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Help indetifying a metal plate

Lior20
10 years ago

Hello,

A few years ago I bought this metal plate in a flea market in Belgium. A guy who is familiar with these sort of antiques told my sister that it could sell for 400 euros, but my sister wasn't too interested and didn't ask him what he thought this was.

The plate looks old, and there are a lot of details to it, there's even a stamp in the back but I couldn't find it anywhere online.

Basically I'm looking to find out what it is and it's history, and possibly how much it costs.

I'll send more pictures of it in respond comments.

Thank you so much in advanced,
Lior

Comments (6)

  • Lior20
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    It won't let me upload another picture, so here's a link to the picture of stamps:
    http://www.sendspace.com/file/3ozibe

    Here is a link that might be useful: Stamps picture

  • User
    10 years ago

    The link is asking me to download a file: I don't do that.

    You can upload 1 picture per post or reply.
    So if you reply to your own post you can add a picture with each one.

    Dimensions are important.

    Step 1 is identifying the coat of arms on the front. It may be a famous family, it may be a hotel's fake set. But your picture doesn 't show it as a closeup.

  • Lior20
    Original Author
    10 years ago

    Here are more pictures of the plate in a link that doesn't require downloading:
    http://postimg.org/image/mqqplf9sj/full/
    http://postimg.org/image/sozxhx3df/full/
    http://postimg.org/image/chy8fllqr/full/
    (My iPhone is too slow and won't let me send a comment with a picture)

    Thank you so much in advance!

  • User
    10 years ago

    Interesting ... It's an English piece, or for an English client. These were often made as chargers for grand ceremonial banquets given by a guild, or maybe a wedding feast when 2 prominent families merged.

    If you can figure out who or what group the shields represent you can figure out how old it is and maybe what the occasion was. A rare occasion or a really popular participant would make the piece more collectible.

    Start researching heraldry of England.

    The various heraldic symbols on the left-most shield include the Tudor Rose, the spur of the knights of the Garter, a lion rampant, and the other quadrant is a repeating design called "Vair" (fur, although it looks nothing like it)?

    The one on the right is a dog (called a "talbot sejant " in heraldry), and three crescent moons ... probably easier to identify.

    The stamps on the reverse were too blurry to read.

  • cherig22
    10 years ago

    Found this on the guy with the scale and sword:

    "Look for the rare quality marks that started appearing around the 16th century. Among the earliest marks was the crown with a rose. The ore angel Michael, holding a sword in one hand and a balance in another, did not appear until the 18th century. The quality marks are good to place an age on a piece. But, because rules and regulations did not exist, any maker could and did put quality stamps on the pewter."

    Link to article: http://www.ehow.com/how_7524742_identification-pewter-marks.html

  • cherig22
    10 years ago

    Circles were used by females in Scotland, picked that up from one of the Heraldry sites.....

    The crescents on the right circle: "The crescent stands for one who has been "enlightened and honored by the gracious aspect of his sovereign." It is also borne as a symbol of the hope of greater glory. Crescents also represent the moon that lights the night sky for travelers, though it does not resemble the shape of a crescent moon very closely. In English arms it was also a mark of cadency signifying the second son" I also found the three on a coat of arms for the family name "Albert".

    The spur on the lower left Of the first circle: "A crest or coat of arms with the device of a spur on it was awarded to a knight who had done magnificent deeds. In some instances the spur is winged. Spurs are more often termed 'mullets of five points pierced,' which translates to five pointed stars with a hole in the center, or the part of the spur used to actually cut the horse. This was a dangerous implement, used by knights to stimulate their war-horses into action. It signifies preparedness or readiness for battle, pressing onward."

    The vair in the upper left of first circle: "Fur of nobility cloaking the inside of a coat."

    This was just from looking around the net, it was fun! Hope you can get some more answers for your piece.

    Cheri