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To Advantium or not to Advantium.....

Posted by deb492 (My Page) on
Thu, Apr 13, 06 at 0:40

That is the question!
I basically enjoy cooking when I am not under too much time pressure. In the past I have used the microwave for heating up things and defrosting, not really cooking much more than frozen vegetables, or certain vegetables. I becamed very interested in the Advantium after looking at some ads, and then reading many posts on this site.

Here's the problem in a nutshell...We are remodeling my tiny kitchen and I have just decided to get a Dacor Millennia range with convection. Over the range I would like to get an Advantium, however, my husband thinks we should just get a regular microwave. His reasoning is, if we are getting a top quality range, why would I need to use the Advantium? Or, if I would use the Advantium, why would I need to get this beautiful and expensive range? So, I need some suggestions:is the Advantium overkill, or am I overstimating the amount of things I would actually make in it versus the Dacor? Help!


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RE: To Advantium or not to Advantium.....

Hi Deb. I can't answer the question, as I am looking at basically the same problem... but.... Many people in the forum have discussed the Advantium- but fail to tell us which Advantium they have. There are 4 of them. 2 120 volt and 2 240's. Unfortunately- GE have given both of the 120's similar model numbers. The new Advantium oven is Model: SCB1001, and the 120 Advantium smaller "microwave" is Model: SCA1001. The larger one seems to do much more than a microwave, but still microwaves.

So... now I am confused also. Many people have discussed their 120's- using them in a thermal mode- but do they have the larger size advantium or the smaller one? The larger one lists for $1499, and the smaller one $809. I have listed the URL on the GE page.

Perhaps someone really in the know can help us here.

Thanks

Here is a link that might be useful: advantium - GE


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We have the wall oven version 220V and had a 220V OTR version before that in our old kitchen. Will not have a kitchen without this appliance again. It is the most used appliance in the kitchen except the fridge.

If you are doing new construction and the venting and electrical requirements for a 220V version are not a problem, the use the 220, the 120 version is for locations where the 240V circuit is a problem. There is a huge difference in capability between the two versions.


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As I understand it, only the 120V model can bake thermally. It is also the only one that can fit a 9 x 13 pan inside (I don't have the exact dimentions of the cavity but I know it fits).

The 240V can NOT bake thermally and has a smaller interior than the 120V which won't fit a 9 x 13 pan, but speed cooks twice as fast.

I'm not too hung up on the speed differences. Does it really matter if the kids chicken nuggets are ready in 2 1/2 minutes (240V) or 5 minutes (120V). I'm just not in THAT much of a hurry!

As to large or small, I can't adress that. All of my research has been about the built-in 120V oven (SCB 1001), not the OTR model. I don't know if the OTR has the same benefits.

The Advantium webpage at the GE site is really helpful. I loved the 16-minute video with Alton Brown (one of my favorites!) explaining how Trivection and Advantium work. Very entertaining, and makes the whole concept so easy to understand. I've included a link to the Advantium features page, click on the lower right pic of Alton Brown to watch the video. Check out the other stuff there as well, it's very informative.

Nicole

Here is a link that might be useful: Advantium video


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Hi Nigel

I have read the differences, here in the forum about the baking- between the 240 and 120 also. BUT- once again- you do not differentiate between the 2 models of each 240 and 120. The smaller "microwave" and the larger wall over- though both 120's do completely different things. Are you saying that BOTH of the 120's do a thermal bake, or just the larger wall oven advantium?

thanks


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As I said, all I know about is the SCB 1001, which is the built-in wall oven with 120V. It appears that the smaller unit is an OTR model.

On the GE Advantium page there are only two 120V models shown - the built-in and the OTR. Are there others?

Nicole

Here is a link that might be useful: Advantium models


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The other model difference is the choice of GE Profile or Monogram, in addition to the voltage & wall vs. OTR. Monogram has its own website.


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I'm not too hung up on the speed differences. Does it really matter if the kids chicken nuggets are ready in 2 1/2 minutes (240V) or 5 minutes (120V). I'm just not in THAT much of a hurry!

Correct me if I'm wrong. I don't have one but I remember reading here that the "speed" isn't the ability to cook chicken nuggets faster (they cook fast enough in a toaster oven), it's the ability to take a frozen chicken and have it on the table in 40 minutes (or something like that). Was that not the Advantium?


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Supposedly, the advantium has a great "speed cook" microwave, in addition to the a regular small oven. (120v models only.) It seems kind of silly to buy and Advantium, if you just want to heat up chicken nuggets, or use it strictly in the microwave sense. Any microwave can do that. I am interested in the Advantium for it's microwave feature, and as a second oven- albeit a small oven, which can also use convenction and thermal heat.


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The benefit of speed cooking is that it gives you oven-quality results in a fraction of the time. A casserole that would bake in a thermal oven for an hour would take about 15 minutes (120V) or even 8 minutes (240V)! At least, that is how it is explained in general terms.

It is not just a "souped-up" microwave, it can brown whereas a microwave really can't do that. Roast a chicken on speed-cook, and not only is it done much faster than a traditional microwave, but it is nicely browned, too. While the microwaves are cooking the interior of the food, the convection oven part is browning the outside of the food. Plus, you can bake breads, pizzas, cookies and pies (I don't know about cakes) on speed cook. Don't try that with your regular microwave.

Go watch that video! It explains it all very clearly.

Nicole


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I've got a related question - I currently have a combo microwave/convection oven. In 19 years, I have never once used it in "combination cook" mode. Is that what I would have gotten - cooked faster on the inside, and nicely browned on the outside?


