As many of you, I have been drooling over this grill for over a year. Your postings have confirmed my thoughts and I have already received financial approval. I will be getting this grill within the next 2 weeks. The question I have, and also saw that someone else asked but have not seen a response, has anyone done a "permanent" or "semi-permanent" installation with an LP heated house? My house is only a year old and is heated by LP. We have a 1000 gallon tank buried in the yard. All of the discussions of plumbing type and size encourage me to offer some detail as to our setup. There is a regulator on the side of the house that drops the pressure to 2 PSI. Inside there is a regulator attached to a manafold that provides individual taps for every appliance (2 furnaces, water heater, stove, dryer, and a dedicated run to the deck for a "future grill") All of this is done with a somewhat flexible 1/2" yellow (I guess vinyl) coated copper. That main regulator is supposed to be able to support all of the appliances and maintain the 14" of pressure. Outside is a stub of 1/2" black pipe to which I need to connect. My plan is a temporary connection (soft hose) upon purchase and a permanent one when I can build this unit in. I agree with the concerns of leaks and will obviously put a shut-off valve before any soft hose. I saw mention of a hose kit from HD for $35. This is listed as an NG hose but at roughly 1/2 PSI I assume it will work for LP? Any thoughts or input would be appreciated. Thanks, Lee

Alek, I enjoyed looking at all the info on your web site. Recently I saw a NG Y0660 that had been returned to Sam's Club because the buyer really needed the LPG version. It was a bit dented-up in the front, and missing the rotisserie parts. Sam's wanted $700 for it. I started the task of trying to figure out just what it would take to convert it to propane and to repair the cosmetic damage. When I realized that the valves would have to be replaced, as well as the orifices, both doors and one drawer, as well as all the missing rotisserie parts, I almost bagged the idea, but decided to call Grand Hall and check on parts prices anyway. Am I ever glad that I did! The prices were so reasonable that the total cost to convert to LPG and restore the grill to new condition was only $270.00 including shipping. When my offer of $500.00 was accepted by the manager at Sam's I picked up the grill and ordered the parts. I've installed them all, with the exception of one valve that was not correct, a missing bracket to mount the rotisserie motor, and slides for the tank drawer ... basically just "noise-level" problems. Haven't had a chance to use the grill yet, as the weather hasn't been too cooperative, but I'm looking forward to it. My total cost for an "almost new" Y0660 grill is now $770.00. ! ! ! ! ! ! S C O R E ! ! ! ! ! ! There are a few things that I've learned from this exercise that I'd like to pass along: 1) Grand Hall's customer service folks are great! Their policies are pretty good too ... with the incorrect part it was "Oh, we'll get a replacement out today", not "Send it back and we'll see ...". 2) If you know what you need, and how to ask for it, you *CAN* buy the parts to convert these grills from NG to LPG and from LPG to NG. 3) The parts costs are ludicrously low ... the main valves, which include the orifice are only $5.00 each, and the side burner and rotisserie valves are $8.00 each, as they include a little more hardware. It probably makes more sense to just buy the darned things than to do the drilling for the LPG to NG conversion, and it's WAYYY better to buy for the NG to LPG conversion than to try filling and redrilling with smaller holes. 4) Rather than actually replacing the valves, which can be difficult to get off the manifold of the Y0660, it's better to just swap the valve cores and the orifices. I don't know for sure if the valves are common between the Y0660 and the smaller Y0101XC, but the conversion pictures on your site look identical. For example, the main burner gas valve part number is P03222007A for LPG. Also, the valve bodies have the number "0404A" cast into the side. This is the same for the NG and the LPG valves. How does this compare to the part number & valves for the Y0101XC? I have a full set of parts for anyone wanting to convert from LPG to NG. I'd also be interested in that guage that you've got left over from your conversion,...

bobkev; I don't think that you are missing anything. I purchased the Member's Mark $599 grill over a year ago and it did not come with a secondary warming rack. As far as I know it still doesn't have it as standard equipment. I think the reason they don't include it is becuase of the rotissere burner location. However, as TerryArn pointed out they may offer one optionally if you call them they may be able to get you more info. Good luck.

Wow, that got pretty ugly Dodge. I do agree with you about the hinges/door tho. I wondered why on earth they couldn't seem to get a reliable hinge made. However, it does for the first time appear as tho the new designed hinge is different from the previous ones. Lets hope. foodonastump: I think this will be my last response on this thread as it sunk to new record levels. I just want to clear up that I have never said Trevor's tests were rigged or his experience is not based what so ever on fact or that his posts were not valuable. It is actually that he has a lot of experience on both ranges that I sort of hold him to a higher level than many people. There are a lot of things said on here against BS since the CC came along that are false and Trevor does not come out to correct these inaccuracies they way he would have before the CC or if the inaccuracy was toward the CC. One example I can think of right off the top of my head was when a member of GW posted that the BS burner was 8" in diameter. It was me that had to correct the gross inaccuracy of that. If the same inaccuracy was said of the CC you can be sure he would be there to correct it, or pre CC he would have been there to correct it. And in this case the simmer has been proven to be superior (technically speaking) to the CC. When Stooxie made his post, I think Trevor should have let it be. As to the definition of bias, I simply think of bias to mean impartial judgment. And Trevor does not have that, neither do you or I. Do you think when Trevor performs these tests, that he doesn't give a rats behind which range comes out better like an impartial judge would? Do you think that after the break up of their relationship that he would be an impartial judge? Do you think that he is an impartial judge when he was a very big player in the design and probably the single reason why the CC exists? No way. Because of these facts, and since Trevor has the most to lose or gain, I do believe his bias is probably greater than many, although he certainly does try to keep it under control. And again, I am not trying to bash Trevor. If I have to say it 1000 times I will, I think he is a wonderful guy. The last point I have to reiterate is that there are a LOT of pro's and cons to both ranges that you do not have to have cooked on both to realize. I already realize that the CC has a slight high power advantage. Same as I realize that BS has a low power advantage. I realize CC has an external oven temp advantage same as I realize BS has a oven size advantage. Same thing with buying a car, there are some models you do not have to drive to know that you are not interested. It may be as tiny a detail as the trunk it too small for your needs/wants. I am not 100% certain on this, but I also believe that he was singing the praises of the CC before he himself had cooked on one. So I guess that is it for this thread for me.