Return to the Antiques & Collectibles Forum | Post a Follow-Up

 o
For Ice cream? Fish?

Posted by Lindac (My Page) on
Wed, May 2, 12 at 14:17

Photobucket
No markings at all....very fine "engraving on one side of the blade, no signs of any of the silver showing wear.

Photobucket

Photobucket

Any ideas? Old unmarked coin? plate?....fish? Ice cream? any idea of the pattern name?
Linda C


Follow-Up Postings:

 o
RE: For Ice cream? Fish?

How long is it? It looks like a cake saw (always has 'teeth') but the pointed end is reminiscent of fish. It's probably coin w/machine turned engraving, c.1850-70's, & that may be too early for ice cream but it doesn't look substantial enough for ice cream either.

The pattern reminds me of pieces by Wood & Hughes or perhaps Whiting.

When & where did you score this beauty?


 o
RE: For Ice cream? Fish?

It's 10 3/4 inches long and very sturdy...not at all flexable.
And one edge is a saw edge and the other a knife edge.
I payed about $30 for that and some other pieces at an auction about 15 years ago.
Now I have to dig and see if I can find the other pieces I bought at the same time.


 o
RE: For Ice cream? Fish?

If this is coin you got a super deal as I paid over $200 for a coin cake saw in the late 1990's but mine is marked Wood & Hughes so I knew it wasn't plate. At the time, $200 was somewhat of a bargain as cake saws are hard to come by. Yours is also about 1.25" longer than mine & is a size more often seen for ice cream but the teeth are a mystery. I don't recall ever seeing them on anything but a cake saw (or a bread knife) & they don't work all that well for those purposes so ice cream seems unlikely. Hmmmm.....


 o
RE: For Cake

Congratulations, you have a much prized cake saw!

When I got home, I pulled out my cake saw - & it's shaped like yours, point & all. Besides the monogram, the only mark on it is a very small 'W&H'. (My bread knife with the plated, saw tooth blade also has this shape but the Wallace catalogs identify this is for bread).

I wasn't able to i.d. the pattern but most of the major silver makers used similar shapes in the 1860's & 1870's. Even if it's plate, which I doubt, & the engraving looks good you made a good buy & if it's coin, you should do the happy dance!


 o
RE: Don't Listen to Me

I was wrong, perish the thought. It's plate.

After I posted, I decided to look thru s/p patterns & it popped up on the 2nd page! The pattern is Empress (1883) by Aurora/Derby.

My head is hanging in shame & I'm off to drown my sorrows!


 o
RE: For Ice cream? Fish?

It is a pretty piece, Linda!


 o
RE: For Ice cream? Fish?

Sigh....I am broken hearted! My silver expert friend who died about 4 years ago, told me when I bought it that he thought it was plate.....but he couldn't cite examples just his gut....based on lots of experience with old silver.
His wife is the one who bought the toddy ladle!
My sorrows are drowning as we "speak"....


 o
RE: For Ice cream? Fish?

The fact that it isn't marked threw me. A couple of times I've spied these at shows - small price tags & they looked good - & was shocked when I turned them over to find a s/p mark. This is the first one I've seen without a stamp. I can't imagine they were used much so presumably that's how they remained in good condition.


 o
RE: For Ice cream? Fish?

Does anybody have any ideas about the purpose of this knife? I've never seen one like it - maybe for breaking something apart rather than cutting, like ice???? I put a small bid on it but don't expect to win it.

Here is a link that might be useful: weird knife


 o
RE: For Ice cream? Fish?

Muffin breaker? With that stop on the blade....??????


 o
RE: For Ice cream? Fish?

I never heard of one but it makes sense - & it gives a purpose for the thumb-like appendage. Judging by the length, it's definitely a serving piece so I suppose one would split his muffin before placing on his individual plate. I need a really detailed book on Victorian table manners!


 o
Muffin Splitter?

According to google, Mr. Thomas started the craze for English muffins in the US in the late 19th century in NYC so the time frame is perfect for a silver muffin splitter.

Does it work for that purpose? We'll see....maybe!


 o
RE: For Ice cream? Fish?

Or is the blade sharp enough to be a cheese knife? The teeth would be used to grab the slice. I have one with two teeth at the end for this purpose.


 o
RE: For Ice cream? Fish?

Chibimimi, is your cheese knife similar to this one - like a master butter knife but with a comb top?
Photobucket
The problem is the one on ebay is about 2" longer plus the teeth look saw-like rather than a spearing tool.


 o
RE: For Ice cream? Fish?

I wonder if the one you are bidding on could be used to take a piece off of a wheel of cheddar?


 o
RE: For Ice cream? Fish?

Mine is larger than a master butter, and doesn't have the "hip" -- the blade is on a plane with the handle.

I'll see if I can take a picture of it. In the meantime, it's shaped somewhat like this one from eBay.

Here is a link that might be useful: One of many cheese knives on eBay


 o
RE: For Ice cream? Fish?

Linda, I wondered about that, too, but wouldn't the cheese crumble instead of slicing? Unless of course it was used to break off a large chunk & that seems in rather poor taste for those well mannered Victorians, LOL.

Chibimimi, I've seen modern knives like the one you limked sold as cheese knives but the old ones from Greenleaf & Crosby were actually orange knives & sold as souveniers of FL (note the orange motif). They work well for cheese, too, but the prongs are long & narrow enough to use as a pick.

I have a feeling this utensil is going to remain a mystery; I haven't been able to find anything remotely like it. Upon magnification, the teeth are not even - it's not evident in the 1st photo, but the 3rd one shows 2 in the midsection are slightly shorter. And the purpose of that is....?????????


 o
Another mystery piece

Look what else showed up on ebay! The seller doesn't know what it is either but at least I now know who else was making them. And I think Krider may have made pieces for retailers to re-badge.

Here is a link that might be useful: Peter Krider mystery piece


 o
RE: For Ice cream? Fish?

So....we know there are more....and made in at least 2 patterns.
Now to find something like it in an old catalog to see what they called it.
Linda C


 o
RE: For Ice cream? Fish?

An update to let everyone know that didn't win the auction - it seems like a lot of people want a mystery knife! (sigh)... Now I won't get to play with it to figure out its real use.

If anybody out there reading this was the winner, I'd love to hear your IRL impression.

In the last few days I've researched everything I can find on Peter Krider & there isn't much in the way of flatware; high quality but fairly typical 1860-1870's design. Exquisiste brite cut engraving on simple shapes with standard patterns seems to be the norm but I did find several pieces in this pattern which I've named 'Tulip'. I'm sure the scholars will be so pleased that I've named it for them, LOL!


 o Post a Follow-Up

Please Note: Only registered members are able to post messages to this forum.

    If you are a member, please log in.

    If you aren't yet a member, join now!


Return to the Antiques & Collectibles Forum

Information about Posting

  • You must be logged in to post a message. Once you are logged in, a posting window will appear at the bottom of the messages. If you are not a member, please register for an account.
  • Posting is a two-step process. Once you have composed your message, you will be taken to the preview page. You will then have a chance to review your post, make changes and upload photos.
  • After posting your message, you may need to refresh the forum page in order to see it.
  • Before posting copyrighted material, please read about Copyright and Fair Use.
  • We have a strict no-advertising policy!
  • If you would like to practice posting or uploading photos, please visit our Test forum.
  • If you need assistance, please Contact Us and we will be happy to help.


Learn more about in-text links on this page here