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Hi Nicole

Oh.. I did watch the video. That is what attracted me to the advantium. I just don't know which one to buy- the smaller over the counter one, or the wall oven one. We are in the process of renovating our apartment kitchen, and space is at a premium... so....


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Do you still use your regular oven if you have an Advantium? I am getting a good freestanding convection range and will need to install an over the range microwave. I just don't have the space for wall ovens.

Is the difference between a regular microwave and an Advantium worth $1400? I am drawn to the speed cook technology, although I have never used it, however, my husband wants to know whether we should then invest in a top quality convection range/oven, if we get an Advantium.


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I hope it's worth it--we're getting an Advantium! It's dual mode: you choose microwave or speed cooker mode when you use it.

Your post says you will be getting a good freestanding convection range, & then you ask about investing in a top quality convection range/oven. I'm sorry but I don't understand your question.


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gizmonike:
Thanks for your question. I need to get new appliances. I was all set on getting the GE trivection plus the Advantium. Then I decided on a Dacor convection range. I need a microwave and a free standing range. I want good quality for a reasonable price. My husband wants to know why I need a speed cook oven, if I purchase the Dacor convection. If I just got a cook top and the Advantium it doesn't look like I would be able to ever cook a turkey, which I like to do occasionally. On the other hand, it looks like the Advantium has some whiz bang technology and it appears that many people use it more than their regular ovens.

So, ultimately, my question is: Should I get a basic, less expensive stove with an Advantium, or the Dacor with a more conventional microwave (OTR)? Either way, I know I want a convection in a basic oven.


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OK, let's see if I understand your dilemma:

You want a range with an oven, but the quality/price of the range will be determined by whether you choose the speed cooker or the microwave?

I don't think you should consider a rangetop (no conventional oven) and just a speed cooker like the Advantium; most people need a full size oven, just maybe not as often with the Advantium (which is also a microwave). The speed cooker can cook some of the same things as a convection oven, but the units are not interchangeable.

What has you sold on the Dacor range? You need to decide how important those features are in your kitchen & home.

If the Dacor range is dual fuel, and you are not adamant about having an oven below your burners, then I personally would pick a rangetop plus the Advantium & Trivection ovens instead, which would give you a full size convection oven plus speed options. The Monogram rangetop is my personal rangetop favorite for power, features, & looks, and it coordinates perfectly with the Monogram Advantium & Trivection ovens.


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gizmonike: Thanks for your response. I know that I want a good convection range. I have spent some time reviewing comments on a number of products, but I am still flexible.
I can't have dual fuel in my condo; appliances must be electric. My kitchen is so small that I can't give up wall space for a double oven combination so I must have either a freestanding or drop in range with an over the range microwave or speedcooker.

I originally wanted a trivection,however, I could never see one in person. I am a hands on kind of gal, and I like to kick the tires, so to speak, even if I will order a new appliance. I have heard some comments that leftovers are terrible from a trivection. So, that turned me off. I looked at the Dacor Millenia( electric), and haven't heard any horror stories. The convection is supposed to be quite good.

I am having a hard time justifying an expensive range plus an expensive microwave to my husband, even though secretly it is what I want...I suspect that I will end up with either a less expensive range and an Advantium, or a more expensive range and a basic microwave.


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If you were originally going to get GE, why no go with the GE Profile with just convection - not Trivection - and top it with the Advantium? It sounds like you are ready to drop the Trivection anyway. I'm assuming you were satisfied with the quality a GE range offered, and the savings of buying the GE instead of the Millenia would offset the expense of the Advantium.

Another option would be to go with a Frigidaire Professional range. This does not have "true convection", rather a third "assist" heating element, but it has gotten great reviews here on these boards and at epinions. Plus, it's even less $$ than the GE Profile! Then you could top that with the Kitchen Aid Ultima speed oven - the styling is pretty compatible.

Nicole


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2 years later and I still love my Advantium. Especially with teenagers. All kinds of frozen food comes out perfectly. And when their friends show up, the brownies are done in 8 minutes. Frozen bisquits are incredible. Salmon steaks come out perfectly. I got rid of double ovens and replaced with a Thermidor convection and Advantium. You can even use it to bake the cresent rolls for Christmas dinner (the only time I needed both ovens anyway!)


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I do not understand the comment on leftovers from a Trivection. While not used as often as our Advantium, for larger quantities that a full size oven is useful for, the trivection adds a speed element that a convection oven cannot. Its ability to convert traditional oven settings to trivection settings is uncannily good. Food turns out perfect as if cooked in a traditional oven only MUCH faster.

There is a lot of overlap in capabilities between the Advantium and Trivection, but they also complement each other very well too. Smaller items and true microwave tasks to the Advantium, larger items and traditional baking to the Triveciton. neither has any effect on leftovers unless you figure there are less of them due to better quality food.

The trivection is not a microwave oven. The advantium is.


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Deb492- I too have been doing much research since I last posted. Since I am in a condo type of apartment too, we are in the same bind- having limitations. I can use gas however. I still would make sure that you know the electricity capacity in your unit. (That is what we are waiting on now for ours.)

In regard to your situation- why not get the top rated convection electric range- CR gives that to Jennair, Kenmore elite, or GE Profile, and top it off with the Advantium SCA1001- the over the range 120 version. This Advantium doesn't cost much more than a standard good microwave- about $650. You will have the best situation, and it won't cost huge amounts of money.


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I'm still trying to figure out why get an oven at all if you get an Advantium?? Will someone please tell me... ??


