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Builder's Agent pressing for contract before lot closing-LONG

Posted by rosewest (My Page) on
Wed, Feb 1, 12 at 2:47

My husband and I have purchased a building lot that will close this Friday (in two days). The builder's real estate agent, who is directly employed by the company, represented us in the lot purchase---we have been working with him for over a year, trying to find the perfect lot to build on (and we found it!) so we've gotten to know him quite well. He's a very nice man who has worked very hard for us on the land purchase. However, we do realize (and it has become quite evident) that the reality is that as soon as the lot purchase was completed and we started working on the building plans, he no longer represents us, but represents his employer and his own best interests. As closing day on the lot approaches, he is pressing for us to agree on a final purchase price and to sign the contract with them before closing on Friday. Of course, costs are adding up and we feel the need to be thorough and comfortable with our decision and the purchase price. When we asked him why the big rush, his response was, "You guys will lose leverage in negotiating a good price with the builder after you've closed on the lot." That reasoning doesn't seem to make sense to us---so we're getting the feeling that the big push to sign will somehow put the builder at an advantage. But not having done this in quite the same way before, we can't really figure it out. At this point, we're inclined to continue taking our time as we sort it all out and are feeling confused. Any thoughts or insights as to why all the urgency? Thanks for your responses in advance! (PS Please be kind---I'm feeling a little stupid and a bit sensitive as a result.)


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RE: Builder's Agent pressing for contract before lot closing-LONG

Hi,

I had the same situation. The builder wants the tie in and the contract. I recomend close on the lot first. I also recommend that you put the house build out to competative bidding. Get at least 5 bids to build your house. I had variations in the 50% range on the cost to build.

Competative bidding is what keeps the builder honest. Having said that do not go, nessarily for the lowest bid. Some builders bid low, then ramp your costs in "Change requests" etc. Some bid low, realize they are losing money, then quit halfway though the job. The best way is get the bids and also talk to each builder and ask for references and also ask to see houses they have built. Ideally meet with previous clients to see what their experience was. You also want a guy who bult recently in your area, so he knows the town and also the local construction codes and rules. Remember you are interviewing the builder, you need to work closely together for the next year. Check the builders finances, you do not want to post a deposit only for him to dissapear. In the end I went for a builder in the middle of the pack pricing wise and it turned out quite nicely.

If the builder you are talking to is on the up and up, he / she should welcome competative bidding. The reason is he should if he cares about his client relationship, to make sure that the client knows he/she is not being ripped off. The client will know this if the contruction was put out to competative bidding.

Best, Mike.


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I can't really answer you directly, since I don't have experience with this situation. But I would say, if your instincts are throwing up red flags, trust your gut and take your time. If you rush for this guy, without understanding why, and your house ends up not being the kind of house you envisioned, you will grow to hate it very quickly, because you'll see the mistakes every day. Better to take your time. I would go back to him and explain exactly what you've said here- that you're seeing red flags and you need to him explain very clearly why you should sign now and question him thoroughly. If you still walk away feeling like you've been "salesmanned", then I think you have your answer.


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Mike---sorry I'm a bit slow in understanding here. "The builder wants the tie-in and the contract." What is a "tie-in" and how does he benefit by having those things before the lot closes? Is it just because he wants to seal the deal now before we change our minds?


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RE: Builder's Agent pressing for contract before lot closing-LONG

Hi,

In my particular situation my builder owned the land. The price was conditional on us chooseing him as a builder. In the end we structured a deal in that we could not choose him as the builder but would pay an additional penalty. hence the "Tie-in". In the end we went to competative bidding and saved significantly more than the penalty. So we went with another builder. (There are more twists and turns to the story ... which is a long one. They always are :) )

Builders and real estate agents often have a relationship in that the agent tells the builder you are looking to build, or introduces you to the builder. This works for both parties in that (A) the agent can sell you the land because she has a builder to say sure he can do it. (B) This is good for the builder in that he gets lots of work.

Note the agent is anxious to get the deal done, she / he has commission. The builder is anxious to sign you up. So both have agendas right now possibly not aligned to yours.

I would:

1) make sure you can build the house you want on that bit of land. To do this get an unbiased read for free by taking your plans and a map to the local town building inspector and ask him. If he starts complaining alot then that is a red flag. Note the town building inspector will give you your "Certificate of Occupancy" when you are finished. The town inspector has a legal requirement to make sure your house is "safe". He / she will not sign off if you are not in complaince to codes, EPA, set backs etc. Hence he would love to flag all the issues with you now, rather than have you complain at him later. Some towns also have architecture review boards. In general if your house is similar to what is already there, then you should be in good shape.

Remember the town inspector is your friend. It is good to stay on the right side of him / her. Note that sometimes during a build he can be a real PIA, you cannot do this, you cannot do that ... But remember ultimately he is on your side. Note you pay his salary in that you have to pay a fee to pull the building permit. He works for you!

2) Note when buying the land, the title deed insurance only covers tha land. So triple make sure you know that the land you saw, stood on, is the land you are buying. Check ref land lot numbers etc. And make sure that there are no liens etc. You do not want to find an error after you have sunk $US 500,000 into the house.

Good luck with your build.

