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Sat, Mar 17, 12 at 22:29
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I am renovating a kitchen. I already got a Capital range and as a second oven I was kind of obsessed with having the new Miele combination steam oven (Miele DGC 5080 XL) that was supposed to come out this month, but is now probably going to be delayed another year. It is so cool- here is a video on it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k5MzTNrfuY So, the question is, what to do instead? Leave a hole where the Miele was supposed to go and wait?
Thank you so much for responding-
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Follow-Up Postings:
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| I've read through the Wolf manual (have the Gaggenau). It looks like it does what the Gaggenau does, more or less. All those programs would drive me nuts because I want control (Apple software products drive me nuts for the same reason), but I think if you plan out what you want to do, you can make it do it. Wolf has a great reputation for quality. I've waited in vain for enough vaporware to say, get something now. |
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| ellekay - Why did you think the Miele steam combi won't be out until 2013? |
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| I heard that they got caught up in 'red tape,' having to do with the fact that they are a foreign company. Sorry I don't have more details, but I was also told that by the appliance store where we ordered our Wolf. Ellekay, I will post when we have a chance to test it out, but that won't be for a few more months. |
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| Thanks samana. Like others, we get different stories. About two months ago the Miele Denver rep (now gone) said he gets in trouble and is always wrong whenever he predicts an intro date, but said it would be introduced this year. We had our appliance store salesman contact Miele and we contacted Miele directly and both of us got the same line, 'Introducing a steam combi has never even been discussed in this office,' indicating not only that it may never come to the US, but that the US employees have never even heard of a steam combi. Then again our salesman said in the past Miele has given only two weeks notice before introducing new products in the US. (Did Steve Jobs once run Miele?!?) We'll be in NYC next month and are planning a trip to the Miele showroom to pose the question again. We start construction of our complete kitchen remodel in mid-July and need to decide whether to leave a hole in the cabinets or give up and go with the speed oven. We really want steam, but can't convince ourselves to mix and match cooking appliances. (We're also going with a 27-inch oven which few of Miele's competitors offer.) Our hope is that with all its competitors introducing steam combis, Miele will feel some competitive pressure to roll out theirs. |
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| Miele in Princeton, NJ is offering cooking classes to the trade (and maybe the public, I am not sure) on their new steam ovens. I haven't gone yet, nor seen it, but have received invitations to their classes. I would suggest contacting their Princeton showroom for immediate answers. If it is trade only, contact me and if our schedules co-ordinate, I would be delighted to accompany you. It is something I am planning to do at some point anyway and if you need a designer for access, if it can be worked out, I am happy to oblige - no strings. |
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| avidchef, thanks...THAT'S BIG NEWS if by "new steam ovens" they mean the steam/convection combi. I just went on the website and the Princeton Gallery has posted a few classes named "Full Steam Ahead MasterChef Class." I see others are offering the same, so those might be for the regular steam oven. You can be sure I'll be calling them tomorrow. As to your very generous offer, we're thinking about it, but it's a long shot. We live in Golden, Colorado (yea, where Coors is...I worked there thru the 1990s and my wife still does) and we're not sure we can fit it into our NYC vacation (June 6-10) or even if the classes would coincide with our trip. But it sure is tempting. |
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| Oops. False alarm. The cooking class is for the existing steam oven. I spoke with the folks at the Princeton gallery and still no word or if/when the steam/convection combi will be introduced in the US. Got the impression it won't be this year. (That screws up our plans.) |
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| Hi, I have ordered the Wolf convection/steam. At the Clarke Kitchen distribution center, I sterilized my canning jars (10 minutes!), cooked a whole chicken (beautiful to look at and so moist) and reheated a pasta dish. I loved the oven! It is also a nice size and can be used as convection only. Unfortunataely it will not be installed until next December as part of a renovation project. |