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Well, size for one. The Advantium can only handle a single 9 x 13 pan (and that's the 120 model - the 240 won't fit a pan that big). You can't roast a turkey in an Advantium! I hear the Advantium does cookies nicely, but if you are doing a whole batch and want to have three cookie sheets in at once, you need your conventional convection oven.

Also, as I understand it, there are a few things the Advantium doesn't do well - baking cakes and souffle's, and braising.

I'm not looking at the Advantium as my main oven - it will be the "bonus" oven. Although, from many opinions here, it turns into the primary oven, and the range (or conventional wall oven) is used for the big jobs.

Nicole


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Thanks for everybody's posts;they have been very helpful. Talk to me about the GE trivection. I have heard various comments from different salespeople about them. One told me that the leftovers were dried out and not good. Another person hinted that GE was not going to continue the line because not many were sold. I still have not seen one, other than in a book or on the website.

I am sure that I would need to increase my amps regardless of what oven I choose, at this point.

I may reconsider a trivection if I hear some more great things about one. It was troubling to see some posts that indicate very poor customer service from GE. I previously owned a Jennair downdraft grill range with convection oven. I don't think it was installed properly, and it didn't function as well as the old one I had at another former residence.


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deb492,

That is another comment about leftovers and the Trivection. What has the trivection to do with leftovers? the two have NOTHING to do with each other. The triveciton is NOT a microwave and is NOT used to reheat leftovers. It could reheat large quantities like a convection oven but would be much faster. Still, the advantium or a conventional microwave would be a much more efficient choice for most leftovers.

Even if you did use the Trivection for reheating, it would actually be BETTER in moisture content than a convection oven due to the shorter cooking cycles.

I have been VERY pleased with the Trivection as both a large capacity speed cooker for items like the Thanksgiving turkey (26lbs in 2.5hours! and PERFECT) and its convection oven capabilities. 4 dozen texas size muffins at once and every one was perfectly evenly browned top and bottom. not a single hot or cold spot in the oven, even when that full. Its construction quality and proximity sensor control pad is very top notch.

'Sales Folks' said the Advantium was to be discontinued in 1999 too. GE is well aware that it takes time and marketing dollars to bring new technology to market. The trivection oven is promenently featured along with other Monogram appliances on the new Celebrity Cooking Challenge show on NBC this week.


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During the last few months, we have been doing our research for our renovation. We have gone from appliance store to appliance store. We too are interested in Advantium and Trivection- though I think we will only wind up with an Advantium as a second oven/microwave.

One of the sales managers of a huge appliance chain here in NY told me- they have not sold one Trivection in his chain here on the east coast. He said it was a much better seller in the midwest and in the west. Odd?

If I was a betting person- I would bet on the advantium, and maybe not on the trivection- though it looks like an awesome product.


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I also have an advantium & trivection, I will agree with everyone great comments. jcthorne sold me on the appliances, when I had questions. do a search and you go and find all sorts of previous questions. I don't regret the decision one bit. The ovens are exceptional!!!! My ovens have been installed since Nov 05 and get a good work out.


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Abiroo, which advantium do you have, the 120 or 240v? I am looking at the 240v profile advantium built in. But it seems that the 240v advantiums offer less features then the 120v. For example, thermal bake and food warmer.

thanks
shawn


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Hello I've been following the discussions on Advantium for a while and am ready to purchase. I thought I'd read on an earlier thread that a new 240v model was expected this year...with space similar to the 120v and the thermal bake mode. Does anyone recall this or have any updated information?
Also, txcook: Which Advantium do you have? 120 or 240v?

thanks for all the advice and support you have all provided to those of us who often lurk without posting...you've been a godsend!!
Thanks,
Linnea


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4 Different GE Advantiums, not 2!

Hi Folks.

Once again, I will post in this forum the fact that GE has totally different Advantium ovens this year. There are 2 different 240V Advantiums and 2 different 120V Advantiums. One of each is above the range types, and 1 of each are mounted like a wall oven. Each of the 4 perform DIFFERENTLY. The smaller above the range ovens resemble microwave size. Needless to say, the capacity is smaller, and some of the features are disabled.

They all have speedcook.. but as far as I can tell, and I called GE twice on this, and spoke to 2 different tech people- the 240's DO NOT perform like a regular oven- no thermal or convection. The 240 Wall oven is SCB2001. the 240 above the range is SCA2001. The 120 wall oven is SCB1001, and the 120 above the range is SCA1001. If you are looking for a second oven- the 120 series make more sense. Even the woman at GE agreed.

I believe these are in the GE Profile series now, and the ones labeled Monogram are probably the older models.

Please look at the URL below for the new GE Page which shows the features of the 4 models.

I hope this clarifies things

Here is a link that might be useful: GE Page for 4 advantium ovens


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Hey Very,

Thanks for a potentially really valuable input!

We had settled on the 120v B version for its functionality and picked the Monogram style to match its future stablemates already in place in our new home.

So how can we tell if the current Monogram is older technology (or different functionality) compared with the current Profile?

Also, what is the difference between the newer and older Profile 120v B ovens?

Thank you!!


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Offsite- I don't really know about the older units- though I have seen some of them in appliance stores as of late. All I do know is what I had posted, with the URL. Those 4 are the latest GE appliances, and they are in the Profile line. The GE website has some neat features about the Advantium and Trivection line- along with a video with Alton Brown. It was entertaining.

Hopefully, with each new version of an appliance, GE has made positive modifications. I still had to call their tech support twice however to ask the questions. The first time I called, I knew I had someone that didn't know a thing about the lines, and kept babbling, and putting me on hold for 42 minutes. I then knew better, and called back.

