basement.] o removed the wall divider between the kitchen and the lodge room - reduced cost and created a more open, transitional feel o eliminated the half columns in the foyer o replaced the cedar columns on front porch with myratec; columns will be painted, not stained o roughing in the guest suite above the garage; will finish later, sorta 'phase II' o eliminated the full Accent truss/beam/trim package due to $$$ but will likely add back two trusses in lodge room and the scissors truss in the foyer o changed the window plan in the breakfast area to use standard sized windows, straightened out the wall o eliminated the 'cupola' in breakfast area ceiling o upgraded OSB to TechShield type product to reduce heating and cooling costs o eliminated the sink in the Butlers Pantry,kept the cabinets o eliminated the 'bar' off the study and re-purposed that area into a small office with pocket door That is just a quick list. We've made other 'value' adjustments but I just can't think of all right now. Will post more as I have time. If anyone finds a good alternate source to Access Truss, please let me know. That is our next most pressing decision as we move to framing in another week. Thanks! |
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Thank you so much bythenbrs! Sounds like some great ideas so we'll definitely try some of 'em for sure. :) We're leaving the basement unfinished to start with (just roughing it in) so that will be our phase II down the road. ;) Sorry to be a little dense here, but are you talking about the decorative Accent Truss in the exterior gables and interior ceilings or the Access Truss in the actual roof framing? If it's the decorative truss you mean, I have a list of links in one of my previous posts here to three different companies (although we've still yet to get a quote back from two of them....will keep everyone posted on that). |
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| Oh & btw....here are some links to sites for doors & windows that we're getting quotes from: http://www.sunmountaindoor.com/doors/about-our-doors/ (actually spoke to an owner of G&A similar house plan that used them and she said they were wonderful and had the best prices compared to other quotes they received). http://www.etodoors.com/ Y'all feel free to also share any links to suppliers/companies for quotes please. :) |
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| Okay...ONE more thing....if y'all haven't already found the FREE website FLOORPLANNER.COM, you have to check it out! It allows you to overlay a floor plan and then draw over it to modify it as you please (adjusting the transparency as needed). WARNING: It is VERY addictive and you will probably make many more changes to the house plan than you originally intended! I woke up at 3AM the other morning going over the layout in my head so I got up and made a few MORE tiny changes (someone stop me please)! haha I think (or at least hope) it's helped us show G&A exactly what we want thus far so they can finish the modifications on our plans. I just hope they hurry up before I change anything else! Lol ;) |
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| Sorry to be unclear. Meant decorative trusses in the lodge room. Most likely will install two, not the full set shown in the original plan. We have pricing through our builder for the decorative trusses from Accent Truss but gosh darn, these things are expensive. We really would like to find a more economical source... sigh |
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| No worries bythenbrs. I figured that was probably what you were talking about....just wanted to be sure. :) I'm totally with ya on that. We're going to reduce the number of trusses in the lodge room as well. We were shocked by the quote we received from Accent Truss. I'm hoping one of the other companies will come in with a lower figure, but who knows. I'll keep ya posted. In the meantime, guess I'll just keep searching the internet. Feel free to let me know if you find a more economical source first though. :) |
Other Value Adjustments
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| Forgot to mention that we had the architect do a major redo of the original master bathroom. Deleted the barrel ceiling, replaced the 'coffin' tub with a traditional garden tub, relocated the tub to where the shower was on the original plan. Last, the shower was reduced in size and relocated. This squeezed out alot of $$$ and made the master bathroom more practical. |
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Glad to find this sight and enjoyed all the above posts. We purchased 40 acres 2 years ago and planned to build a home. After looking through 1000's of plans we kept going back to the amicalola. Beautiful...we purchased plans and then found out how expensive it was going to be :( The ups and downs of whethere to pursue it or not has been a big dilema. We found another plan very similar to layout and exterior decor and purchased that plan. We are going to break ground in the next few weeks after talking to about 5 builders. We know it will be expensive and will cut back where we can. I would appreciate any pics anyone is willing to share no matter what stage you might be in. Thanks and best wishes to all of you in the process |
