What is the quality difference between expensive grills
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Tiffany, purpleinopp Z8b Opp, AL
11 years agoNunyabiz1
11 years agoWe bought a Ceramic Kamado grill/smoker.
Wish I would have done this 30 years ago because I would still have the same grill 30 years later and wouldn't have gone through about 8-10 cheap charcoal grills. (Usually the $50 Brinkman water smoker grills) which last about 2-3 years and I just put them on their side and smash flat and throw them away.
The Kamado is absolutely outstanding.
You can adjust the temp from about 220 up to over 800 and everything in between.
Can keep it at 220 for at least 12 straight hours without having to touch it.
It is very stingy on charcoal use because it is nicely insulated with the little over 1" thick ceramic.Meat stays nice and juicy.
is a perfect dry smoker, and water smoker.
can turn it into a nice oven with a good Lava/Pizza stone.
Has accessories to turn it into a outstanding Wok
All in all it is the perfect BBQ/Smoker/Grill that should last a lifetime, and I mean a LIFE time even if you buy it in your 20s use it several times a month until you are in your 90s. If well taken care of it should be the only grill you ever have to buy.As for starting the charcoal.
Using a "Weed Torch" connected to a small propane tank I can start this grill in about 30 seconds.
Have it to 220 degrees for smoking in under 2 minutes.
At about 350 degrees for basic grilling like chicken in about 4 minutes, and up to over 500 degrees for high temp searing of steaks in under about 6-7 minutes.With the vents on bottom and top wide open it acts as a blow torch inside and gets very hot fast.
Using a weed torch for about 30 seconds or so lights the charcoal fast and uses no contaminates like lighter fluid so the coals are ready immediately just as soon as they reach desired temp.I have gone out to my Kamado, started it, go back to kitchen to get steaks, come back 6-7 minutes later and its ready to cook, throw on the steaks about 3-6 minutes per side depending on thickness and I am done in well under 30 minutes even if I need to clean out old charcoal and add a full batch of new.
A full load of charcoal should last 3-4 grillings for steaks, or at least 12 hours if you are slow smoking a Boston Butt.The Kamado is really just about the same speed of use as a gas grill when using a weed torch.
I bit more hassle just because of the use/cleaning out of charcoal but for the flavor difference it is well worth it.Gas grills just do not compare.
Other charcoal grills do not really compare to a good Kamado.The one we got was from Costco, called a "Vision Grill" and only cost $540.
Every bit as good, in fact in some ways actually better than the Big Green Egg and cost about 50% less.This is what it looks like.
and this is weed torch
Tiffany, purpleinopp Z8b Opp, AL
11 years agoNunyabiz1
11 years agopurple.
You are welcome, I guarantee you will not regret it and nothing is better than a weed torch to light charcoal.
The Torch you can get from Harbor Freight for $20 and if you need a propane tank they are around $25-$30.
Costco is good for those.
One fill of propane should last years because you are only using it for under 1 minute each time.This is the whole setup.
The one we got, especially since it was from Costco I think is the best deal you will find on a Kamado.
At Costco they only sell the "Classic B" version which works great, honestly I think I would prefer that version even if I had a choice because I do not and never will use an electric coil charcoal starter anyway.Here is a link that might be useful: Vision Grills
This post was edited by Nunyabiz1 on Thu, Apr 11, 13 at 10:59
Tiffany, purpleinopp Z8b Opp, AL
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