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Speed Oven Comparison

Posted by AustinB (My Page) on
Sat, Jan 14, 12 at 22:53

I want a combination Microwave and Convection oven for my kitchen renovation. I have used both a 110v Advantium and a Kitchenaid convection microwave once or twice and cannot really tell the difference between them. There are several models I am intersted in for an undercounter installation and I would like to get the groups thoughts. I mean, is the H4084 Miele really $2k better than the Wolf? Thanks for your help!
Units in order of cost....
1) Wolf Convection Microwave MWC24 ~$1200 with frame

2) Kitchenaid Convection Microwave KBHS179SSS ~$1700
3) Miele Chef Series Speed Oven H 4044 BM ~ $2100
4) GE Monogram 110v Advantium ZSC1202NSS ~ $2100
5) GE Monogram 240v Advantium ZSC2202NSS ~ $2372 (can I put this undercounter???)
6) Miele Master Chef Speed Oven H 4084 BM ~ $3100


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RE: Speed Oven Comparison

We have a Miele Chef. Installed it (under counter) in our kitchen reno 6 months ago, and no experience with other brands. Works great - just did two loaves of sandwich bread on convection bake mode yesterday with perfect results, heat coffee in it just about every morning. Have used combo mode only a couple of times (meat loaf, frozen pot pies). It was easier than I had thought to figure out how to work it.

Factors in our decision-making, other than the cooking itself, were 24 inch size (we're sort of tight on space), ability to mount under counter, looks (I'm not that into Advantium's curves, the Wolf looks a little block-y) and price (couldn't see how the 4084 was $1k better than the 4044). HTH

RE: Speed Oven Comparison

Gardengr166 - Thanks for the post, it was good to hear. Space is definitely a big consideration and I like the size of the Miele as well. I forgot to ask, but I am interested in any of these can toast well. Is it possible to toast bread in the Miele? And can you help me understand the difference between the Chef and MasterChef? I know the MasterChef has a probe and the navitronic menu, but other than that, is the Chef just as easy for a novice like myself and my family to use?

RE: Speed Oven Comparison

There may be other threads on this, here. Briefly, I think the consensus was its best to keep your old toaster (mine's plugged in, in the pantry) although at least some of these speed ovens can make toast, after a fashion. Search below for more on this, and Chef / Master Chef differences.

Master Chef has the programmed menu stuff, and lacks knobs; presumably programmed cooking would be easier than telling the oven exactly what to do (you can just tell it to cook a given weight of fish, or whatever, and it beeps when its done). That's the most significant difference vs. the cheaper Chef model; I forget if the Chef has an element below (useful for pizza).

BTW, Electrolux makes a speed oven, which may be worth considering as well. I'd shy away from a 120 V Advantium, due to reliability and speed issues -- obviously its slower than a 240v model. Not sure Advantium wants to be mounted undercounter.

FWIW, I ended up with a Master Chef (it fit better in our small kitchen), and like it fine.

RE: Speed Oven Comparison

A speed oven isn't the same thing as a convection/microwave. The speed program uses a combination of all inputs to achieve a finished dish in a fraction of the time which is cooked thoroughly, rather than "zapped". I have an Advantium 240, which suits my purposes, but I think the speed cooked foods are mostly still too zappedish, but if I were trying to get wholesome food down the throats of teenage scavengers after a hard day at work, I would love it as much as others do. It might not be the best ever roast chicken, but it's a roasted chicken in half an hour.

The Advantium is more microwavish than the Miele, so I wouldn't be at all surprised if the speed cooked chicken out of the Miele was better. I also think if I had more sticktoitivity to beat the programs on the Advantium, I could improve the product without a significant loss of time.

Only the 110 V Advantium is approved for under counter installation, and that is significantly slower.

If you're more interested in having one unit do either microwave or convection cooking, that makes your comparisons more equal. I haven't looked at the convection/microwaves for a few years, and they're probably improving constantly. It used to be that they were basically microwaves. I believe that at least some of them used the microwave generator to heat up the air for the convection part. I know many people IRL who absolutely hate these and feel they don't do a good job as ovens at all. I do like the oven mode on the Advantium well enough. It works as well as my Gaggenau convection only oven, plus has the ability to do top browning (halogen) if you use a speed cook combination. If I understand right, there's an actual heating element in the floor that heats the air for the convection. You can power that independently in speed cook mode, but not in oven mode, as far as I can tell.

The Miele, and I think the Elux, works like a regular oven with microwave added. I'm pretty sure it has a broiler, bake element, etc. Several years ago the concensus here was that the Miele speed oven baked better and the Advantium microwaved better. That's at least one model ago, however.

I believe (from what owners have said) that the Miele makes adequate toast. The Advantium makes terrible toast that is dried out and not very toasty. It makes okay cheese toast on a Speed setting, however. If you like toast from an oven, the Miele should be okay. If you prefer toaster toast, you might want to hang onto that toaster, as Chac_Mool said.

For choosing between Chef and Master Chef, if you're going with a speed oven (which isn't all that intuitive to use), your best bet would be to read through the manuals and see which suits you better. You can find them on the Miele website.

As C_M said, do also check out the Electrolux.

RE: Speed Oven Comparison

I have the Miele Chef and find it to be very versatile and easy to use. I have it undercounter. We use it as a MW several times every day and as an oven several times a week. It is a great companion oven to the main oven in the gas range.

Had considered the Advantium 240 but it is not approved for undercounted installation.

RE: Speed Oven Comparison

I too have Miele Chef mounted undercounter. This is my favorite appliance in the kitchen. I kept my trusty decade old cobalt Viking all gas range that I love for sentimental reasons. I also wanted to keep the gas oven for its infrared broiler. When (and if) my Viking dies, I will probably replace it with a Bluestar range (?)
I wanted a second oven for the kitchen but did not want to lose the wall space. I opted for a Miele Chef mounted undercounter. I got a deal and paid about 1500 and was not willing to splurge on the Master Chef.

It functions as a 'good' capacity oven except for the largest of pans. You can put jelly roll pans directly on the little lips on the side without using the rack. I bake 2 sheets of cookies at once. If I had a third sheet, I would bake the third sheet :) I suggest that you either bring your jelly roll pans and see if they work or buy the pans that fit. This really gives you flexibility.

Right now, I have the Viking going because I am roasting two chickens at once and I am using my larger roasting pan to roast 2 chickens. My smaller turkey roasting pan fits in the Miele (to give you a reference point) but the larger one does not.

I too looked at 240V Advantium and Electrolux speed ovens and could not install them undercounter. That was a deal breaker for me.

On a MW/bake function (speed function), 4 baked potatoes take about 30 minutes. It is much faster than standard baking but I don't think it is 1/4 of the time either.... In my experience, it is about 1/2 of the standard time.

RE: Speed Oven Comparison

We're looking to put a Miele Chef 4044 in build-in cabinets but not over an oven or anything.

There will be a 24" TV over it. also with cabinets build around it.

Miele offers a 30" Trim kit to make things even out if you put it over a standard 30" oven.

Does any1 have a picture of their build-in Miele Chef 4044 WITHOUT the trim kit?

Would appreciate some visual references.


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