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| This is a great thread with many wonderful suggestions. A few months back I asked G&A to send all versions of house plans they had for this house...wow!! Lately I have seen a few newer versions. Would love to build this house, still working on DH, as it has come down to two plans. All your helpful insights and suggetions are greatly appreciated. |
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46 brits i would love to see the links you mentioned that builders have built this house several times in sc. I have happened onto a few by searching realty for sale Thanks |
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| Here are a few links that were listed on another thread, not sure they are all still active. http://www.swaininchomes.com/ http://juddbuilders.net/bm/completedprojects/index.shtml http://www.visualtour.com/shownp.asp?T=1803174 http://www.oldemill.net/realestate-nantahala http://www.corbitthills.com/photogalleries/amicalola/amicalola.html http://www.stephenkarlecontractor.com/gallery.htm http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/220-Governor-Glen-Drive,--K-006_Sunset_SC_29685_1113081379?source=web |
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| Thanks so much for all the posts y'all. Keep 'em coming. =) |
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rnfruita, thanks for the links |
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Location: Ozarks (NWA) Current residence: Chicago (northern burbs) Remote build- under roof Plan: Nantahala FYI: Snapfish will not upload photos to GW, will post relevant photos in a few days. Truss package: Accent Truss Truss facts: Douglas fur- stunningly beautiful kiln dried. Payment: made to Mountain Venture, 3 payments. Shipping: Doug fir arrived from Portland, OR. Well wrapped, 3 AT customer packages on one flatbed load. Lags and dowels arrived from SC. All truss packaging indicates Mountain Venture name. Spec'd: 3 king trusses in Lodge room, plain beams on ext walls in room. Downsized posts in DR to 8 inch. Eliminated smallest gable trusses on front elevation. Eliminated king truss on rear elevation. Eliminated garage posts. Used 3 sissor trusses in foyer. 1 gable truss fabricated by AT, our GC fabricated all others, plus knee braces. Planned: Finish: exterior- Sikkens Cetol SRD semi-transparent. Interior- half mixture of boiled linseed oil and mineral spirits. |
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Thanks so much for the post billygoatjoe! Great info. and ideas. :) |
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| So glad to see new posts with good ideas and suggestions. For lmiles111: We are building in GA, where Garrell is located, so lots of master-builders there have built their plans through the years. Tranquility (the 'mother plan') featured in a Street of Dreams sort of thing in Big Canoe in North GA mountains. The builder's site with some photos is here -- it's VERY high-end: http://danbuilds4u.com/ |
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| For billygoatjoe: thanks LOADS for all this info re your truss package. I'm convinced Accent Truss is the only way to go because Garrell have an arrangement with them and they have all this on computer and the experience to do it properly without being on-site. Only other way to do the decorative interior trusses economically is if either your brother or your best friend can do it for you! Lots of you on this forum have said how expensive these trusses are -- can someone please give me some idea really of how much we're talking about here? It's the first thing we will look at when budgeting, but please give me a clue! We won't be at this stage for about 18 months, and since I'm located in the UK material and subcontractor selection is not something we can start until we get back to the US next year. |
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| SilverSpurTrust now has me addicted to the floorplanner.com website where I'm busily drawing fine details on our plan. Can anyone share specific drawings for what they've done to modify the master bathroom? We won't spend for the barrel ceiling there, and we have already modified a lot of it but always interested in seeing what others are doing. |
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to 46Brits thanks for info we had already found that one. we as well have searched internet intensely trying to find pics. After deciding Amicalola was way too big, expensive, etc and trying to incorporate another plan by David Wiggins-architect and 2 years later.. we called Garrell on Wednesday too see how much it would cost to get one of the smaller versions (Lakewood Cottage) We ordered that one which we should have done a long time ago. Delivered to builder today and we should break ground within next few weeks. I have a few sites that I haven't seen posted and if they have, sorry. You can go to Century 21 web page and enter columbus, GA and then 8004 Adelaide Dr. --Canton, GA 840 Waterford Estates,, Forest, VA 1131 Grand Oaks Dr. and also Realtor.com has one in Sunset. SC 220 Governors Glen Dr. Hope this helps Keep up the wonderful commentsd |
