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Help me create a bill of materials for what I need to buy

Posted by lalitha (My Page) on
Thu, Sep 22, 11 at 13:13

We are renovating 2 bathrooms and I would appreciate some advice on exactly what I need to get for plumbing fixtures. I have some ideas from a layman perspective but very confused about the actual items and plumbing equipment needed

Master Bath
Hansgrohe Shower on slide bar
Hansgrohe Rain shower head that can be used at the same time
Thermostatic valve
Grab bar
Fixtures for a clawfoot tub

Not sure what else I need - rough in, divertor etc..

Second Bath

Shower on slide bar (goes over tub in an alcove)
Tub spout, stopper etc.
Thermostatic valve
Divertor?
Grab bars
Wall mounted fold down seat (one of the users will be my elderly mother. Not sure what to look for here)

thanks

Lalitha


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RE: Help me create a bill of materials for what I need to buy

I am not sure I understand, will your mom be using a tub or walk in shower? Tubs are very difficult and dangerous for the elderly, and a walk in shower is a better option.


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RE: Help me create a bill of materials for what I need to buy

Will a plumber being doing the work and you just want to have the valves, trim kits, and assorted niceties on hand for him to install, or will you be doing the rough plumbing and finish plumbing/installation all by yourself?


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RE: Help me create a bill of materials for what I need to buy

Mongoct- A plumber will be doing the work. All I was looking to do is to source the items we need before hand and to try and get the cheapest price. The plumber is ok with that, but the items need to be ready and available if not he is just going to pick up "whatever" from the local plumbing store or I have to pay top dollar for any specific fixtures.

Gmp3 - my mom prefers the shower over a tub and I will be installing a fold down shower bench for her as well as several grab bars.

Lalitha


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RE: Help me create a bill of materials for what I need to buy

Master Bath
Hansgrohe Shower on slide bar
Hansgrohe Rain shower head that can be used at the same time
Thermostatic valve
Grab bar
Fixtures for a clawfoot tub

MASTER BATH

I'm guessing that the shower and the clawfoot tub will be separate entities? The links are simply for reference, I'll stay within the Hansgrohe family if able.

1) Hansgrohe Shower on slidebar: You can buy items separately or as a kit. But in whatever combination you'll need:
1a) wall bar
1b) hose to connect handheld shower head to supply outlet
1c) handheld shower head
1d) wall supply outlet/elbow

2) For the Hansgrohe Rainshower head:
2a) Shower head
2b) Shower arm for out of the ceiling OR wall.

3) Thermostatic Valve:
3a) to get the water to the handheld and/or the rainhead, you'll want a thermostatic with built-in diverter to keep things simple. Hansgrohe has the Hansgrohe iBox that will do the trick.

For an alternative choice, Hansgrohe has the Thermobalance III valve. It has three outlet ports, you only need two. The extra port can not be capped. So what your plumber can do it to plumb port "A" to one shower head, then loop ports B and C together and have them feed the other shower head. Additional instructions are in the installation manual for the valve.

3b) You'll need a trim kit for the valve to make it all purdy.

If getting another valve, you'd need a trim to match that valve. In general, trim kits are not universal. Though they come in different styles, they are matched to the specific valve they are mated to. So always make sure the trim kit will fit the rough-in valve that you have chosen.

4) Grab bar:
4a) You'll want blocking behind the walls for the grab bar. If not, then consider Wing It anchors.

4b) For grab bars and, take a look at grab bar specialists.

5) Clawfoot Tub: Depends on the tub, but you can have faucets that mount on the tub rim, the bathroom wall, or freestanding faucets that come through the floor next to the tub.

5a) Pick your poison!

5b) Now that you've filled the tub, you need to drain the tub. You'll need a drain/overfill mechanism.

SECOND BATH:

Shower on slide bar (goes over tub in an alcove)
Tub spout, stopper etc.
Thermostatic valve
Divertor?
Grab bars
Wall mounted fold down seat (one of the users will be my elderly mother. Not sure what to look for here)

You can get a complete trim kit for this through Hansgrohe, or again buy the items individually.

Complete trim kit but you'd also need the iBox valve listed in the master bath description.

The iBox valve and the listed complete trim kit would take care of everything but the grab bars and shower seat.

If you wanted to break things out individually, then for the handheld you'd need the same stuff as above: Wall bar, wall outlet, hose, handheld head.

For the valve, you'd need the iBox valve and the iBox trim kit or your choosing. Or if using another valve like the Thermobalance II, you'd need the TBII valve and a TBII trim kit or your chosing. The TBII is an "A" or "B" diverter, which is fine for a shower/tub combo.

For the tub spout, you'd need to pick out a spout that DOES NOT have a diverter built in to the spout since the iBox valve already has the diverted in the valve itself. The spouts with diverters are usually used with pressure-balanced valves.

For the tub, if the plumber is not supplying it, you'll need a drain assembly. Any generic one will do.

Grab bars are the same as previous.

Shower seats, it's a personal reference, but I like a large shower transfer seat. Sit down, swing your legs into the tub, then bathe while sitting or standing.

A lot of links, hopefully they all work.

Best, Mongo


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RE: Help me create a bill of materials for what I need to buy

Mongo is being very kind here by giving you the list for free. If you lack the expertise to create your own list, then the information that he has provided is part of what you pay a plumber for, and it's part of why the fixtures that the plumber provides are more expensive than if you source them yourself. You're paying for the expert knowledge. Unfortunately, without understanding what each of the parts is needed for and how the choices are interrelated, you may make mistakes with your order that could impact your timeline. I think you need to educate yourself a bit further so as to understand what you're ordering so that doesn't happen. Or, just let your plumber create his own list and order for you.

PS, you owe Mongo a commission check! ;)


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RE: Help me create a bill of materials for what I need to buy

I agree Mongo is most gracious!!
That said, he must be a very rich guy, since everyone must be paying him that commission, huh Mongo??


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RE: Help me create a bill of materials for what I need to buy

GW has been cranky since Friday and keeps complianing about illegal strings when I attempt to reply to this thread.

MongoCt is definitely most gracious! I emailed him offline to thank him and share my experience in the plumbing suppkly store when I went with the Mongolist and could rattle off iBox.... as opposed to asking for that "thingie behind the lever to keep the temperature constant and make the hand shower and rain shower work at the same time :)"

This is what I love about GW.


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RE: Help me create a bill of materials for what I need to buy

make sure your plumber knows how to install hansgrohe so that you don't have to pay him for 'on the job training'. Not all plumbers are familiar with it. We had a plumber out here who hooked up the diverter wrong and thankfully our GC caught it before any tile went up.


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