I would just make sure that whoever gives you advise tells you which model they own, or know about. Right now, we don't know which version we are going to buy- it all depends on my electrician's report.

I hope this helps


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Shawn, I have the 220/240 built in advantium. my model is ZSC2001Fss01 Monogram series. We were told the only difference in ge/monogram is cosmetic. We like the towel bar handles. love, love. love my ovens.


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abiroo, I think that you've just costed me something like 7,000$CDN. These monogram trivection and advantiums are suuuper expensive here in Canada and we can only get the monograms. Oh well, you only live once, I like to cook and my family enjoys my food...


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verysleepy
Thanks so much for your posting. At the store we had seen a GE Profile Advantium 120 Wall Oven (SCB1001) paired with a JT930 Trivection single wall oven. Our salesperson said everyone who had purchased the Advantium loved it. She also said she had not sold a single Trivection in the past three years. Having heard that we were planing to get the GE Profile 30" single convection oven (JT915) and pair it with the GE Profile Advantium 240 wall oven (SCB2001) to get the 8X speed cooking.

Your posting prompted me to review the Advantiums in our copy of GE's Contract Sales January 2006 catalog. At the bottom of page 122 was the note "Bold = feature upgrade from previous model". That was a real eye-opener! The 240 model had 1 upgrade (Grill Tray) while the 120 model (SCB1001) had 6 including warming/proofing, 16" turntable and glass touch controls and it provided convection as well. Looks like GE has really improved the 120 version while the 240 is older technology even though twice as fast. Now were planning to pair the JT915 with the SCB1001 giving us 2 convection ovens, 4X speed cooking and microwaving.

Out of curiosity, can the Advantium 120 also replace our toaster oven?


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I was thinking like you, willy. We are replacing a GE micro/oven combo & I wanted 2 ovens but space is tight. I am thinking of going with the SCB1001 & a 27 inch single convection oven. My biggest complaint is why all the new appliances are so much larger than the old ones on the outside. Makes fitting them in existing spaces a real chore.


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Hi Wild Willy

I don't understand GE either. Why bother having the 240 volt model, if it doesn't do thermal/convection? The woman that answered my questions at GE couldn't understand it either. I had told her I wanted a second oven, and she said the 120, though not as powerful did it all.

Another in the forum though- jcthorne seems to love his 240. Unless the website is incorrect, and the tech support is incorrect... I don't see the value in the 240, aside from the speed.

Willy and la planter- you might want to go to the GE website and watch the Alton Brown video on the Advantium and Trivection ovens. It was very entertaining, and informative. I will post it below.

Here is a link that might be useful: alton brown video


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Hi Verysleepy,

I viewed the Alton Brown video for which you and nigel-bigel had helpfully provided links. He's entertaining and certainly promotes the Trivection but that's his job. I did a head-to-head comparison of our current choice, the GE Profile 30" Built-In Single Convection Wall Oven (JT915BFBB since my wife prefers the black-on-black finish), with the 30" Built-In Single Wall Oven with Trivection Technology (JT930BHBB). The only significant difference was the Trivection technology which basically means being able to cook things at least twice as fast. Roasting a turkey in 2 hours instead of 4 has its appeal even though we only do so a few times per year.

So the question becomes: do we take the $700 we "saved" by switching from the Advantium 240 to the Advantium 120 and use it to upgrade from convection to Trivection? Also, do these wall ovens require outside venting for broiling, etc.?

For a couple of empty nesters we're creating one heck of a kitchen. But while the nest was full we couldn't afford it! A bit of encouragement to those of you who are still raising kids: there IS money after college....


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Hi again Wild Willy.

We are in the same situation as you.... just the 2 of us. My kitchen is tiny though, and space is at a premium. Before the renovation we are awaiting the Electrician who has to tell us if our apartment can be upgraded- to a great degree. Right now we only have a 60 or 80 amp box. Hopefully we will install a Dacor gas cooktop, a Thermador convection wall oven, and a wall Advantium 120 above the Thermador. If the electrician has bad news, we will put the "above the range" Advantium 120 above a gas range of some sort.

In regard to ventilation, go to the search here, as it was just discussed by other posters. But... if you are using it above your wall oven... do you vent your wall oven? If the answer is no... it probably should hold true of putting in an advantium above it.


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If you only have a singe oven, I would definitely get the convection feature of the 120V Advantium. If you have a second conventional oven (especially if it is a convection), unless you convection-bake a lot, I wouldn't weigh the convection feature of the Advantium very much, since you will probably be speed-cooking 99% of the time. We have the 240V Advantium and the Trivection, and practically never use the Trivection, but it's there for those occasional times when I do want to convection cook. The 240V Advantium is designed for speed, and convection isn't really that much faster than conventional cooking. But, if all you have room for is one oven, and the 120V Advantium fits your needs, you definitely should not be disappointed.

We got ours from Gochnauers.com, best price I could find at the time.


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The reason the 240 Advantium does not have convection cooking is that any food that will fit in the oven and would normally be cooked in a convection oven is done better and faster using its speed cook technology. Slowing it down to convection speed would be a waste of time and electricity. There is simply no need for thermal baking in the 240V advantium. This is not true for the 120V version as it does not have the power to accomplish much of what the 240V can. The 120version cannot use the halogen lamps at the same time as the micro, they must cycle between them do to power limitations. the 240 is not just faster, but much more capable and more than 4X more powerful, not 2X.


