underneath.

As you probably already discovered... Ges Gesch (Gesetzlich geschutzt) means "legally protected" - a patent protection found on Wehrmacht era materials.

so that dates it but i can not find any similar looking ones online to give me value estimate.

Size has bearing on value.
Are they very tarnished brass ? or Patinated bronze...or wrought iron?

they almost seem to be "Antiqued" over copper

Likely patinated bronze....don't attempt to do more than wash

so do they have any value?

Just been looking at old German patent law, and the marking of "Ges. gesch." is already referred to in a law and court decisions from 1916. It was in 1877 that Germany established its patent law. The number may refer to the specific law. You could contact the German patent registry, info@dpma.de . Their web site also has information in English.

Here is a link that might be useful: German Patent Registry