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Drill through tile or grout?

albryant
11 years ago

I need to mark the position of our towel bar and shower slide arm for mounting on our subway tile shower. I have read conflicting advice regarding the best way to drill - through the grout or through the tile?

What's the most recommended GW method?

Here's the wall that will hold the combination towel bar/shelf:

Here's the shelf:

Comments (20)

  • terezosa / terriks
    11 years ago

    It's a lot easier to drill through the grout.

  • pricklypearcactus
    11 years ago

    I agree with terriks that it's generally easier to drill through the grout. I've drilled through grout to install a hand shower holder. And I've drilled directly through floor tile to install a pedestal sink. The former was much easier. Either way, I would recommend using a good quality wall anchor to hold up your shelf or make certain it's backed by a stud.

  • MongoCT
    11 years ago

    Times three.

  • treasuretheday
    11 years ago

    I would just add that you'll want to think carefully about where you decide to install your shelf because, with its projection from the wall, I'd be concerned about bumping into it.

  • albryant
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Thanks everyone. I hadn't even considered that the pedestal sink will also need to be anchored to the hex tile floor.

    The shelf doesn't really project much more than the old style ceramic towel bar that was in the old shower, believe it or not. I first saw a photo of this shelf in cassidyhome's renovation a few years back:

    The have been discontinued by American Standard and we bought it direct for $23.00! The original price was $168 or something. We actually bought two - one for over the toilet as well. Definitely the cheapest thing in the bathroom at this point :)

    Here is a link that might be useful: Cassidyhome's towel bar shelf

  • lara9143
    11 years ago

    I'm at work, but I just noticed in our restroom here hte walls are covered in subway tile and the hinges for the stall doors are screwed in through the grout. I looked around and the other fixtures on the tile are also attached at the grout lines. Not sure if that's the best way, but it's the consistent way they did it here. :)

  • bill_g_web
    11 years ago

    I have porcelain tile, which is very hard compared to ceramic and I drilled through the grout. BUT, I went through 6 bits for 6 holes, the bits were the ones with arrowhead shaped tips. The tile was much harder than the grout and what was happening is that the blades of the tip would bang against the tile and break. I was concerned that the tile would chip during this process but luckily it didn't. My grout lines were thin and I had to drill holes large enough so that I had to remove tile as well as grout; the bit was larger than the grout line. I went very slowly but still, maybe my technique was poor.

    I'm just a DIY'er so I can't offer authoritative advice; just this experience I had.

    Bill

  • otislilly.com
    11 years ago

    firstly you will most likely be drilling both wall and groutlines depending on exactly where you position them.
    every shelf like that I have put up has required 2 holes per side 1 1/2 inch apart vertically to help with the leverage issue of the weight of the shelf alone there is a hole in the center but thats not where anchors go. Thats to line you up on your crosshairs for placement. By using this single center hole for anchor you are displacing the leverage from the bottom edge to center generally 1" and cutting the weight it would take to peal it out by about half.
    the leverage should be diplaced from bottom edge of fixture to the top hole in peelout senerio at 1 3/4 inches you need to use both holes.
    drill with low speed the best, spraybottle for water optional, if you dont use water to cool tip, when it starts glowing and the weld holding the tip on the shank melts, its time for a new one LOL

  • bill_vincent
    11 years ago

    I went very slowly but still, maybe my technique was poor.

    A hammerdrill's a beautiful thing!! I don't know where I'd be without my Bosch Bulldog!

  • tim45z10
    11 years ago

    If this is truly wall tile. It is much softer than floor tile. I would buy the approptite bit. Ive used the arrowhead shaped bits many times. Masonary bits work too. I always choose the field in this situation.
    Also,HD has a bit that will drill through floor tile.

  • albryant
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    While we do have a hammer drill, the contractor or plumber are actually installing the fixtures. I was just trying to figure out the height we wanted them mounted. I wanted to make sure if we should go through grout or tile to line it up at the best height for that position.

    I thought they'd. E installed yesterday but they weren't. I'm hoping today's the day.

    Thanks for the advice!

  • pricklypearcactus
    11 years ago

    I should also say I have had minimal success using the arrowhead shaped bits. I have had great success with diamond tile core bits. And as others mentioned, you do want to keep the bit wet. I should mention that the tile I have used has all been floor tile. The slate/quartzite floor tile where I installed the pedestal sink was a lot easier than drilling holes in porcelain floor tile. I haven't ever used a hammer drill (great tip, thanks Bill!) since I accidentally burned mine out mixing thinset. Oops.

    You mentioned your pedestal sink. Perhaps you already know this, but just in case, don't forget to install a horizontal brace between the studs (2x4 or 2x6 or something) to carry the load of the sink. The pedestal itself does not carry as much weight as the bolts into the wall.

  • albryant
    Original Author
    11 years ago

    Thanks Prickleypear. Yes, they did install blocking behind the new drywall to anchor the sink. There won't be tile on the wall, just wood wainscoting, so I hadn't worried about that, but I did forget there is a place to anchor the base on the tile floor.

    I realize I've hired them to take care of all this, but I'm a control freak and just want to be educated about the proper way just in case there's a difference of opinion ;)

  • kisu
    11 years ago

    I drilled many holes through hard porcelain tile for 2 bathrooms recently - needed holes for all the copper rough-in pipes and rains and wall hung vanity, etc.. I had to drill 6- 3/4" holes, 3- 1 1/2" holes and over a dozen 1/4" and 3/8" holes.

    What I found worked fastest was Rigid Diamond bits made for drilling granite & porcelain tile. The bits are about $20-40 at HD, but they worked really well. I also kept a spray bottle of water nearby and every once and a while I would spray the spot on the tile while drilling. and I was using a regular 18v battery drill. there are probably other brands of diamond bits that will work well too. but the ones I got from HD were fine. For glass tiles though, I use the spade shaped bit.

    Also - if you don't want your bit to wander, you can use a spring punch to pop a tiny starter hole mark- make sure to back off the spring a lot for ceramic tile or else it will break the tile with the great force.

  • bill_vincent
    11 years ago

    Good point.

    So long as they stay within industry standards. many who don't-- I'd rather lose the warranty and know it's done right, than HAVE the warranty, and then the bozo not honor it, anyway, because he KNOWS that he screwed up and it's gonna cost him big.

  • ssulik2003
    6 years ago

    My home built 1963. Re-modelling bathrooms. towel racks gone, but anchors remain. Attached through the grout, not tile. Can't seem to find towel racks that fit these anchors. Any ideas ?

  • Olychick
    6 years ago

    Is the problem the width is different or the actual fitting doesn't work with new towel racks? Maybe post a pic of the fitting, it that's the problem. If it's the width, there are adjustable width towel bars available.

  • ssulik2003
    6 years ago

    Thanks for advice. The old racks are Hall - Mack, a brand no longer made. Current make towel racks brackets (which attach to the anchor and hold the bar) don't fit the Hall - Mack anchors. Have found Hall - Mack stuff on E-Bay, also a company which makes reproductions of Hall - Mack stuff, so that may be the answer.



  • Rich Johnson
    2 years ago

    I am attempting a similar project, hanging a shower caddy in ours. Our grout lines are thinner. I was told to use 3/16" Tapcon screws (smallest size they sold) by the orange big box store. Bought the appropriate Tapcon drill bit size for the screws. My worry is the grout is thinner than the screws and it will crack the glazed ceramic subway tile. Should I use smaller screws?? Would regular wood screws work once I drill into the grout? Do they make a smaller carbine/diamond drill bit than 3/16"?