All the best, Mike.


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RE: Builder's Agent pressing for contract before lot closing-LONG

Do you have to use this particular builder if you buy this lot?


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RE: Builder's Agent pressing for contract before lot closing-LONG

We do not have to use this builder to build on this lot---unless we sign a contract with him before the lot closes.


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If the neighborhood doesn't have a captive builder and you can pick whomever you like to build, then this is just a way to get you hooked to this builder. Take this one step at a time and take your time selecting a builder - do not rush this step.


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RE: Builder's Agent pressing for contract before lot closing-LONG

I also recommend that you put the house build out to competative bidding.. I agree with this and the other good advice above. In addition, you have a real estate attorney, right? That person should help you understand exactly what you're signing up for when you purchase the lot.

"You guys will lose leverage in negotiating a good price with the builder after you've closed on the lot." I would ask the RE agent why he thinks this is so. If he says there's a discount involved with signing the building contract before land purchase, make sure that's all in writing (but you have nothing to compare it with anyway.) I can't see why a builder would have incentive to be competitive in pricing if he has no competition, so I'd make the RE agent try to explain it to me. (And I'd be skeptical.)


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Perhaps the realtor gets a larger bonus from the builder if a contract is signed before the closing.

In order to competitively bid the project you will need a complete set of design drawings (unless you are only bidding the fee of a Cost of the Work contract). Who will provide that service and what documents would a contract with the original builder be based on?


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I think Renovator8's first sentence spells out the exact reason that the realtor is pressuring you.


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Is the realtor actually working for a builder? If so, the realtor is not representing you. I hope you have a lawyer representing you at the closing.


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I guess I'm not sure what is meant by: "The builder's real estate agent, who is directly employed by the company, represented us in the lot purchase". What is "the company"?

Only a lawyer working for you should "represent" you at a closing.


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I appreciate your responses---I'll try to fill you in on some clarifying information as concisely as possible without too many boring details and hopefully without confusing you too much further (But I'm not always so good at that, so please bear with me). The builder is one of the leading custom home-builders in our area. They build in their own subdivisions as well as on a buyer's own property, specializing in small acreages. My husband and I like their homes---one plan in particular---and became interested a few years ago in possibly having them build it for us on a small acreage---if we could find it (nice, affordable raw land to build on is getting more and more scarce in our area). For about the past year, their real estate agent has been helping us to look for the land. He has shown us about a dozen properties, including a couple of already existing homes on small acreages, as we try to determine a direction for our next home purchase in case that perfect piece of raw land just wasn't out there for us. Well, the "perfect piece of property" did actually come available a few weeks ago and he assisted us in writing the offer and in representing us as the buyers' agent in making the land purchase. Our offer was accepted this time---contingent on the buildability of the property. The builder did do the building feasibility study on the land on our behalf. So far, we have not signed a contract with them to build the home, though we have been discussing pricing of their plan on our lot---but we have not come to even a verbal agreement about that. To be fair to them, they have invested considerable time and effort and, as I write this, I can see why they are pressing for a signed commitment from us at this point----we've made no guarantee that we'll work with them, especially if we aren't in alignment on the purchase price and other details. I spoke with the agent by phone today, and he was fairly cheerful about the fact that we won't be signing a contract for the building before we sign at the title company tomorrow. We do realize that at this point there's no reason for them to be competitive in their offer, without anyone to compete against!! Since the bid is on one of their own plans, I'm pretty sure we would not be able to acquire a set of plans in order to get other competitive bids. It feels like we've put some carts before the horses and have painted ourselves into a bit of a corner. It's too late to get an attorney to assist us at closing tomorrow---which is now 7 hours away and will already have been signed by the time most of you are reading this. I'm not entirely sure how to proceed at this point....


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RE: Builder's Agent pressing for contract before lot closing-LONG

I have no experience with negotiating a Design-Build contract but the only reason the builder would not be competitive is if there were no other builders available. If you think it is unfair to drop this builder after the work he has done for free, you could pay him for his effort.


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Hi,

I think this may be a rough guideline to follow.

1) You like the land. This is somewhere where you want to live. You know you can build something on it that you would like. Exact house details aside. I would therefore close on the land. No need to sign the builder contract. I think the land purchase and builders contract are independent steps.

2) After you have the land. You can then shop the house and the build. You can either hire an arcitect, or another designer builder, or the home builder you already know and the plan that you like. I.e. you have options as to pricing and builders and designers.

I think breaking down the process into smaller step by step chunks makes things easier. Although it is always useful to keep a mind's eye on the big picture goal of your house on your lot.


Maybe this in a nutshell one-two step guideline is something that would make things more clear cut.

All the best, Mike.


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RE: Builder's Agent pressing for contract before lot closing-LONG

Thanks for your help----That's exactly what we'll do. We signed papers for the lot and it closed and was recorded on Friday---we are thrilled and are feeling quite comfortable about that move. We did not sign the contract with the builder. We're taking the time to consider our options, including possibly that builder. But we don't feel motivated to make a quick decision either and will take our time to make the right one...


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RE: Builder's Agent pressing for contract before lot closing-LONG

Congratulations!

All the very best, and good luck with your journey. I am sure you will end up with something very special.


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