window pass-through from kitchen to outside (?deck?)

huangoDecember 4, 2007

Does anyone have some kind of pass-through from their kitchen to the outside, like a window or something?

My future layout would mean walking 20-30 ft from the kitchen into the familyroom to get to the door that leads to the patio. The small patio (?18'x6') is connected to the larger deck (?17'x18') which is right next to the kitchen.

So to get something (like a dish or more napkins during a BBQ) from the kitchen sink to the deck, you'd have to walk 40+feet.

A friend suggested something like a pass-through via the windows. I don't know what kind of windows work like that.

Can I see some pictures?

thank you.

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plllog

I don't have pictures, but have friends who have them. The most useful ones have a counter on the outside so that a person inside can put some things outside without there being a second person there to catch them. The prettiest one I've seen has the same granite on the outside counter, the kitchen counter, and the sill in between, making one, unified surface.

    Bookmark   December 4, 2007 at 11:00PM
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pickyshopper

I seem to remember someone in the Finished Kitchens's Blog having a pass through from their kitchen to outside. I think it might have been Cloudswift

    Bookmark   December 4, 2007 at 11:57PM
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needanap

I'm pretty sure cloud_swift has one, but I can't find it in the FKB. It had the same beautiful granite inside and out.

    Bookmark   December 5, 2007 at 12:04AM
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teedup1

We have a 6-foot wide (pass through) window in front of sink and dishwasher cabs. It sits at counter level and half of it slides open (a la a sliding door). There is a 7' x l8" counter on other side of window (outside). Very handy.

    Bookmark   December 5, 2007 at 12:13AM
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live_wire_oak

This is only really practical in a very mild climate unless you can figure out a method to employ a thermal break between the exterior and interior counter surfaces. (No continuous counter from window to outside.) Otherwise, you have a thermal intrusion of exterior temperature straight into your kitchen. Hot as Hades in the summer and colder than ice in the winter.

    Bookmark   December 5, 2007 at 12:16AM
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teedup1

Thermal intrusion? Maybe I don't know what that means.

Yes, I'm in mild climate, So.Cal., but we have double insulated windows. It get's to be 115 in summer and as low as 18 degrees in winter.

Oops, may have answered my own question upon rereading LiveWire response. Counter is NOT continuous from inside to outside. The framed window is the break between inside and outside; it sits at (on) countertop level. Five wood 2 x 6 outriggers attached to the house wall studs at initial construction sit 1" below window frame and support the heavy ceramic tile countertop outside. Air space of 1-1/2" between wall stucco and start of tile shelf is allowed. This set up is very common here.

    Bookmark   December 5, 2007 at 1:02AM
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saskatchewan_girl

When we replaced our windows in our previous house I had a large window that opened side to side sliding put in infront of the sink. In the summer we used it as a pass through for all our BBQ's, we just removed the screen and stored it in the pantry : ) It worked excellent. Our BBQ was near the window on the deck and DH built a bar type of table near the window to store kitchen items and dirty dishes for clean up. Now I see HomeDepot sells a similar item that includes a sink you can hook up.
When it's not in use.....just close the window, or put in the screen for a breeze: )
Here are some examples I found

wish i had this view HTH
    Bookmark   December 5, 2007 at 1:22AM
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jab913

I have a 5' window in front of sink that is utilized as a pass through. There is a small ledge counter top tiled to match the pool on the outside. Took the screen out and mounted aluminum channel on outside wall. Made a new screen to fit channel and just slide it open to pass things out or in.

    Bookmark   December 5, 2007 at 2:17AM
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plllog

LWO, yep. Mild here. I'm appalled by Teedup1's variances considering the area :) We take serious offense at lows below 40F and those only happen about once a decade. (I saw a snowflake once on vacation.)

Thanks for mentioning the thermal break. I learn so much here!!

    Bookmark   December 5, 2007 at 2:48AM
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teedup1

Appalling? Yes, Agoura Hills, CA has weird weather. Our winter appears to be starting early; this past Sunday morning it was
32.2 degrees at 7am
35 at 9am
41 degrees at 10:15am

Right now, Wed 12:52 a.m. is 69.8 degrees! Go figure.

    Bookmark   December 5, 2007 at 3:57AM
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buehl

There's a picture of Cloud_Swift's window in the linked thread. If you scroll down past her pics for mocking up her faucets to the first picture that shows the "final result", you can just make out that the granite extends past the window and out onto her pool deck. Her window, as I recall, is a slider.

HTH!