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Location: Ozarks Plan: Nantahala (hip roof) AT: Approx 3000 board feet, S4S (sanded 4 sides) 1 - 6x heavy timber truss - $2400 (consider changing truss dimension if change #) Purchased package, includes shipping. Fabricated: 3 - 6x heavy timber trusses 1 - 6' gable bracket Not Fabricated: 3 scissor trusses 15 - 8 x 8 posts (interior, exterior, covered porch) (foyer downsized from 10x) 2 - 4 x 8 posts 10 - 4x braces (interior, exterior) 4 gable trusses (various sizes) (eliminated 2 smallest gable trusses on front elevation; both gable trusses on rear elevation) Approx. $19 Attempting to upload relevant photos from Picasa. ~bgj |
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| Without gable trusses installed; 3 faux windows will go in upper gables. Eagle windows. Screened porch. Rear elevation is 'Plan B' (without basement). Foundation will be painted stucco. Breakfast nook. Breakfast nook ceiling detail. Lodge room trusses in center of room. Master Bath vaulted ceiling. |
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| billygoatjoe: Wow, thank you soooo much for the Truss info. & pics! Looks great so far! Keep 'em coming. :) We should have our final modified Amicalola Cottage house plans next week. Then we have to get everything approved by the ARB (who knows how long that will take). Hope we can break ground by the end of March at the latest. I'll start posting pics thereafter. In the meantime, I found a cool website called Olioboard.com where you can make a "mood board" or whatever ya want to call it. I put some of the finishes I want to use together to see how they fit. So far so good on that I guess. Thanks again everyone for all the wonderful posts! It's so great to have a support group like this. :) |
Here is a link that might be useful: My
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Well I actually meant to post a pic of MY "mood board". Let's see if this works. :) |
Here is a link that might be useful: PIC of MY Olioboard
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By the way.....ACCENT TRUSS came in with the BEST quote for the TRUSS out of the three we checked with. Plus it makes me feel better to hear/see so many good reviews for them. We weren't expecting JUST the TRUSS to cost as much as they do [$20K+ not including any of the many timber posts or wood shutters], but since they're a major part of this plan, we'll just have to make cuts in other part(s) of the budget somewhere. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Accent Truss
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| For lmiles1111, thanks for links to these photos, and sorry you had already found the guy in Big Canoe. If you will put your email address onto your 'My Page' here in Garden Web, I will send you an email and info on how to look at 140+ detailed photos of that house. Think you made a good decision to go with the smaller plan -- we started with the Chestatee River Cottage version for ours. |
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| Oh and neglected to thank billygoatjoe for super photos and detailed specs. Your AT trusses look AMAZING in the lodge room! I will be very interested in seeing photos of your progress, particularly reduced size uprights, lodge room ceiling and windows, and the barrel ceiling in master bath. You're brave to be doing the cupola ceiling in breakfast nook, and must have a superb builder. |
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| billygoatjoe thank you for all the details and pictures, look forward to seeing your progress. SilverSpurTest your Olioboard looks like mine would look, beautiful choices and a great thread you started. Look forward to all the information. |
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| I am stunned and super-excited to find this group! My husband and I are awaiting revisions on our Garrell plan, the Chestatee River cottage, which we will build on a 2 acre wooded lot in central Ohio. We chose the Chestatee because the breakfast nook and back deck were already squared off, it had a simpler design (not so many nooks & crannies), and because it already had our preferred bathroom plan (at the back of the house, with a more efficient layout -- i.e., no tub in the center of the room). Modifications we are waiting for include -- enlarging the lodge room (this is my biggest concern -- I saw a real Amicalola lodge room and was taken aback by how small it was), deleting the barrier between the lodge room and the kitchen, converting the bar off the study into a second laundry room off the MBR walkin closet, having sliding doors from the lodge room & the MBR out onto the deck and having the deck extend past the MBR, & simpler roof lines without diminishing the charm. We also opted for the screen room in lieu of the "keeping room". Basement & bonus room will remain unfinished - like others, that will be our phase 2, or our selling point in the future. The advice on this website is invaluable!! Thank you all!! |