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| Gleapman, Sorry to get your hopes up. I wasn't aware there were new and old models. I just knew about this appliance because of the e-mails I received regarding the classes. Well, if the time comes when you want to see the appliance - let me know - the offer still stands. I will probably wait until the fall to check out their classes. |
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| No problem. I'm no worse off than I was three days ago. You prompted me to call the gallery and the person there provided the best update we've been able to get. We can now give up hope for something this year and plan accordingly. We may do as mjocean did and go with the Wolf product. Hate to go that route. |
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| What does the miele offer that the wolf doesn't. I watched the video and don't see anything the wolf doesn't have. The mile will probably be more expensive don't you think. I ordered the wolf and am looking forward to using it. |
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| sue2012 - We have been to a couple of demos of the Wolf steam combi and it's fine. I don't think the Wolf programming is as good as Miele's MasterChef, but it's okay. We might have gone with Wolf, but we have a small kitchen and just two of us in the house, so we designed the cabinets for a 27-inch main convection oven, which Wolf does not offer. Obviously, they also don't offer a trim kit for putting the steam combi in a 27-inch cabinet. So, we've decided to go with Miele, which offers a 27-inch convection oven (actually, it's closer to 28 inches), and matching trim kits for its speed oven and, presumably, for its steam combi if they ever get it to the US. We could possibly make the Miele trim kit work for the Wolf steam combi and the styling of the Wolf is similar to the Miele Europa. (We asked our appliance dealer if a Miele oven handle would fit on the Wolf steam combi. We were told it wouldn't.) We just decided for cosmetic reasons to have the same brand of ovens in the stack. We are going with a Sub-Zero fridge and Asco dw, but both will have panels. |
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| Hello all- I thought I would provide a little follow-up from my original post. I bought the Wolf, mostly because my husband really wanted to get the kitchen done and not have a hole where I would end up putting the Miele steam combination oven. I love the Wolf. So far I have cooked eggs, veggies, meatballs (at the same time), risotto, a chicken, toasted waffles and toast (just haven't bought a toaster yet) and reheated pizza and pasta. I would have chosen the Miele if it were available, but it's not and I'm not sure when it will be. I did hear that it is available in the Marine version (if you say you are putting it in a boat) and I thought about getting it, but I heard that if you have a fire or some other disaster and they can determine that you lied about any appliance installation that wasn't legit they can cancel your insurance. Anyway, I love the oven so far. I did not use the trim kit- put it in the cabinetry and it looks gorgeous. |
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| Ellekay- Is the Wolf convection steam oven easy to use? A previous poster said there is no manual operation choice. How did the veggies turn out? The Wolf site says this oven can brown meats-really?! So it replaces a toaster oven & microwave for most common uses? Thank U! |
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| ellekay - do you also have a Miele oven in your new kitchen? If so, how close is it to the steam combi and how do the two competing brands look together? |
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| Hi Ellekay, Have you tried fish or rice in the steam oven yet? We also oredered the oven without trim so I'm happy to learn it looks good without the trim. Marilyn |
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- Posted by NikkiBeerli (My Page) on Wed, Aug 29, 12 at 21:00
| I had the same delima: leave a hole? I decided to simply put cabinet doors on the opening, then when the DCG 5080 FINALLY comes to the US, I just slide it in. All the plumbing& electrical is ready for it. Side note: yes you can buy one for your boat, anywhere in the US, but marine appliances and such are all on European measure (liters, centimeters, wattage). Trust me, I tried to get one in my kitchen! Also, I met someone who works for Miele and was redesigning their showroom: they were told to expect a "second steam oven" in the "nearer" future and to build out a space for it right next to the old one. Sounds promising!! |
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- Posted by NikkiBeerli (My Page) on Wed, Aug 29, 12 at 21:07
| For ejocean: I went to the nearest Miele showroom (50 miles awar), to go to a complementary cooking class. One of the dishes was salmon, herbed rice and broccoli-all cooked together in the " current " steam oven. It was absolutely the most moist, delicious fish I have ever had! And everything tasted like it was cooked alone- no transference of favors whatsoever. So if there s any way you can go to one, do! Maybe even when your on vacation. I know there re not many Miele showrooms around :( |
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- Posted by NikkiBeerli (My Page) on Wed, Aug 29, 12 at 21:08
