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I dont know what hese are im new to antiques

Posted by kmshaw (My Page) on
Wed, May 12, 10 at 12:57

please help me discover the items i have found if you have any information i would greatly appreciate it.

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RE: I dont know what hese are im new to antiques

Beautiful porcelaine cups and saucers....the top one is Dresden in the Versailles pattern, the second is Limoges...I can't read which one of the 25 or more Limoges china works made it...but it's beautiful!
And the 3rd is German, sorry I don't know the company that made it.
They're beautiful! Do you have a cup collection?
Linda c


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I have no information for you but the last c/s set is stunning! Art Nouveau/Jugendsthil era???


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Beautiful!! Way above average close to top of line for all 3. I didn't find the marks in my 2 Kovel Marks books but did find a partial tea set of different pattern by the L.S.& S. Limoges France with red stamp & green stamp on 2 saucers. Set of 9 1/2 h covered teapot, 2- 3 in. h. cups, 2 -4-1/2 in. d saucers, 15 in. tray+$500. in 2004 Warman's Antiques & Collectibles 38th price guide. So company had several different marks so probably in business quite a while. And that is nice price for those pieces so must have been excellent quality product. So it's a start!! Cups were for several uses. Choc. cups, tea cups, demi, breakfast & snack cups so folks were serious about their tea & other drinks back then!!


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These would be called "cabinet cups" made especially for display, although completely useful. Late 19th into 20th c. Limoges LS&S is probably late 19th c. The "Versailles" is possibly Rosenthal, early 20th c. I don't find reference to the "AR Dresden" portion of the mark, but this era is out of my bailiwick thus I lack the appropriate reference books that might enlighten us. The last cup with the (in my opinion) wildly exciting shape is a mystery to me and a quick online search netted nothing. I believe it's also early-ish 20th c.


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Cabinet cups were what people called cups displaying the china decorator's finest art, they were never meant to be used but were made to be display items. A cup made only for display would have been much finer than any of these....nice as they are. A cabinet cup would be something like a Copeland-Spode cup with a miniature portrait or maybe a fabulous piece of chinoiserie. These cups would now sell in the few hundred dollar range. The OP's cups would likely bring between $65 and $100 each. They were part of sets....for tea or chocolate....and likely at one time had pots to match.
And I agree....early 20th century.


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"Cabinet cups were what people called cups displaying the china decorator's finest art, they were never meant to be used ..."

I cheerfully stand corrected. I have stated that I am weak in the late 19th c and 20th c collectibles, which is pretty obvious here. I asked The Husband, who handles this era and he said almost word by word what you said, Linda.


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I'm surprised that these would fetch such high prices! That's great if OP wishes to retail them. I sell a few c&s that exceed 200 years age and are quite rare for little more than that. They're good group shop inventory.

Maybe I ought to change my era of specialisation.


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Unless things have changed in the past 15 years or so....people just love the dainty Haviland-esque china....way out of proportion to it's "artistic merit" whatever that means.
Somewhere about 15 to 20 years ago...I saw a white undecorated Haviland Ranson cup and saucer with a green mark, sell at auction for $155. I am still in shock...I would like to have a few more, but not at the prices they are asking.
Linda C


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Linda - I have several of the #2 Limoges cups and saucers (plus a few that may or may not be quite cabinet-worthy) and am wondering what the best venue might be if I were to sell them. I don't have a whole set of any one pattern, but rather an accumulation of odds & ends... Your advice?


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I would have said ebay....but look at this...I had to sit on my hands to keep from bidding!

Here is a link that might be useful: chocolate cup


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Just gorgeous! I don't know if I could part with those if I owned them!
Linda, that was a steal for that beauty of a Chocolate Cup.
Look at this deal - definitely a buyer's market on ebay for these gorgeous collectibles - similar patterning to your first cup, KM!
The seller said "The marks on the bottoms of both pieces of this set is the over-glazed Haviland and Co. over Limoges in red, and the green under-glaze is Haviland over France. The over-glazed red mark is the Haviland mark #13. and the under-glaze green mark is the Haviland mark #12 in the Collectors Encyclopedia Of Limoges. These marks date this set back to between 1893 to 1930."
Suzan J

Here is a link that might be useful: Ebay Beauty


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Don't really know anything about these, but the last cup & saucer you have is interesting to me. I actually have 2 of the same saucers. Didn't know they were saucers when I bought them, just knew they were pretty, assumed they were butter pats or something, and didn't spend a whole lot on them.

Most interesting part is that the mark on mine is similar to yours but not exact. Mine has JB in place of the FC and and W in place of the Co. Other than that, the marks are identical, so just kind of strange. If you're interested in selling it, let me know. =)


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wow thank you all for the information i really appreciate it!


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To sell or not to sell??

I think that I am going to sell them, any price suggestions? I know i can post them on ebay but are there any other sites out there that are more targeted towards selling these?


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You could try Etsy, which is oriented to the younger DIY crowd.

Here is a link that might be useful: Etsy Vintage


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