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boiling water/efficiency question.

wallycat
12 years ago

For those who are into the minutia and get all the "geek" stuff about watts/amps/thermal..blah, blah...clearly I am not amongst them (though I wish I were).

DH and I have a bet and I want to win :-)

Which is the most efficient and fastest (maybe those two are mutually exclusive) 1 cup of water:

1. Microwave in a glass measuring cup

2. Induction cooktop

3. Electric kettle.

since we wont get propane/gas, this is a moot point even if it could be the fastest.

Thanks for anyone who knows and wants to share!

Comments (13)

  • plllog
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Okay, I wanted a cup of tea, and this sounded fun. :)

    And the winner is...Induction by a head!
    Full Results, 1 cup cool tap water measured in same measuring cup to level:
    HEAT SOURCE VESSEL TIME TO ROLLING BOIL/WHISTLE

    Induction Le Creuset kettle 1:00, with rolling boil
    Gaggenau, 21 cm enamelled steel a second ahead of whistle
    2.2kW, level 9 -- heavy bottom
    boosted to 3.3kW removable whistle
    ____________________________________________________________
    1960's Farberware Self 1:15 - 1:20
    compact percolator I would call it rolling at
    generally used for 1:15 but then it got rollinger
    boiling water while while I was trying to pull the
    car camping plug
    ____________________________________________________________
    1991 Black & Decker Self 1:30 to heavy steam
    electric teakettle 1:40 to whistle
    ____________________________________________________________
    Gas Le Creuset kettle 2:30 to whistle
    Wolf Same as above
    12K BTU on high
    closed burner
    ____________________________________________________________
    Microwave Corelle cereal bowl 2:30-2:45*
    Advantium Pro 240
    Microwave Express (high)
    ____________________________________________________________

    *Notes on microwaving: Advantium is an excellent microwave, but it doesn't seem to have a boil sensor, so I had to try time. There isn't a continuous light on on Microwave mode because the light is the same powerful halogen used for the speed cook, so I could only check intermittently. You get a couple seconds per look, and turning the light on too much adds heat. "Tea" setting was 1:30 but the result, in a ceramic mug, was barely above tepid. I tried 2:00 with a cool mug and having done my best to cool down the interior of the oven, but that was just a bit hotter. I opened to check. Added 30 seconds, no boil apparent on opening door. Added another half minute, and it was boiling. At this point, though, I was getting bored, and didn't want to start up with the ice to cool down the oven. I wiped it with a damp cloth, and it wasn't very warm to the touch, but there was still warmth in the glass tray and some of the other surfaces. Used the bowl to see if I'd have a better view of the boiling, and my mug was very hot from actually having achieved a boil and I was too lazy to go into the other room for another one. Plus I didn't have to worry about the Corelle cracking. I'm not exactly sure when it started to boil. I'm pretty sure I checked at 2:30 and it was still. I know it was boiling at 2:45 and for sure it wasn't at 2:00, but my mind was wandering (that pesky boredom before the experiment is finished). The Advantium is powerful, however, and it couldn't touch the kettles, only competitive with the gas.

  • User
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    That was fun. Those of you who want to try that should be careful with the microwave. Sometimes the water will superheat, but not boil until it is removed, or the surface of the water is touched. Then it explodes boiling water.

    More likely with very clean glass ware. Here's a link that talks about nucleation sites etc.

    Here is a link that might be useful: Superheated water- Snopes

  • plllog
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Yep, that glass measuring cup needs a bamboo skewer in it for safety. I had to do that in my mother's old 1980 MW. The mug was fine. I was a little unsure about the bowl, being Corelle, but that went all bubbly-wubbly while the MW was running.

  • kaseki
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Good job plllog!

    The other part of the OP's question, efficiency, asks which is fastest given the same amount of power drawn (or equivalent BTUs used). The most efficient would be the electric kettle which puts almost all of its heat into the water.