Here is a link that might be useful: Thread: show me your faucet set up with undermount sinks

    Bookmark   December 5, 2007 at 7:48AM
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huango

Thank you! You all are too good! And fast too!

These are exactly the ideas I had in my mind; just didn't know they existed/can be implemented.

It's a high of 33 degrees here today (Massachusetts): woohoo, so no continuous counter inside-out for us.

jab913: "mounted aluminum channel on outside wall"

    Bookmark   December 5, 2007 at 10:36AM
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svwillow1

Granite behind sink goes out to meet the track of an aluminum sliding window, beyond which a matching piece of granite was used as a 1'wide x 7'long shelf, bolted to the outside wall. The aluminum slider is not the best insulated of windows, but it was all we had to work with. If you are starting from scratch, you might want to consider a different window. Biggest think is you need to think how easy it will be to reach over the counter when opening or closing. For that reason either a slider or a crank out works best.

Here is a link that might be useful: Pass-through window

    Bookmark   December 5, 2007 at 3:32PM
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sarschlos_remodeler

I saw these and thought it looked very cool.

Here is a link that might be useful: Nana Wall

    Bookmark   December 5, 2007 at 3:44PM
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malhgold

That is very cool looking, but there are no screens. I would worry about bugs coming into my house.

    Bookmark   December 5, 2007 at 4:58PM
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sarschlos_remodeler

Good point. I think it would depend on where you live. We don't get a lot of flying bugs in our area (just the occasional fly or bee; we're not in mosquito country), so it didn't cross my mind.

    Bookmark   December 5, 2007 at 5:37PM
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huango

sarschlos_remodeler: those sliders ARE fantastic; I would love to have those.
But alas, w/ 1+ acre of wooded land, we ARE the heartland of mosquito country. And I am pretty allergic (huge welts) to their bites. So we do need lots of screens.
I actually do not leave my house ~1 hour before dusk.
I've 'enjoyed' parties from the inside of my house sitting by the screen door (I'm that allergic).

svwillow: "Biggest think is you need to think how easy it will be to reach over the counter when opening or closing" - that is a good point, especially since I'm not even 5 feet tall, w/ a very short reach.

thanks again.

    Bookmark   December 7, 2007 at 2:15PM
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jab913

huango - the channels are for the screens so that they can slide open. All of my windows have outside mounted solar screens so on the kitchen I took out the original window screen and then made two frames for the solar screen and mounted them into the aluminum channel which permits them to slide. That way I can still leave the window open with a screen in place. My wife made the mistake of letting the cat in that way a couple of times so now she thinks it is a door.

    Bookmark   December 8, 2007 at 2:19AM
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cloud_swift

Just saw this thread - I don't read kitchen forum as often now that my kitchen has been completed for almost a year.

Our pass-through window is pretty much a miniature version of our sliding doors - one fixed window and a sliding window with a sliding screen.

I'm 5' 1" and can reach the bottom of the window to close it or slide the screen but I have to stand on a step stool to reach the latch mechanism because it is at middle height on the center of the window.

We are in a mild winter hot summer area (near Sacramento, CA). Since our back wall is mostly glass with 4 full size sliding doors plus additional fixed glass panels, the sliding pass through doesn't make much difference.

teedup, for hot summers even with the occasional 115 temp, there is at most a 40 degree temp difference from an internal house temp of approx 75. On the other hand if a house is in a cold winter area where the outside temp drops to say 5 below zero, the temp difference is 80 degrees - twice as big a thermal differential - a very well insulated pass through and other windows is probably a bigger issue for cold winter people. And with our semi-arid climate the temperature drops to comfortable or even cool during the night time so we can cool the house back down with a whole house fan.

The issue with our very hot summers is more preventing heat gain from the sun shining in these windows rather than the conducted heat through the windows. We deal with that by trees that give our house lots of shade plus putting up some shade umbrellas on the back deck. Our house is old enough that it was built without double pane windows, but with shade, attic fans (which keep the attic from super-heating) and cooling off with whole house fans when the evening temperature drops, we rarely need our air conditioner in the summer.

    Bookmark   December 17, 2007 at 10:24AM
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teedup1

So, how much barbequeing is done when temps outside are below zero degrees? We have double insulated windows throughout the house and that kitchen window (on our north side) is a pass through...not a continually open one in either cold or A/C'd hot weather. It's a convenience item...I would think the same for those living in cold or hot climates. Maybe I missed something?

    Bookmark   December 17, 2007 at 1:14PM
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