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lucidmike

Moth problem..Help please.....

lucidmike
15 years ago

Allright I have had a moth problem for about 5 maybe 6 months now. The thing is it is in two areas of my apartment. One in my room the other in my living room coincedentally both are seemingly around the area of the TV. So last night I looked up the types of moths that they could be. And I saw a picture of the Indian meal moth and thought it looked massively familiar due to killing them in my living room all the time. So I found an empty jar with a lid and caught one and sure enough it is an Indian meal moth. After what I read about thee Indian meal moth it kinda made sense due to the fact that near the TV is birdseed for my bird and the birds outside. Also peanuts for squirrels.

Now the moths in my room I'm still unsure about. I tried catching one earlier but it got away and flew into an unlit area nontheless a tight squeeze. Anyways I have two Guinea Pigs in my room and noticed the moth problem when I spent some money and got them a huge bag of litter at Petco. Now I know moths are attracted to food but how can they be attracted to pieces of wood. Now the food for them is and has always been kept in a airtight container. Now my main question here is can there be two different infestations with two different types of moths or is it safe to assume that the moths in my room are Indian Meal Moths. And how do I go about getting rid of the pests. I'm at the point where I am willing to relocate my guinea pigs for a day and completely spray my room down with a few cans of Raid. Any suggestions would really be appreciated.

Comments (38)

  • lucy
    15 years ago

    I had a problem in one of our homes a few years ago. We traced it to a rolled up wool rug (in the garage!), got rid of the rug, bagged up (if only temporarily) anything at all woolen, and got rid of the problem.

  • poopsiem
    15 years ago

    If you can solve this problem, please let me know. I've been battling the same problem since March. My bedroom closet is completely infested with indian meal moths and their larva. In my case, the source seemed to be a box of chocolates that I had hidden in the closet and forgotten about. I remeoved the food source and I remove the moths and larva daily but more keep coming. I called in a profession exterminator who sprays and hangs pheremone traps but that hasn't helped either. I do know that Raid won't help. You have to find the eggs which are microscopic and remove them in order to deaccelerate the life cycle. The eggs are usually laid in cracks and crevices that you can't see or get to. Please let me know if you ever meet with success--I'm at my wits end.

  • lucidmike
    Original Author
    15 years ago

    Yeah I was told I had to find the eggs by someone else too but here is the thing. its not like these guys are growing by numbers or anything like that. I see one or two every 3 to 4 days and I have no source of food in my bedroom besides the guinea pig food which is covered air tight.I vaccumed my ceilng edge today and got I think 4 larva nests. They had webing hanging off them which kind of reminded me of a spider web but it was definetly too thich a webbing to be a spider web and since this endever I have seen yet again another two moths, one I tried having land on my hand to see what kind of moth it is which I ended up accidentally crushing and another that dissapeared. So my wonderings are is there more to this Indian meal moth than just food or does it indeed feed off of other things such as wood and or just plain cardboard. I'm at a loss and about ready to get something that will eat the moths and let that go loose.

    Also something I forgot to mention earlier, I have carpeted rugs and if these moths are reproducing as much as I have read chances are these rugs are infested with eggs to some extent right? And poopsiem like you said the eggs usually lie in crevaces and the heater in this apartment is along the baseline of the floor I'm sure you know what i mean so there are probably dozens of eggs under there too right? Is there such thing as a mthball spray? Yeah I know moth balls have been proven hazardus but you know with something like this you really cant help but to go with what works and from my memory mothballs worked.

  • poopsiem
    15 years ago

    I removed every source of food that I could find yet they keep coming. I do a thorough inspection every day but don't find any cocoons anymore. At one time they were stuck to everything in my closet but I handpicked each one and murdered it! Occasionally I find larva but the moths wait for me nightly in and around the closet. I dismantled everything in that closet, vacuumed everything--around the baseboard, in hollow pockets of the door and pole, my shoes and clothing, and all items on the shelf. The very next day, the moths were back. I can't figure out where they are during the daytime and what the food source might be as my closet is now the cleanest place in my house. I'm wondering if they can be under the carpeting in the closet. I'm thinking of ripping out the carpeting and sealing up any cracks above or below the baseboards, also putting all the contents of the closet in plastic bags to isolate the invisible eggs which are waiting to emerge. They have to be coming out from behind the walls. That's my best guess. The exterminator continues to spray but he's completely stumped. It's maddening. Any ideas?

  • lucidmike
    Original Author
    15 years ago

    Yep they are still coming... Well I figure I will just beat this all together and start looking for a new apartment. I figure its the best and easiest way to beat them. If any one has any other suggestions please let me know.