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I wish GE would bring out a 240V Advantium with the deeper oven depth and 27'' width (16'' turntable) - it seems like the logical next upgrade for the 240V product. Does anyone know what their product cycles are, or when the new 120V version came out? We're building a whole house so we have time before we get to the kitchen, but I do need to decide on appliances soon so that we can finish the cabinet design. Help much appreciated!

Thanks,
-- Amanda

PS. Does anyone know where we could see a live demo in the SF Bay Area? (Northern California).


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After reviewing all of the posts on this site and comparing the products I am going with a GE Monogram setup for my cooking appliances. I had already decided to go with an Advantium 240, and Monogram fridge prior. I thought I was going to get a Wolf range but they are just so expensive! Now I think I am going to drop down to the 120 Advantium to also save some money since it's main function will be that of a standard microwave except on holidays. I wanted a duel fuel range, but now realize it is cheaper to not go with a range. The GE Monogram 36" 6 burner duel fuel range is about $5200, and the Trivection Wall oven is about $2350 ($500 more than w/convection only). This totals to $7550. I can buy the same rangetop as on the range and get the double wall oven, both with Trivection instead of just the single wall oven much cheaper! GE Monogram 6 burner rangetop is $2350 and the double Monogram Trivection is $3550, totalling $5900. That is $1650 I can save and am actually getting a better setup as I see it with the 2 Trivections! My only dillema is that I was stacking the Advantium with the single wall oven and now need to find somewhere to place the Advantium. My Kitchen Designer is going to be livid since we finalized the kitchen plan yesterday after about 16 hours of meetings so far. Good thing I did not actually place the cabinet order yet!


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chris chico: I believe there are some rebates from GE for many of the things you're thinking of buying. Check the website.

No one has answered if GE is planning a new advantium 240 this year. Does anyone know? I've called GE and not gotten an answer. They said they're not allowed to talk about products that haven't already been released.


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Hi Hsheffield

Please see my post from April 20th. I link to the GE URL that shows all the latest Advantiums. There are 2 120's and 2 new 240's.
This is the new line. I think the Monogram line is slightly older.


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I saw the Advantium demonstrated by a GE field rep at a local vendor. The rep acknowledged the new 120 Advantiums are significantly more advanced the the 240's:

* 175 pre-programmed recipes vs. 100+
* True European convection oven
* Warming/proofing oven
* 16" turntable
* Larger capacity/cavity

When I asked when the 240's would have these features, he smiled and said within one or two years, maybe sooner.

Despite the slower speedcook, the 120 is more versatile. The warming/proofing oven did it for me. I bought one yesterday.


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I have had an advantium for 4-5 years. It was the best appliance purchase we ever made! It is still going strong, and it will go to a good home :) We are in the process of a kitchen addition. Currently, my appliances are white, and we are planning to change them all to either black or stainless.

I have been reading about the new models that are out. It looks like the only model that is updated is the 120 that is a built in (wall) oven. We need the over the range model. Does anyone know if those are going to be updated as well? I would hate to buy a new one only to find that it is updated a month later.

Also, does anyone know if there are advantium recipes posted anywhere (other than GE's website).

Any ideas?
April


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So....
BASIC question:
Can the advantium be used as a toaster oven? Or would I have to buy a new toaster oven also?


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I'm quite disappointed about the time frame for the updated 240... I'm moving in a new house in february and was planning of putting an advantium at that time!


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I'm with you Mart242...
a 240V wall oven is in my near future and I'd love to see the 240V model have some of the extra perks that were added to the latest 120V model.
Nonetheless, for me, the attraction is the speedcooking, so I am firm on getting the 240V version.

Rob


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We've ordered an Advantium 240. I wanted the speedcook capability, and it sounds like it can cook about anything a regular oven can. If it can roast a chicken, it's probably as much of a 2nd oven as I'll need. I would like the larger capacity of the 120 though.


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Another problem for me: here in Canada, only the monogram advantium is available... can anyone confirm that the monogram 240 wall-oven is the same as the regular advantium 240 wall-oven?

I've looked at the spec but as seen in the past, they are not always up to date... Hopefully they'll update the monogram soon!


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"Also, does anyone know if there are advantium recipes posted anywhere (other than GE's website)."

There is a yahoo group for Advantium owners to share info and recipes. I just signed on, so I don't know how helpful it will be.

Here is a link that might be useful: Advantium Yahoo group


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Hi,

I just wanted to add my thoughts on the Advantium and Trivection as this website really helped me when I did my appliance research. Our kitchen is not completely finished but we have been able to use our Monogram Advantium 240 and Trivection oven over the last two months (we also have a GE Monogram convection oven as I thought I needed it at the time).

Unilke the other Trivection/ Advantium users, we use our Trivection for almost every meal and our Advantium for specific tasks or reheating. I find the Trivection easier to convert and I can use my own baking sheets with it. Both are great for their own uses though.

When we were looking at the two ovens, I originally was going to get just a Trivection, as we did not microwave a ton before we remodelled. I think if you love to bake, cook in larger quantities, and don't have the time to play around with Advantium recipes- the Trivection is great. I would not live without it.

Since we normally get home late in the evening from work, the Trivection and Advantium are a life saver, it cuts are dinner times down significantly.

Here are some of our normal uses for the two ovens (as normal as one can be during renovations):

Advantium: filet, bagel bites, store french fries, cinnamon roles, regular microwavable foods, reheating (we use the microwave sensor reheat option), pizza

Trivection: cookies (cook more uniformly- opinions are mixed as to whether the uniformity is a good thing or not in our house), potatoes of any kind- our hour long preps take less then 15 minutes and taste better :-), cassoroles, chicken, bread, pizza etc

I bought the Trivection knowing I could always use it as a regular convection oven, but I have found that I Trivection everything with cookies being the only exception. I usually make a Trivection batch for my father and I, and a convection batch for my husband and Mom.

