Olpea, this fungal vs bacterial shot-hole is a complex issue. My belief is that both varieties are common in the east (and, I have been told this by some experts). However, people seem to only talk about the bacterial kind and it is the only thing listed in spray guides. So, my feeling is they are sloppily viewed as one disease in the east, and this greatly confuses the treatment recommendations. I am almost positive that I have the fungal form in my orchard since the holes tend to be more round-edged with that. I think I have some of the bacterial version as well but am not completely sure. In terms of overall spray recommendation I follow the west coast idea of a leaf fall spray for fungal spot but which east coast people do not mention, but I believe the repeated spring sprays of the east coast guides are good for either kind of shot-hole since rain events are horrible for either of them -- my round-holed shothole propagates like crazy onto the new leaves after a rain, and if there is no rain the new leaves stay clean. The west coast recommendations for fungal spot are not taking into account heavy spring rains since they don't have them. I am guilty of abusing this terminology myself since its a pain to go into a lengthy explanation each time, but most of the time the treatment is similar so I don't feel too bad about it. However you are correct that fungonil is only useful for the fungal kind. LL, I don't see any problem with that mix. Scott

i have been an award-winning full time one-person stained glass studio for 47 years, and for me, there is one and only one way to mix foil and lead. the foil part is made first, and then treated as a single piece of glass in the leaded artwork. an example is my artwork here - http://www.tdstainedglass.com/page43.htm will explain this in greater detail. also, anyone who recommends using lead around the outside edge of a panel (anything but a suncatcher) is propagating a method that will NEVER produce precision results. that's the way many hobbyists-turned-professional attempt to leave "fudge room" because they cannot make a st gl panel come out the exact right size. there are numerous reasons why this is an example of poor attitude, too many to type out here. for a more detailed description of good vs bad attitude and technique in st gl, read my page at http://www.tdstainedglass.com/craft.html. and while i rarely attempt to sell my 43-hour set of DVDs online, i have long since run out of patience with all of the bad advice online. to read about my class-on-DVDs, go to http://www.tdstainedglass.com/stained_glass_class.html. p.s. - my technique is so precise that i make 97% of my projects on my work table with NO pattern underneath. to see this done, go to http://www.tdstainedglass.com/page134.htm (the under-drawing has only the border lines drawn on it) or http://www.tdstainedglass.com/page120.htm or http://www.tdstainedglass.com/page122.htm (the under-drawing has only the large circles drawn on it).

Thank you for all the nice comments. We really enjoyed the day, and yes, it was especially nice to do something together. I found a cute pattern for "shoes" that I would love to do for my daughter for Christmas, so that just may be my next small project. Otherwise, we were contacted by a lady months ago to create side lights for her front door. We couldn't decided if we wanted to lead or use copper foil. Now we come to the conclusion, we really think it will be copper foiled. Much, much easier! The style is in a Frank Lloyd Wright, so design will be a "piece of cake" . Can't wait to get started though. Hi Wendy! Good to see you over here! Becky

Hi Melissa! And Welcome! I have only used Venture here where I live, they don't even have that other brand so can't give a comparison, but I can't see a big difference being done. I hope you post a few pictures of some of the stuff you have made. My first class, I made a window, very simple, and then a lamp...and I had gone and bought a bunch of "harder to cut" glass, not knowing what I was doing, but sure enjoy the whole process of learning about stained glass!