  • poopsiem
    15 years ago

    I'm going to rip apart my closet, put in a new door and pole, caulk all cracks, rip up the carpeting and put all the contents including my clothes into plastic space bags for several months. Then I'm going to periodically bomb the heck out of them every few weeks, hopefully killing the present generation and newcomers. If this doesn't work, then I'm going to drain the lines this coming winter, turn off the heat and move out for a month or so. That should freeze out the suckers. I'm desperate.

  • marge727
    15 years ago

    Mike, the moths and larvae often hatch because of the pet food. You say you keep the pet food covered. But when you feed it to the pets it isn't covered. Moving will simply move the problem. You have the kind of stuff that has larvae in it. Also any bird or guinea pig droppings attract bugs.
    we lined our closets with cedar, and that helped a lot

  • lucidmike
    Original Author
    15 years ago

    I'm working on the cedar. I hope it works. Also like I said before I have only seen one or two every few days. Now is it possible these moths are coming from the downstairs looking for food cause if they try to take the bird food they become insatant lunch for the bird.

  • poopsiem
    15 years ago

    My husband's closet is now infested. I think my house is doomed!

  • moonshadow
    15 years ago

    I can only share my experience when I used to do floral designs. These pesky little moths, in addition to liking to hitch a ride on pet foods, also tend to arrive in dried floral arrangements (including eucalyptus stems).

    I once bought a large eucalyptus supply from one of my wholesalers and a moth or two was flitting around in the box when I opened it. I immediately wrapped it shut and took it outside (wintertime) because I had learned from others in the business they are common (supplies are typically imports, who knows where they've been) and to immediately wrap the offending florals tightly in plastic (like a heavy dark garbage bag) and freeze it (outside in winter or in a freezer in other seasons). That did the trick for me. I knew other florists back then, who as a precaution would freeze inventory before they ever opened it in their their home or shop. They would seal them tightly in a plastic garbage bag (taped tight, so nothing can get out) and then freeze them.

    Aside from florals, check things like pet foods and treats and even groceries (mostly of the grain variety). I did some googling, here's a good article from OSU, they recommend the freezing method or extreme heat, and give an address for obtaining a product to help control them.

  • cheyyenne3
    15 years ago

    go to ACE HARDWARE
    buy 2 NO PEST STRIPS
    guarantee deliverance of any kind of pesty bugs, legs or wings!!..about 6-7 dollars each
    but will be your answer!!

  • poopsiem
    15 years ago

    No pest strips might work for most insects but not indian meal moths. These are probably the most insidious and stubborn of all insects. If you can't find the eggs which are microscopic, the life cycle repeats forever. There is no simple fix--the only things that might work are draining the lines to your house in dead winter and letting the eggs and larvae freeze or fumigating on a continual basis until you've disrupted the entire life cycle. Being infested with these moths is a serious problem as finding the source is like finding a needle in a haystack. You have to live it to understand it.

  • lucidmike
    Original Author
    15 years ago

    Yeah I think I'm going to put the guinea pigs and the bird (going to be very interesting) in the bathroom with my plug in heater and turn off the heat and on the AC at full blast maybe January or late December and kill these moths and well whatever else may be in here. Still going to try other things in the mean time though.

  • moonshadow
    15 years ago

    umm, it's the pet food or wood shavings you would freeze if you've seen the moths around it.

  • mazer415
    15 years ago

    Your moth problem is coming directly from your pet food. Store pet food in sealed cannisters. Check the bags you buy before you bring them inside. Empty the contents into the cannister outside so any hatched moths will fly away. Place bird seed in the freezer for a couple of hours to kill the larva. Go to the hardware store and get some strip sticks fly paper - to kill the moths you have flying around. You may also want to go get some cedar shingles in order to retard the moths you have from laying eggs anywhere.

  • rick02809
    15 years ago

    you said birdseed... Place the birdseed and guinea pigfood in the freezer, and keep it there, the seed will stay fresh, and the moth eggs will die. Just purchase smaller amounts and freeze it, and in time your moth problem will subside.

  • lucidmike
    Original Author
    15 years ago

    Ok I have frozen the animal food and the problem susided for a few weeksbutnow it seems worse than ever. In fact they fly around and land on my tv at night whilst I am trying to watch it. I have tried vaccuuming the entire rug but it seems everything IK try to do they just double in mass. Every 1 that I find and kill I get two or more harassing me later on in the day.