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Welcome laurajazz. :) Thanks for your post. Sounds like we're doing some of the same modifications. What are your enlarged lodge room dimensions? Our original plan shows the lodge room as approx. 20x17, but since the fireplace and bookshelves take up a few feet of that I'm a little worried it will feel smaller. G&A talked us out of making the keeping room a screened porch (b/c of "the flow" I think he said). We figured having that room to watch TV in would hopefully help us keep the Lodge Room more tidy & company ready....that's my goal anyway. lol We're considering taking out the wall (or at least the top half of it) b/w the kitchen and lodge room, but then we'd have to move the 72"-76" Fridge/Freezer set to the other side of the kitchen taking up and closing off part of the keeping room. We keep going back and forth on that. Using Floorplanner.com I made the following modifications and sent them to G&A to use for our plan: *)Made the original bathroom on the front of the house into a large his side/her side master closet w/ W/D area where the morning bar was (w/ door to hall). *)Added a his side/her side Master Bath on the back of the house w/ a see thru FP from MBR to MBA tub. We ea. have our own separate vanities, linen closets, private toilets w/ the shower across the from tub. *)Show the front stairs (going down to the basement) where the study was (as in some of the other plans). *)Added a "mud hall" w/ lockers b/w the garage and the back set of stairs. When I toured one of the Amicalola houses I didn't care for the way ya had to double back through the kitchen from the other bedrooms on the first floor. I always like to have two ways out of a place....I know....I'm just weird that way. Plus the mudroom felt really small for me (not enough storage/organizational areas). *)Changed the laundry room into more of a large Pantry (w/ a little desk area) since we have the W/D in the Master Closet. Still plan to stub out W/D connections in there (+ on 2nd Fl. and in unfinished basement). I definitely want to put in the double sliding french doors in the Lodge Room with a segmented transom above (as we saw in another G&A house). I'd also like to have those in the basement as well, but we'll have to see if they'll fit in the budget. We just have to see who will come back with the best quote on the doors & windows. Do you already know or have an idea of what type/brand/etc. doors & windows you're using? I really like the darker exterior cladding & trim (either black or dark bronze) on the windows and doors. Decisions, decisions.... |
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| We just rec'd our first round of Garrell revisions to the chestatee. Coolest thing is that we have pretty much everything we want with only 2669 heated sq feet (not counting the small bonus room upstairs, 413 sq ft). Totally open between lodge room and kitchen - no barriers, no columns. Lodge room is 17'8" x 19'. Master has a door to the deck. BR "2 will be used by us as an office, and it has large sliders opening to the screen porch. Lots of outdoor space. Basement will be utilitarian. We're toying with the idea of installing a "lift" or folding stair of sorts underneath the "packing island" in the master walk in closet, for a 2nd route to the basement. (Packing island would be on rollers so that it could be rolled away to reveal this access, or locked in place, concealing the access). SilverSpur, can you tell me where you toured the other Amicalola-style homes? Do you know if they are still available for viewing? We'll fly anywhere. Also if anyone has photos they'd like to share, I'd love to see them - my email is laurajazz@aol.com. My thoughts on the kitchen - keep it light & maybe contemporary -- I think we are going to pass on the big stone around the cooktop (or in our case, will be a professional range but not too big - 42" max) - and I hope to have just a range hood -- not too different from the HGTV dream home 2012 version. Also interested in hearing thoughts on countertops - we're getting a little tired of granite but darn it it's just so practical.... |
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billygoatjoe - How's your build coming along? We'd love to see more pics if you have them and would like to share. We start clearing the lot, grading and digging the foundation next week! I think the roof plan has scared a few framers/roofers so far. It amazes me how so many subs complain about not having enough work and then they either take forever to give a quote or they just blow it off completely. I know we have a while before we get to the back elevated deck, but we've been trying to decide how we want to make it waterproof underneath. Trying to choose b/w one of these options: *) Use some type of composite decking (which kinda worries me after reading all the horror stories on those) or wood decking (cedar or ipe) along with adding one of those under deck water drainage systems. *) Use Duradek Tidedek 60 mil waterproof membrane system then tiling over it (which seems like less maintenance to me). http://www.duradek.com/DuradekUltraTiledek.html? *) Use a poured stamped concrete deck (which would mean using metal floor decking and steel posts to handle the load). We did a 2nd floor deck like this on our last house, but of it was no where near the size of what this deck will be. I'd prefer whichever option will have the least maintenance, but I'm sure cost will be a factor in the final decision as well. What do y'all think? :) PS - Hope ya got my email laurajazz. :) |
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| Should have new pix by week-end. |
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