    Next would be induction, which is as efficient as its power supply and coil losses. I don't know any particular value for any particular device, but believe from the state of power supply technology and exhausted waste heat from my cooktop that induction efficiency lies in the 90 - 95% region.

    Electric coil type cooktops and gas burners partly radiate and convect elsewhere than the pan, so they would trail in the competition.

    I would use an electric kettle for water heating for tea if I found one that was at least 2 quarts and more powerful than my induction cooktop. (Brewing is performed in a 2 qt Corning Ware tea pot.) Failing to have found one, I use a Demeyere induction-compatible kettle instead. It is relatively inexpensive, for a Demeyere; I suspect it is a part of a bistro cookware line.

    kas

  • wallycat
    Original Author
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Wow, you guys are amazing. Where would the microwave fall in terms of efficiency??
    I may win this bet yet!

  • kaseki
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Microwave ovens are rumored to be about 65% efficient.

    kas

  • kaseki
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    The inefficiency of a microwave oven is lost in the power supply and magnetron, not in the oven itself. But the specified power rating of a microwave oven is delivered power, not drawn power, I believe.

    I am unclear about which is used to characterize induction hobs, drawn or delivered power.

    In any case, it may be seen in plllog's results that the induction hob running at perhaps 2.5x the microwave's power output requires around 2.5x less time.

    kas

  • plllog
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Thanks, Kas! I wasn't touching the efficiency part. :) FWIW, the electric kettle says it's 1500W (forgot to put that in, above). The Advantium is rated at 950W.

  • dodge59
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Nice work Pillog, buttt~~~~~~I'm just soooooo used to neuking my coffee in the AM, and I am only semi-conscious when I do that, that I just can't be "Inducted" into doing my coffee that way, even after all your hard work---What A bummer

    Gary

  • Nunyabiz1
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Take that same "cup of water" put it in a very thin aluminum or stainless pan with a large bottom like 12" over a 15K+ Gas burner and it would be close to the Induction.

    But for one cup of water the reigning champ of which nothing will ever come even close to is my Keurig which will deliver 192 degree water in under 10 seconds.

  • plllog
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Yeah, but Nunyabiz, no one who owns a saucepan, let alone a kettle, is going to boil water for tea in a big skillet. On induction the same pan will boil in seconds.

  • Nunyabiz1
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    true, just saying the "method" is almost as important as the heat source.
    and none beat a Keurig.

  • plllog
    12 years ago
    last modified: 9 years ago

    Agreed, but I used the same kettle on the gas and induction, which is like to like, and the bowl vs. mug in the microwave weren't wildly divergent, even if they accounted for the entirety of the time different (rather than the door opening, etc.) Comparing a thin skillet to a thick kettle doesn't make any sense.

    Just for grins I tried something like it. The only pots I have that are that big are my cast iron braiser and my stockpot. Just for you, I made three trials:

    The same one cup of water measure level in the same measuring cup:

    HEAT SOURCE VESSEL TIME TO ROLLING BOIL

    Induction De Buyer 35 seconds
    Gaggenau, 21 cm carbon steel
    2.2kW, level 9 -- very thin
    boosted to 3.3kW 8" diameter bottom

    Induction Demeyere 35 seconds
    Gaggenau, 21 cm 7-ply
    2.2kW, level 9 -- thick and heavy
    boosted to 3.3kW 7"-ish diameter bottom

    Induction Le Creuset 20 qt. 40 seconds
    Gaggenau, 28 cm enamelled steel Made a lot of
    3.6kW, level 9 -- very thin noise. Obviously
    boosted to 4.4kW 11" diameter bottom didn't like it.
    From the bubble
    pattern, I don't
    think the outer
    ring was engaged,
    which makes sense
    that it would be
    the same time as
    the others.

    The number of seconds is approximate as it's hard to judge exactly when the field goes on, and how rolling the boil is when one stops. As far as I could tell they were all pretty much the same. The boil in the stock pot started earliest but took a bit longer to really get going.