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| I've been reading tons and tons of posts and have learned alot. Now I have a problem and need your help.
Our contractor layed our porcelain tile floor in our master bathroom a week ago. I washed the floor yesterday and today with a neutral cleaner both times and I cannot get the floor clean. There is a white film on the floor and it looks horrible. How can I get this film off our porcelain tiles. If you can be specific as to the exact brand of cleaner I should use. The white film is driving me insane. |
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- Posted by bill_vincent (billvincent@hotmail.com) on Sun, Nov 25, 07 at 19:13
| You've got one of two things going on there. Either the installer sealoed the porcelian, and what you're seeing is dried sealer on top of the tile, or it's grout haze. before I tell you how to treat it, you need to find out if your installer sealed the tile or not, because you need one of two totally different things depending on which it is. |
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- Posted by cactuscatie (My Page) on Mon, Nov 26, 07 at 6:32
| Bill, it's grout haze. He did not use a sealer. |
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- Posted by bill_vincent (billvincent@hotmail.com) on Mon, Nov 26, 07 at 8:12
| GO to either HD or Lowes, to their tile aisle. Either one will have what's called a non-acidic grout haze remover. Start with that. You may want to pick up a scrub brush, while you're there. |
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- Posted by bill_vincent (billvincent@hotmail.com) on Mon, Nov 26, 07 at 8:13
| You know what- scratch that. HAVE YOUR INSTALLER take care of it! This is HIS problem. |
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- Posted by bill_g_web (My Page) on Mon, Nov 26, 07 at 10:06
| Should frosted, (sanded), glass tile be sealed before grouting as well? The latest "This old House" mag had a remodeling story in which the owner listed "sanded glass tile in the shower" as something he would not do again because of the trouble removing the grout haze. Thanks, Bill |
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- Posted by bill_vincent (billvincent@hotmail.com) on Mon, Nov 26, 07 at 12:48
| There's a really easy way for everyone to know whether or not a surface should be sealed or not: If it doesn't absorb, then it shouldn't be sealed. The sealers all of you usually talk about are what's called penetrating sealers. If they can't poenetrate, then the solids in the sealer end up sitting on the face of the tile and drying there, and then you get the same look as catie was speaking of-- a nice white haze on the face of the tile, that's a nightmare to get rid of. And yes, glass of ALL types would fall under that heading. |
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- Posted by cactuscatie (My Page) on Mon, Nov 26, 07 at 16:25
| Thanks Bill for responding. I told our installer and he said he would take care of it. |
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| MAN! That's what I hate about DIY...there's no one else to blame (g) Bill, my glass tile manufacturer suggests sealing before grouting. This tile has what feels very like fine fissures on the surface. |
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- Posted by bill_vincent (billvincent@hotmail.com) on Mon, Nov 26, 07 at 20:04
| Just for _____ and grins, ask your manufacturer WHAT sealer they recommend. Here's the problem, I have with that, Monica-- Even with those fine fissures, the sealer would still sit on top of the glass. But who knows-- lets see what they have to say. If they make a recommendation, use what they recommend (let me know what it is, too!), and then lets see what happens. If there's a problem, they should stand behind it, being it was their specific recommendation. |
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- Posted by bill_vincent (billvincent@hotmail.com) on Mon, Nov 26, 07 at 20:06
| If it were my installation, I'd be going no sealer, and then if there WERE a haze, or minute bits of grout caught up in "fine fissures", I'd be going to the nonacid haze remover I spoke of up above. |
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| OK OK, you win! I won't make poor DH seal the tile before he gouts it. He's going to wonder about me (if he hasn't already). I've been adamant about sealing it since Westminster said to. Bill, have you ever installed Sonoma's Tantrum glass tiles? |
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- Posted by bill_vincent (billvincent@hotmail.com) on Mon, Nov 26, 07 at 21:29
| Monica, seriously-- find out what they want you to seal it with. This has me bigtime curious now. |
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| Hi Bill...just to clarify. You are saying that you should not use a sealer on porcelan floor? I was considering using a 16 x 16 white porcelan tile for my master bath floor rather than marble...thought it would be less maintenence. Now after reading these posts, I am rethinking this decision. Is it easy to clean speckles of hairspray and other bathroom used products off of a porcelan floor? How do you prevent this grout haze from happening in the first place? Tile woman suggests that I will need virtually no grout line with this tile. |
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- Posted by bill_vincent (billvincent@hotmail.com) on Mon, Nov 26, 07 at 22:31
| Okay, one at a time. First, Correct-- no sealer on porcelain. Not only is it not necessary in that porcelain won't benefit from sealing, but it'll actually ruin the look of the tile, leaving a white haze on top of it. I was considering using a 16 x 16 white porcelan tile for my master bath floor rather than marble...thought it would be less maintenence. It is. Especially if you're going with a stark white porcelain in place of thassos marble. Is it easy to clean speckles of hairspray and other bathroom used products off of a porcelan floor? Just about everything will clean up pretty easily off porcelain. How do you prevent this grout haze from happening in the first place? By being meticulous when grouting that you clean the floor well. It's next to impossible to have no haze at all, but if the grout installation is done properly, all it should take to clean up afterward is a mop and plain clear water. Tile woman suggests that I will need virtually no grout line with this tile. If this is rectified porcelain, (which it sounds like it is) then I agree with her. You only need a minimal grout joint (1/16", +/-). |
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- Posted by bill_vincent (billvincent@hotmail.com) on Mon, Nov 26, 07 at 22:32
| Just to clarify MY post-- even with porcelain, you can, if you wish, still seal the grout. Just not the tile. |
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| Bill, just got off the phone with Westminster. NOT an easy company to talk to. They said it didn't matter what type of sealer as long as it was penetrating. I called back and said "my" tile guy (g) and I are confused. Since the sealer can't penetrate the glass, it's going to leave a hazy film which will be a bugger bear to clean. The person relaying in nfo to the receptionist is at lunch. I'm still not sure what I'll do at this point. DH will be grouting this weekend. Monica |
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- Posted by bill_vincent (billvincent@hotmail.com) on Sat, Dec 1, 07 at 16:52
| Go by the manufacturer's directions, and if it hazes over.... :-( |
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| Bill, it did NOT haze over :) And I'm so glad I sealed it first. The fissures/cracks on the surface of these tiles go all the way thru to the crushed glass on the inside. If not sealed, they'll become stained with the grout color. It appears I forgot one small (3" corner) and we did get some slight staining but it has since all but disappeared as the grout has dried. That was the only spot that slightly discolored so I know it made a difference. As for sealer haze...none :) All's well :) Monica |
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- Posted by bill_vincent (billvincent@hotmail.com) on Sat, Dec 1, 07 at 21:19
| Good deal. See, I'm not afraid to learn, too. :-) I'd like to know how a penetrating sealer works on glass, though. Mongo-- you know anything about this? |
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- Posted by cruise1521 (My Page) on Mon, Mar 29, 10 at 14:02
| I ended up putting a sealer on our porcelain floor not it greesy feeling when I walk on it. What can I do to get rid of that greesy feeling and haze? thanks! |
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