  • lucy
    15 years ago

    For heaven's sake, just get in an extermination company and be done with it. We had a similar problem, and while I thought it was related to e.g. birdseed, clothes, etc., it turned out to be an old 100% wool rug that was rolled up in the attached garage (and forgotten about) and harboring a huge colony of moths. Once we got rid of that, we still had problems, but eventually they were able to be dealt with. But if you don't know the source of your moths, let the pros take care of it once and for all.

  • Tisch
    9 years ago

    For the last few weeks I've had these Meal Moths hanging on my ceiling which is strange since I do not keep meal, flour etc. in my house. I finally discovered their "nesting" places. They are all in the soil of my house plants. A few weeks back I started putting coffee grounds in my house plants. Unfortunately Meal Moths have found this to be a wonderful incubation medium. I have now taken all the plants outside. I'll keep you updated on whether it solves my moth problem.

  • cacocobird
    9 years ago

    I have a parrot, and the moths came in with the bird food. I have traps for pantry moths all over the house, and they get full, but still they don't go away. I now keep all my birdfood in the freezer.

    I guess I need more traps.

  • Tisch
    9 years ago

    After taking houseplants outside a week ago I have been vigilant to kill all the adult moths I could find each morning. For they last two mornings I have not found any moths. I just hope all the remaining eggs and larvae in the soil of the plants are gone by fall when I have to bring the plants back inside.

  • mag32gie
    9 years ago

    For some reason my post from yesterday didn't show up.

    Tisch?

    How is your moth situation now that your plants are outside? I think they might be in mine too and am wondering if there is a poison we can put in the soil to kill them?
    It seems every product says for outside plants.

  • Tisch
    9 years ago

    Mag43gie,

    While they were outside I didn't have a single moth. I have been bringing my plants back in one at a time. Occasionally I will have a moth or two, but I'm vigilant about killing them. Then when it seems there are no more, I bring another in and do the same. I was gone for a week and when I came back there were no moths, so I am bringing another plant in tomorrow. I did find larvae in some of the plants and tried to dig out as many as I could find. Of course, the eggs are microscopic and can not be seen.

    I do not know of any poison that can be sprayed in the house, but perhaps it would be ok if you sprayed the soil while they are outside and left them out for a week or so, or at least until the spray is dry, it should be ok. Anything with permethrin should do the trick. I also read that a half inch of sand spread on top of the soil would help. I haven't tried this.

    Tisch.

  • asleep_in_the_garden
    9 years ago

    Steam.

  • mag32gie
    9 years ago

    Haven't done this yet but planning to put garlic cloves in the soil, Farmers Almanac recommended for pest larva in soil. I will put the sand on top.
    They seem to be in their "hiding" mode for the winter but this happens to me every year and they always return around august.
    The very strange thing about this is mine are not in the pantry!

  • Alyza Barbieri
    7 years ago

    These dang moths are EVERYWHERE in my bedroom! I don't keep food in my room or anything, so I don't understand why they are in here? I have lots of books. Could that be the issue? I am a huge "girl" and am terrified of bugs, especially flying bugs, so this is an honest nightmare. I just want these pests to be gone! Either these Indian meal moths leave or I leave because I am not sticking around to sit in fear of them landing or falling on me at night.

  • Yvette
    7 years ago
    last modified: 7 years ago

    I just found an Indian moth larvae in its silk in my bedroom! I had no idea what it was do I googled it and a picture came up. I have no moths in my flat anywhere so I don't understand where this has come from? I am disabled and suffer from chronic pain so I am awake the majority of the night so I'd see them flying around? I do have a turtle in a tank with water plus a hedgehog in a vivarium? Both of their foods are sealed until in their bowls?

    Can anyone help? Any advice where this one larvae could have come from??

    Thanks :)

  • ash_cass123
    6 years ago

    Does anyone know what kind of moth this is? I recently moved apartment and I found around 12 of them in total under the last month, mostly I find them on my bedroom ceiling or in the bathroom, I checked all my closets and I have no damage to clothes and I've cleaned my apartment 100 times, and still I find a few of them a week, it's driving me crazy I'm scared to stay here.

  • Diane Kosanke
    5 years ago

    I don’t have this infestation in my house, but I have some advice to those with house plants that want to treat the soil. One part peroxide and four parts water should do the trick. This will not harm your plants. This is also helpful for fungus knats that come in from outside during the summer months. Let the soil dry out between watering and repeat the treatment again. Keep your plants free of dead leaves.