| For ejocean: I went to the nearest Miele showroom (50 miles awar), to go to a complementary cooking class. One of the dishes was salmon, herbed rice and broccoli-all cooked together in the " current " steam oven. It was absolutely the most moist, delicious fish I have ever had! And everything tasted like it was cooked alone- no transference of favors whatsoever. So if there s any way you can go to one, do! Maybe even when your on vacation. I know there re not many Miele showrooms around :( |
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- Posted by NikkiBeerli (My Page) on Wed, Aug 29, 12 at 21:08
| For ejocean: I went to the nearest Miele showroom (50 miles awar), to go to a complementary cooking class. One of the dishes was salmon, herbed rice and broccoli-all cooked together in the " current " steam oven. It was absolutely the most moist, delicious fish I have ever had! And everything tasted like it was cooked alone- no transference of favors whatsoever. So if there s any way you can go to one, do! Maybe even when your on vacation. I know there re not many Miele showrooms around :( |
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| Nikkibeerli, Thank you for the feedback for fish. I'll have to check on cooking classes at our Wolf/SZ distributor to find out if they will be demonstrating a fish cooking class. Thanks again! |
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- Posted by KitchenConfused (My Page) on Thu, Jan 10, 13 at 0:15
| I heard today at a showroom that Miele will be coming out with it in a couple of months and the water dispenser will be at the top where the control panel is!!?!? |
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- Posted by NikkiBeerli (My Page) on Thu, Jan 10, 13 at 1:10
| That is the unplumbed version, from what I've been told. The top (black portion) panel comes straight out and then down and the the water container is in there. That's why the 5080 has a bigger capacity (a 14 lb. bird). The current model has a lot of space taken up by the water container on the side...I've run plumbing to my future steam combo oven. I want plumbed!! |
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- Posted by NikkiBeerli (My Page) on Thu, Jan 10, 13 at 1:11
| That is the unplumbed version, from what I've been told. The top (black portion) panel comes straight out and then down and the the water container is in there. That's why the 5080 has a bigger capacity (a 14 lb. bird). The current model has a lot of space taken up by the water container on the side...I've run plumbing to my future steam combo oven. I want plumbed!! |
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| i have waited and waited and just wanna let you guys know miele has finally released their bigger combi steam oven (XL).. I ordered it this morning and now i can fill up the hole in my kitchen for the past 2 years. yes they only released the unplumbed version.. and even though i had all the plumbing done expecting a plumbed version to be installed,, it is not available now and I don't want to wait another year or two for it. I have also tried to buy the plumbed version two years ago from the marine store.. I didn't because i'm pretty sure its' not gonna work in US... due to electrical issue (50Hz vs. 60Hz) |
This post was edited by noopd on Tue, Mar 5, 13 at 17:18
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- Posted by NikkiBeerli (My Page) on Tue, Mar 5, 13 at 20:02
| Hurray! Thank you, everyone, for posting this update! I'm calling my rep right now!!! |
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- Posted by betagirlearth (My Page) on Thu, Mar 14, 13 at 13:13
| I have been waiting for this appliance for nearly four years.I left an opening waiting for it.I have gotten the same responses y'all have received and have considered the same options. WOLF is at the top of my list.The design offers more interior room.I have pretty much given up on Miele, but my frig, dw and oven are Miele so I continue to be torn. The current word is that April is scheduled for release, but could be May or later.I think April is a big show somewhere so it seems logical they would target that date. I don't know if that means they will be available then.I am beginning to hate these guys. [g] |
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| i hope they don't delay it that much.. they already accepted my order and everything. Miele says they should have it by 4/7 and i'm now scheduled for install on 4/9. Although i haven't seen it yet, the SF miele gallery says they have one there now and they will install it in the showroom next week. |
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| So, Noopd, did you get it installed? What do you think? |
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- Posted by NikkiBeerli (My Page) on Fri, Apr 19, 13 at 23:42
| Not yet. Install date is for May 15. Hopefully no delays! I will definitely post my thoughts and photos when it is in. I am going to a steam oven class in June. |
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| well, looks like miele concierge hasn't got their acts together since everytime i called they are giving me a different date. They are saying May now, so I'll just wait.. hopefully. soon. :( |
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