I still consider myself inexperienced with the Advantium and feel that I am not using it to its full capabilities.


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If you are looking for a demo of the Trivection or Advanium in San Francisco, I believe the high-end appliance store across from the building department and Discount Builders can help. They are very proud of their demo department, which looks like a TV cooking show set, complete with a fully stocked top-of-the-line Thermador refrigerator (I wish I could afford the $9k) and chefs onduty (a number of the salesmen are professional chefs, go figure). Unfortunately, they did not have the OTR Advantium, just the wall ovens, and I did not have the time to stay for a demo. The salespeople are VERY friendly and helpful, and unlike Cherin's (shabbyshabbyshabby), their showroom is beautiful, and has all the latest appliances, my favorites being Thermador and Viking, which make Dacor and DCS look crude by comparison, and Jennair look like the junk it is. Cherin's DOES have a Delonghi range on display, and though they have yet to sell one, it looks good!

I am a bachelor who rarely entertains, and am currently installing a new kitchen. I buy quality at discount, and decided early on it made no sense to waste money on an energy-hog commercial range when I only cook for myself and one other person most of the time. For those of you who care about energy conservation, the higher the power rating, the less time it takes to cook, which means less energy consumed. Time literally means money!

Also remember that commercial ranges are built to serve restaurants, which means they were made to be used all day long. They are NOT energy efficient, by any means. If you are not a professional chef (and this advice comes from one), don't bother with convection ovens that rely on fans (just another thing to break), but if you must have it, stick to an electric oven or dual fuel range. Remember, only electric ovens are self-cleaning.

I just bought the newest 220v stainless steel OTR Advanium from a contractor for $400 (such a deal!), after failing to find one on Ebay (more about this below). It will replace my Magic Chef microwave (excellent all stainless steel model from Costco for $100), my ugly countertop toaster oven (off to Goodwill), and also serve as the range hood. Below, I planned for either a gas or induction cooktop (the most energy efficient choice), and maybe later, a Viking or Thermador electric oven.

I would not have even bothered to consider a larger oven if my business partner were not such a great cook. But even she said she couldn't see spending over a grand just to cook turkeys, as long as the Advantium can do roasts and steaks as promised.

Still, I fell in love with the Thermador 30" ProHarmony dual-fuel stainless steel range. Mine is a twelve-foot long galley kitchen, and this true flush mount range, with it's bull-nose front trim, stainless steel pan (I hate porcelain pans), unique "warming" burner (turns itself on and off at intervals), flush convection fan, easy-sliding racks, and great compact design would fit perfectly, if not for the $3.5K sticker shock.

For those of you who are confused about whether you should or should not vent, beware! Venting is really important. You are not just protecting your home from unwanted steam and smells, but proper ventilation keeps any oven from overheating, which can burnout the electronics. Still, this model allows for installing special charcoal filters if you can only vent to your room. Perhaps there is someone out there who can comment on it's effectiveness?

If you, like myself, shop Ebay for bargains, be mindful. Some resellers are "improving" older model Advantiums with new stainless steel faces. The original models had plastic display covers, the new ones are glass. I almost bought one of these, until I took a closer look at the pictures, and realized the truth.

Personally, I don't like the 120v Advanium's appearance. It's gently bowed face and eyebrow window doesn't fit with the straight lines of most modern kitchens. The 220v models are flat-faced with a proper rectangular window. It doesn't call attention to itself, in keeping with proper design. I do wish the oven cavity was taller.

Final notes: Don't buy before Googling appliance recalls. The cheaper the appliance, the more get sold, increasing the odds for disgruntled buyers.


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johnzane "Remember, only electric ovens are self-cleaning."

Wrong. My kitchenaid superba gas range (convection) is self cleaning and most good gas ranges are.

"For those of you who care about energy conservation, the higher the power rating, the less time it takes to cook, which means less energy consumed"
Not necessarly. It's more about energy efficiency. The power rating just releases the energy faster so even if it cooks faster, you still use the same amount. Energy efficiency is what counts: for example, induction is ~90% efficient, gas is ~30%.


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Sorry to bump this up...

How does the advantium handle reheating meat, pasta and other leftovers? Does it do a job as bad as a microwave when reheating meat? Leftover pizza?

A strong selling feature of the gaggenau combi steam oven is this. It reheats food perfectly and everything is moist. Day old bread comes out new. Pizza is better than the day before. I've convinced myself that I can do without the combi for steaming veggies (wasn't hard) but the reheating part worries me a bit more...

Thanks!


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Just got the Advantium 120 last week-- I'm using it while I'm waiting for the rest of my kitchen to become functional.

It is not big enough to prepare dinner for my entire family (6 people), but it is great for lunch or smaller quantities of food. I imagine it would be perfect size for a small family.

The frozen pizza came out crisp-- it was very fast. I was impressed.

Chicken nuggets were good (as good as they can be anyway)... reheating food with the sensor was great.

THis is a good appliance to have. I eliminated my wall oven during our remodel, and I think the Advantium 120 is an adequate substitute for a second oven (for my purposes at least).


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Would food, like baked potatoes have that 'microwave test'?


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OOps, that should read 'microwave taste' above!

Also, am I correct that this new model would eliminate the need for a warming drawer? We were going to get a miele warming drawer, but this solution sounds better. The one downfall is that I think this has to be installed above counter height and not on my island. Does anyone know the reasoning behind installing this above counter height?


