had to remove my jaw from my lap after seeing that Niwaki in Chi-town. How big is that hummer? Looks like it needs a whole team and a couple of cherry pickers to maintain it every year. Thanks for showing us this picture, Nate. As far as I'm concerned, this thread is done. ~Dave

Thanks for the info Bumble. I may have to try that. I don't need a primer, but do get circles so the brightening might help. Shee - I actually have good skin but I am much older than you. My skin is getting drier and I have some slight discolorations I'm sure from the sun (I do wear sunscreen religiously now), and also I think a mixture of BC pills and sun. I've never had problems with acne, so no scarring. I'm just wondering though - have you used any retin-a products? The gal who does my hair is the one (and another gal in the salon) who recommended the products I have been trying. She is 25ish and has a few dark spots left from blemishes. So she says, I've never actually noticed them and she has been using the cleanser I got and the retin-a products (cleanser has alpha and beta hydroxy) and she said it has greatly improved her skin. My mineral make-up stays. Again though my skin is on the dry side, so that probably makes a difference. I'm on a mission to find a new one though because the one I've been using has gone out of business! I tried to find one that didn't use some of the ingredients that were irritating to some (I have sensitive skin). Perfectly matched my skin and I dread looking for a new brand. Another good thing though is how long the mineral make-up lasts. I'm with Jen on the less on my face. I do agree with Bumble about more products. I think it is important to work towards getting your skin in the best condition possible and then you won't need as much make-up. I can't stand the feeling of alot of stuff on my face. I don't wear colored shadows - just a lighter color (base), then a deep taupe and at times add a deep grey to outer corners. I like a soft, blended eyeliner. I like foundation/blush, etc. to look natural and then a sheer, bright lip. Looks best on me. I'm not going to be able to continue with this retin-A stuff - going to check and see if there is a formula with less percentage of retin-A or try the Replenish (Replenix?) that someone mentioned here. tina

Oh Aunt Jen.............you are definitely NOT as zig-zaggy fast as that wand! You are blond and cute, but not ziggy fast. I know. It hurts to hear, doesn't it? Check out the youtube video. No, it's not me. But I should do youtube videos, huh? Well, heading into day II of the MAC foundation. DD loved it on me. My 29 yr old (too cute for words) boss loved it on me. But again...........need my dead flat look. Going to try again and see what I think. And I have another review. I bought the Maybelline Color Sensations lipstick in Coffee Craze yesterday. The color is so close to the MAC verve I just got. (Can you tell I was excited about the MAC counter???? Been in Macy's 1200 times, but never ventured over to MAC till this week. Favorite part? No perfume smell at MAC.) Anyway, the color was good, but the smell...........! Whoa. Color Sensations smells like old paint. And the MAC smells like chocolate vanilla. Double the $$ but I do love this lipstick. Red and oh my goodness......while searching for a short little youtube video on the ziggynes of PP for Jen, I found someone reviewing it, who was worried about inserting the battery in the tube...........wow. wow. Here is a link that might be useful: Pulse Perfection Review on youtube

My eyebrows are very light, and after trying various powders and colors I found the best solution for me was also very inexpensive: Wet & Wild's eyebrow pencil in Taupe. It's so soft that I can stroke it on my brows at an angle, and it actually colors the hairs. I can fill in with the point if necessary. I don't think I'd want grey eyebrows--but I love grey eye liner, and in fact just ordered two of of them in different shades of grey from eBay.