  • Amanda Heath
    5 years ago

    The peroxide has to be of a certain strength to kill off these pests. I don't know if it will kill Indian Meal Moths, but it's worth a try! I think ours either come from the Cockatiel bird seed, or our plants. I am going to look up the concentration again, and will post it here, and plan on trying it too. They remind me of maggots when in the pupa stage, and I'm freaked out when looking at anything in my house! I'm not looking for them at any stage, except in moth form... they don't completely freak me out in that stage. I've found them in my books, decorative tissue paper for crafts, on clothing. I'm not very squeamish about most things. Spiders, bees, wasps don't bother me, but bug eggs and the mini worms they become (because let's be honest, they look like little pale worms, or maggots) lol, flipping terrify me!

  • Amanda Heath
    5 years ago
    last modified: 5 years ago

    Okay, it has to be 3% peroxide, if it's a higher percentage, it can burn the plant. Which you can dilute with equal amounts of water. Dip roots in solution. Then spray, etc. It's easy to find online. It doesn't kill insect any eggs though. I love the suggestion, @Diane Kosanke, and want to try it for the other stages the moths go through by treating the soil. I had to treat my plant soil previously because of fungal growth, and was considering the peroxide method after I saw it mentioned here that plants may be affected by the moths. I am going to research more, and will likely try this method for moths possibly laying eggs in them. Thanks!

  • kbonette
    4 years ago

    We bought a house in NC and had a moth problem. When we took out the old kitchen cabinets we were shocked at the moth nests between the back of the cabinets and the wall. We got that mess cleaned up.

  • Elaine Torres
    4 years ago

    I live in a 1 bed.apt.About 2 months ago the man downstairs died and was decomposing in his apt. for 3 weeks.About a week ago AN EXPLOSION of at least 3 kinds of moth larvae..black fuzzy ones..white stripey ones..and sticks..and the creepiest orange stick things that totally freaked me out.Any connection?Have the aliens landed?Where do i buy a hazmat suit?i am totally freaking out.I even found them in the dishwasher.i have no food in here.

  • Elaine Torres
    4 years ago

    I am so freaked out by moth larvae.I am really not acting normal.i just put my shoes outside on the patio and covered them with oxy clean.My neighbors are starting to wonder.And to think i used to go camping.Outside.On the ground.

  • Elaine Torres
    4 years ago

    Does anyone know what orange stick like weird larvae are?Found two on my shoe doing some weird dance.i totally freaked flipped out.i would rather swim with sharks or have a tarantula crawl all over my naked body.Help!

  • Evelyn Gorfram
    4 years ago

    Okay, no swimming with sharks. (But, hey, whatever you and the tarantula have going on, well, that's not really any of my business. ;)


    More seriously, I've got good news and bad news (but both are kind of gross news). The good news is that the worst is probably over. The bugs that came to visit your late neighbor probably laid eggs and then died off shortly after your neighbor left the building for the last time. The eggs probably took a couple weeks to start hatching, and that's why you're seeing them now. Pretty soon, they're going to figure out that they're not going to get the same deal their predecessors did, and head off to greener pastures.


    The bad news is that if you do have anything at all for them to eat, some of them will stick around. And in order to figure out what they eat, you'll have to figure out what they are. A google image search will probably do the trick, but not without your having to look at a lot of pictures of a lot of bugs.


    In the meantime, you might try diatomaceous earth. It kills just about every bug I've ever heard of, and it's remarkably safe for humans. You should avoid breathing it in any quantity, but you could eat it without ill effects. In fact, the best place to get it is from pet shops or feed store that sell it for deworming animals. (There's a cheaper, lower-grade form that is sold as a swimming pool supply, but that's not the kind you want.) It's a fine powder made up of little microscopic fossilized shellfish: the sharp edges of the shells are to fine to bother humans & non-insect-sized animals, but are just the right size to do the insects in.


    Good luck! Let me know how it goes.


  • lindask2796
    4 years ago

    My moth problem is in my hallway and spare bedroom that enters of the hallway. I have a very small house 900 sq feet. I cannot done the sourse. I put my birdseed in the freezer right after I get home from the bird store. The only thing that makes sense is I had my house plant outside and when I brought it back in the house I put it in the hallway by the window. This is also where my bird it located. They are on the ceiling in the morning when I get up and in my spare bedroom. I now keep the spare bedroom door closed and they seem to be getting g less in there and I put my plant outside and used the peroxide and water in the soil. I am praying that I will have either no moths or just a couple. I usually have about 10 or so every morning When I get up for work. Nothing on my bathroom kitchen or master bedroom. Just hallway and spare bedroom. I’ll keep you posted on how this goes for me me. Please keep posting ideas of infestation and remedies as you find what is working. Here’s to a moth free home soon.

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