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| We purchased a Miele G4205SC from State Street Discount in Portsmouth, NH for $1000
This is a black Classic Futura with cutlery tray. It is hooked up to a cold water supply. The water is soft and acid. State Street Discount was processional, their hours of business were very convenient (open late, open 7 days a week), flexible (I picked up the DW in my truck, they loaded it). They had never ordered a black one before and although the right one arrived there was some confusion when I called them but it did arrive promptly. Later that day the sales person called me and told me. Packing: If you are into green the packaging was amazing.
Installation: Make sure you measure accurately and use a flashlight. I missed a structural member in the top of the rear which made things touch and go. The instructions call out the attaching points on the sides. The ones on the right can't be used because we have an adjacent rotary cabinet so I just put them up top (but this isn't documented). The pictorial instructions require you to use you imagination. After I found the instructions for leveling the dishwasher I asked my wife to find them. It took me quite a while, it took her a while. tools: you need a torx 15 screwdriver. do not even think about using a cordless drill. leveling: the rear is adjusted by using a torx 15 bit.
The door latch: the latch does not appear to have any adjustments, if you screw the top of the dishwasher into cabinetry it displaces the latch slightly (the tub is bending) and it tends to jam.
Loading the dishwasher, all the dishes that didn't at the appliance store now fit. Let me say it again, we tested loading the dishwasher several times on several models, and even the previous model year.
We are now finding it easy to get the bowls to fit, the pie plates don't need to fit perfectly as we only have 2 left and they are now used for pies anyway. In the lowest rack first slot of rear plate areas is missing a post so if you use that the bowls they like to fall over.
Similarly the fold down cup platforms on the center rack do in fact accept mugs with handles and although they seem tentative, it seems to work fine. Hint, slide the cups until they find a centering point on the vertical members of the rack, it's not much but it doesn't need much. First loads: I used a cascade jell without water softener.
The smell: the dishwasher has a sump, it pickes up smells and I think it picked up the smoky smells of some kippered herring cans washed in it.
Detergent: I was getting tired of opening the Cascade jells to get some detergent and then having to dispose of the rest of the jell, so I purchased some Miele detergent off of amazon.
Cleaning the strainer, there was nothing in it !!!
Water temperature: we are running on cold water.
The drain line: it's 7/8.
We are a home of 2 (and a miniature poodle) and our dishes are pretty clean to begin with. Usually. Failures: the first load a tiny bit of vegetable fiber was on two utensils. I took it off. Hasn't happened again. A corelle pie plate had a little bit of crust left on it. The $10 Walmart slow cooker ceramic pot cleaned up except for a couple of spots which needed a scrubby pad to clean up. The door is slightly harder to close than it was before installed it. It might be thought that any variance from perfection is a source concern. It isn't. We would buy this dishwasher again in a heart beat. We thought about getting the more expensive models and we had a really good price on the previous model year's top of the line but we wanted a black one and I didn't want a whole bunch of useless complications. When I discovered we really had soft water I didn't even want the water softener. Larry |
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| oops: Dishwasher not dieshwasher. oh well. |
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| Oops: It's a torx 20 and by the way, make sure you are turning the correct 1. rear leveling. |
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| On my Miele, and the ones in both showrooms, they are mounted using 4 side torx screws (2 on each side) to the sides of the cabinet. It sounds like you are also using the top most screws as well, which connect under the top counter? |
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| yes, fauguy: there was nothing on the right side to screw to since the right side is a rotary shelf unit. |
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| I'm still very happy with this dishwasher. |
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| i love mine too. can't believe there are models that are quieter! i can't hear this one at all |
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- Posted by SparklingWater (My Page) on Sun, Sep 30, 12 at 20:27
| Thanks for your great detailed post lawlopez and happy that you and camii41 are enjoying your Miele DW. I've been watching DW installation video's on you tube of late as my KA DW is getting on in years and function. Found one by Miele on their G5000 North American model. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Miele install video
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- Posted by unixisgoodforyou (My Page) on Thu, Oct 4, 12 at 2:31
| I can't believe how easy it was to adjust the back feet of the dishwasher. Use a Torx screwdriver and turn something on the bottom front of the dishwasher and it will raise or lower the back feet. I'm impressed. How do other manufacturers do it? Do you have to pull the dishwasher out, change the height and then push it back in, ad infinitum / ad nauseum? |
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- Posted by Jumpilotmdm (My Page) on Tue, Dec 4, 12 at 20:50
| Call Bosch. They might listen. |
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| Every once in a while I'd open the dishwasher and see suds down on the bottom. I figured that I had been using to much detergent. Wrong !!! The wetting agent also foams !!! It's not that it has too much detergent it is that the wetting agent foams. |
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| We have a Miele and never noticed any smells even after cleaning fish dinners. Is it rinsing completely? We switched from Cascade to Miele detergent and have been very happy and very clean dishes. The rep gave us some samples and we were impressed that it could clean even better than before! |
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| Great to read this thread. I just got the same dishwasher last week-- and after one poorly loaded load (our fault), the second wash was much better. But I have a question for this group. I have read (and reread) the manual, but I cannot figure it out. I came into the kitchen today and saw the Start/Stop light slowly blinking. The manual says it's on Standby, which occurs at the end of a program. I open the dishwasher; everything is clean and dry, so I think it's the end of the normal program. But then I read some more-- and the next part of the manual says that the End light comes on at then end of the program. Which is it? Standby means the end? The End means the end? I'm guessing (only guessing here) that the End light comes on first-- for a time-- then switches over to Standby, to remind you the power is technically still on. Is that right? I appreciate any insight here! |
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- Posted by aamassther (My Page) on Sat, May 4, 13 at 22:24
| Saragassoc, while I own a LaPerla II, I believe you are correct. My display says the cycle has ended and after 5 min or so the display turns off until I open the dishwasher. There's a light that flashes slowly until I turn the dishwasher off. I need to turn my dishwasher off after every cycle. |
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