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I played with an advantium in a local showroom, and it was pretty noisy when running (like my current microwave). For those of you who have one at home, does the noise bother you? When used as a warming drawer, is it just as loud?


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Yes, the advantium is noisy when running, however the noise doen't bother me. (Now when the center island downdraft is on... THAT"S NOISY)

I am very pleased with my Advantium purchase. I chose the 120 Monogram and have it installed above a convection oven. I have owned it for about a month and have used it to speed-bake convenience foods for my teenagers, roast chickens, microwave oatmeal in the morning, reheat leftovers with the microwave sensor function, and bake small portions of cookies, rolls, and pastries. I made a fabulous flounder dish in it the other night-- it was the first time I actually cooked fish in an oven (usually I saute it in too much butter). BTW, I got the recipe off a Yahoo/Advantium group that posts new recipes and ways of using the Advantium.

Again, I must thank this forum for turning me on to the Advantium. When I started my kitchen redo project a few months ago I had never even heard of the oven.


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Bump on this thread..

How is the advantium 240 when it comes to reheating left overs?

A regular microwave does a pretty bad job and I tend to rehead left overs quite a bit (busy work week, not always time to cook with kids) so I might be considering getting a gaggenau combi instead of an advantium (it cooks pretty quickly with the steam, according to what I've read but it's so expensive that I'd rather not buy it!).

Thanks!


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There is no comparison between a microwave and the Advantium. It can bring day-old refrigerated pizza back to like-new condition. Considering that it can take a raw whole chicken to browned and delicious in 20 minuets, and make great cod fillets and baked potatoes, reheating is a walk in the park for it. For one or two servings, most things are ready in less than five minutes (refrigerated).

I don't get the idea of reheating with steam, but I have never seen it so I have no idea if it is superior or not.

Since the latent heat of vaporization of water is 540 calories per gram and it would take only about 75 calories to raise the same gram of water from room temperature to boiling, you can see how much energy is contained in the steam (over 7 times). It definitely would heat the food quickly. I just wonder what they use to re-vaporize the water so the food item doesn't come out damp or soggy. Maybe somebody out there can explain?


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I don't get the idea of reheating with steam either... to me, everything would turn mushy! I'd have to see it...


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I bought an advantium 220 new off ebay for 299 in almond color. This is the oven I use all the time now. I only wish that I had known they existed sooner.


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Is the Thermador Speedcook Oven basically the equivalent of the Advantium, and if so, which Advantium, the 120 or the 240? The Thermador Speedcook specs state that it is dual-rated 120/208-240 volts. I'm not sure what that means. Perhaps someone could help me out with this. Thanks.


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I just bought the Thermador Speedcook oven (CM301), and I view it as the equivalent of a Trivection, not an Advantium. The Thermador microwave is only 650W, and it cooks with conventional cooking elements, not halogen.


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I am looking at the GE Advantium 120 Volt microwave. My OTR Microwave died after 12 years. I am concerned about cleaning the stainless steel inside and using their metal pan. I am hooked on all my pamered chef non stick cookwear so don't know if i will be able to get used to a regular metal pan.

Let me know if anyone has any ideas. Also can I use my small non stick cookie sheet in there or does it need to be something special. Thanks!!! Karen


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I found this video demo on GE's website to be very instructive and helpful. Although he uses an OTR Advantium for the demo, I'm not sure if it is the 240 or 120 - I THINK it is the 240.

Here is a link that might be useful: Helpful Advantium/Trivection Demo Video


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smarge, it's the 240.


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Bump!

When did they first start making the 30" 240v advantium? I am looking to buy a used one about 2 years old, but wanted to make sure it was still the updated model.

Thanks!


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How is Advantium compared with a Dacro speed oven?
We are thinking of putting in a Dacro convection,
it'd be nice to match it up with a Dacro speed oven (to
replace my old microwave and as a backup oven)


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I'm new to this and planning a speed oven, this last question regarding Dacor speed ovens has not been answered, does anyone have it ?


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mitchdesj- I have an advantium but Try a new thread with Dacor speed oven as the topic. Or just speed ovens. Good luck.


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We have the 240 wall oven Advantium and the Gagg combi steam oven. The Gagg steam oven does a great job reheating plates of food, especially food you don't want to dry out or otherwise overcook. You put the plate of food on the grid, set the Gagg for 250 degrees & 60% steam, and it takes about 8 minutes. It isn't mushy or wet, just piping hot & like new. The Advantium MW function will of course reheat food much faster, but not as gently.


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Is the Kenmore speedcook oven (link below) essentially a re-badged Advantium?

How messy do 240V Advantium interiors get when cooking meats? Are they more difficult to clean than conventional microwave ovens?

Here is a link that might be useful: Kenmore Speedcook Oven


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I'm very interested in the 120V wall oven, but was dismayed to watch the door flop open on the monogram style I was looking at. Has anyone had problems with the pull down door needing repairs? It isn't built like the "regular" oven doors that will stay where you put them.


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Hi All,

This is an old thread, but I came across it when googling. I'm in a dilemma. In the current house I have an OTR 240 GE Profile Advantium and I LOVE it. It's 30 in side I learned in the last week.

In the new house, there are cut-outs in the wall oven / wall micro stack that are ONLY able to accommodate 27in width wall oven or wall micro.

So, I do understand that there's a 120 version of the Advantium in the 27 in width, but I really rather have the 240 version for Speedcooking.

