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| I thought I had convinced myself that I can do my own tile tub surround. We currently have a three piece tub surround over a cast iron tub. I am keeping the tub. I have no idea what is under the tub surround - so was planning to likely have to take it down to the studs. If I tile to the ceiling, it will be a little more than 31 sq. ft. total.
I've gone over and over the steps and I think I understand what to do. I'm a handy person and this is not beyond my abilities. However, I don't have the vast majority of the tools that I will need since I have never tiled before. I'll probably need to buy not only the trowels, spacers and tile nippers/cutter, but also a paddle bit for the drill to mix the thinset, and either a hole saw or drill bits to make holes in the cement board for the plumbing.
I know the tools would be an investment, but aside from a fairly recently renovated master bath, the kitchen backsplash, and some asbestos filled tiles in the laundry room which we will probably never touch, this is a tile free house, so there won't be a lot of use for the tools - but you never know. For anyone who has done this before - any thoughts on my concerns? |
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| Just curious...how'd you come up with 31 sqft for tiling to the ceiling? For a typical tub surround: -poly sheeting: $10 So materials, rounding way up, about $150 not counting the tile. Tools? To cut the tile: The box stores will do it for you on a per cut basis. I have no idea what they charge. For for basic tile you can use a score and snap cutter. They can be had for $25-$50. Or you can buy a cheap wetsaw at the box stores for $50. Or buy one on craigslist then resell it when you are done. So...$50 let;s say. Always good to have tile nippers, $20. Have your plumbing fall on grout lines instead of in the middle of a tile and you can nip a hole instead of having to drill a hole. To mix and spread the thinset: To Grout: Basic hand tools, about $50. Add $50 for a tile cutter, so total tools is about $100. Materials: $150 Total, about $550 Rough guess.
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- Posted by mamattorney (My Page) on Thu, Oct 4, 12 at 19:57
| Wow, that makes it sound really reasonable; I'm definitely doing this now. How did I come up with 31 sq ft? Why, because I apparently have two 7in tall bathtub walls. My handwritten calculations were 30 x 70 = 210. Whoops. Thanks for that. Looks like it's just over 57 sq feet, like you said. Would you say that it's easier for a first time tiler to use larger tiles as opposed to smaller? I like all different kinds of tile; I'm not married to any specific style. |
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| "How did I come up with 31 sq ft? Why, because I apparently have two 7in tall bathtub walls. " lol, that reminded me of the "stonehenge" props in the movie Spinal Tap. For a first tie tiler, the easiest is probably to use a tile that has self-spacing lugs or nubs. Little bumps on the edges of the tile. Get your initial course level and away you go.
The larger the tile you use, the flatter the wall has to be. Smaller tile can conform to any imperfections. A large tile would "rock" over a hump in the wall, for example. You might get one edge of the rocking tile even with the edge of its neighbor, but the opposite side would stick out and result in "lippage".
Smaller tiles also increase the likelihood that your plumbing will be near a grout line. You can use nippers to shape the required hole on the edge of the tile instead of a coring bit in a drill to make a hole in the middle of a tile. Not a hard and fast rule though. Larger tile will result in less grout. So it's a balance either way. Biggest lesson I can offer if you use lugged tiles is that you don't set your first row (first course) of tile on the top of the tub deck. The tub might not be level, it might not even be straight. Use a level to find out. I'll skip the bottom course of tile and shim a straight edge, usually a piece of angle iron, off the tub. Set it at the right height, which is the height that you want the bottom edge of the second course of tile to be. Level it, then tile away. Once done with the wall, remove the angle iron and fill in the bottom course. The following article is an old one, it shows tar paper instead of 6-mil poly sheeting behind the tile backer board. But the overall work flow is the same.
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| I would encourage you to buy an inexpensive tile saw. The first couple of tile jobs I did I rented a tile saw for a day. Well, at the end of the day, when you need to get that saw back the cuts are not, well, perfect. ;) I have since bought an inexpensive saw from a big box store. Much better to not rush through the cutting process. That little saw has seen me through several tiling jobs now. And you can always sell it later on Craigslist. |
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- Posted by mamattorney (My Page) on Fri, Oct 5, 12 at 10:46
| Excellent, excellent. Thanks. Putting a plan in place now. I'll be changing out the shower/tub trims and will definitely need a new valve. I know my limits and using a soldering iron is one of them. So, the steps will be: 1) demolition But is it: 2) plumber or is it the reverse where I just cut the new hole for the valve and allow the plumber to adjust pipe length and maneuver the valve into the hole I created? We have an access panel behind the tub - access to the plumbing is a non-issue. It can be done at any time. Does it matter? |
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| No disrespect intended, but if you were planning on using a soldering iron...yup, hire a plumber. lol Demo down to the studs. Clean up any mess. Then have the plumber come in and do his thing. Be specific on where you want the supply valve, how high you want the shower head, etc, and based on where you want the head, the arm may need to be higher since the arm is usually angled. Example, if you are planning on using 12" square tiles and you want the valve to fall on a grout line, then have the valve centered 12", 24" or 36", etc, above the tub deck. Same with the shower head. It's not a hard and fast rule that you have to do that. Tile layouts can be altered to get the pattern you want, or need. Add any ventilation, lighting, wiring, etc, as needed. Then poly, then install the tile backer, etc. Your valve will come with a template for how large a hole to cut in the cement backer board, etc. |
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- Posted by mabeldingeldine (My Page) on Fri, Oct 5, 12 at 23:30
| Very helpful thread, as I am embarking on this same project over the next few weeks. One idea I had is to use a mosaic accent on the fixture wall, so that I can remove tiles for the plumbing to go through. I hope it works! |
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| LOL @ "Stonehenge", mongo : ) |
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