Has anyone come across a 27in 240 model? I don't care whether it's Profile or Monogram. Those differences to me are just in the style and trim. I'm most interested in the Speedcook ability and I "think" I need the 240 power most importantly. I use my current OTR 240 (30in) Advantium for broiling steaks, baking potatoes, baking meatloaf and many other things. The only thing I don't do in it is cookies. I have a really good convection oven for most of my baking tasks. Granted I believe the Advantium (like the 240 model I have in the current house) can do baking of cookies and the like - I have tried since when I bake cookies I prefer the standard cookie sheet and that works better in the regular (convection) oven.

What I also like about Advantium is it's like having a second oven really. So for many meals I can split up baking duty between my slide-in range oven and my OTR Advantium.

So, any pointers to a 240 Speedcook type appliance in 27in?

Thanks Much!
--jans


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I thought I posted to this thread this past Monday, but have not seen it show up in searches nor in the first page of the Appliances forum, so I'm re-posting from my browser history:

Hi All,

This is an old thread, but I came across it when googling. I'm in a dilemma. In the current house I have an OTR 240 GE Profile Advantium and I LOVE it. It's 30 in side I learned in the last week.

In the new house, there are cut-outs in the wall oven / wall micro stack that are ONLY able to accommodate 27in width wall oven or wall micro.

So, I do understand that there's a 120 version of the Advantium in the 27 in width, but I really rather have the 240 version for Speedcooking.

Has anyone come across a 27in 240 model? I don't care whether it's Profile or Monogram. Those differences to me are just in the style and trim. I'm most interested in the Speedcook ability and I "think" I need the 240 power most importantly. I use my current OTR 240 (30in) Advantium for broiling steaks, baking potatoes, baking meatloaf and many other things. The only thing I don't do in it is cookies. I have a really good convection oven for most of my baking tasks. Granted I believe the Advantium (like the 240 model I have in the current house) can do baking of cookies and the like - I have tried since when I bake cookies I prefer the standard cookie sheet and that works better in the regular (convection) oven.

What I also like about Advantium is it's like having a second oven really. So for many meals I can split up baking duty between my slide-in range oven and my OTR Advantium.

So, any pointers to a 240 Speedcook type appliance in 27in?

Thanks Much!
--jans


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I just purchased the GE Advantium 120 Microwave Oven. My first impression hasn't been great. Wasn't ready for the install when it was delivered, and when I removed it from the box last weekend and plugged it in, it started running and the only way to turn it off was to unplug it or open the door. Called GE, and was told since it was past the seven day return period, I would have to schedule service. Called service and couldn't get a Saturday service date for TWO months. Brand new applicance that has never been used and they expect me to take off from work for them to service it. So I reinterate, so far I'm neither impressed by the applicance or by GE. I'll let you know how this is resolved.


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Can I install (suspend) the GE Cafe Advantium (120V) CSA1201RSS over a counter-top (set to recirculating) instead of the range? The GE description used to say "over the range or counter" but the "expert" customer service reps say it can't be installed over a counter. What am I missing here? As long as you 1) don't box it in on the bottom; and, 2) set it to recirculate why would it NOT work over a counter? (We plan a full chimney vent over our GE Cafe Dual Fuel so we don't need a micro hood, but Advantium doesn't make a counter-top version.) My thought is GE want's to "up-sell" the large wall unit so it says the microwave MUST go over a range.


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I am also in debate about the advantium.

I think the key is to ask yourself what type of cooking you do. We were going to build a house when we relocated to the Pacific Northwest. I won't bother with reasons, but we ended up buying an existing house. In my previous house, we had a stove (cooktop and oven in one unit). It was what I had for 35+years and my biggest gripe was putting two big pans side by side on the burners.
I was set to get a rangetop 6-burner rangetop and put a wall oven under the rangetop. This would give me space and an oven I could pick/choose. As it turns out, natural gas is not available here so I had to reconsider things with either electric or propane. Plus, the house we bought had an electric downdraft (blech) cooktop and one ge profile 27" oven.
I ended up dumping the cooktop and bought induction.
For my lifestyle, I stovetop cook more than oven cook so I focused on that portion of it.
I do some casseroles, broil and occasionally do whole chickens or a slab-o-fish. If we can't grill it, poach it, stir fry it or pan sear it, THEN it goes into the oven.
To me, the advantium has the advantage of being a second oven during holidays yet cooking quickly PLUS being a microwave. It almost sounds too good to be true.
It is just DH and I and we don't entertain frequently, so a small oven would be just fine for us.

Reading the oven threads here, you can see that it is reaally hard to find a "perfect" one.

So I'm at the point of asking myself daily if it were here, would I use it more? Is it necessary (DH is retired so time is less important in meal prep)? Is it truly cost saving if it cooks faster and doesn't heat up the house.......and the saga continues.
Good luck with your decisioin.


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We use our Advantium daily as a speed or convection oven. Just two of us and my MIL. Certainly a learning curve, especially timing with other dishes or changing from speed oven to MW, but it is so nice not to have the big oven going an to cook food in less than half the normal time. Ours is a 30" 240V wall unit.


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You shoukd be able to install the OTR model over counter as long as you still meet the install specs for clearance, etc. there are people here that have done that successfully. I assume the rep you spoke to misunderstood what you were asking. You can't treat it like a regular MW and set it on a shelf, etc, but as long as it's properly mounted there's no difference. What if you just never use the range? Dosn't matter what it's over, just that it's properly mounted.

I'm still waiting to try my 240v wall unit. The cabinet front was ordered too big, so can't install it yet. It's just sitting in the cabinet staring at me. So excited to try it out!


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