We have just discovered a new option for countertops. These are manufactured in Spain and just now coming into the U.S Does anyone have these yet? any thoughts for or against.
Never heard of it before but I googled it and I like what I hear.
Here is a link that might be useful: Neolith
Found this too....way cool!
Here is a link that might be useful: thesize
My concern is who pays the cost for the risk of fabrication and installation. There is always a learning curve for fabricating new material and someone's got to pay tuition. I'd be interested in knowing how difficult it is to fabricate. Are there internal stresses that are released during fabrication as with some estones? I'd hate to have to meet an installation deadline with replacement material coming all the way from Spain. When it gets here, will it match?
There are other sources of porcelain slabs for countertops. DAL tile has SlimLite, it is recommended for countertops and comes in sheets of 39 x 118. As does Kerlite, I am thinking of using in a bath, they even have a porcelain Calacatta.
We saw these at KBIS last year. The material is stock locally. We just found a fabricator who has a good bit of experience with it. Just got samples and will be visiting an installation soon.
I'm excited about it and expect to be using it.
My wife is in love with them, almost wants to change out our counters.
I checked the Dal website and the origin of their tile is also Spain. Perhaps it's the same manufacturer? Thesize though had many more design options for counters. I personally loved the Marfil but for some reason the local distributor doesn't carry any of the designs that replicate marble. I'm calling today to find out more.
I'm wondering what the weak link is for these counters. How easy are they to crack? When i saw the video of one being fabricated it looked extremely easy. They had at times one person picking it up by themselves. It looked almost as if they were handling laminate. I would imagine the lightweightness and thinness decreases fabrication costs considerable.
Here is a link that might be useful: Installation & Care Instructions
This post was edited by aloha2009 on Tue, Dec 10, 13 at 9:09
The material is also used for inside/outside walls, ceilings, floors, and subway tunnels.
I hope that some people do try this out for counter tops and report back their experiences. It looks lovely, but I would want to hear more about durability, staining, etc., before trying it in my kitchen.
I called around to some of the fabricators on the list you have Neolith experience. The 1st two I called said that yes they had done it but would NEVER do it again. Besides saying it was a bunch of crap, I didn't understand the problems.
One that currently installs in and has been around for 70 years doing flooring and counters said they do install it but not very often...never so far for counters. I'm seeing red flags popping up everywhere!
The fabricator I spoke with has no problem with it. Said to use the thicker material, put a microbevel on the edge and a good substrate. It is apparently more precise than basic slab work.
Specs for heat and stain are super. Will be abusing samples shortly to understand chipping and hope to see an installation within the month. Plan to put in a display in the spring.
This stuff isn't new, used in Europe for some time.
This post was edited by jakuvall on Tue, Dec 10, 13 at 21:56
jakuvall - any update on putting in a display? or have you seen an installation?
I love the concept. So much more environmentally friendly that shipping giant slabs of stuff around. Seems so much more flexible to accommodate a variety of surfacing.
Yeah, I'll have granite counters installed within the week. But my choice would be something like Neolith if the price was right and I had confidence in the fabrication process.
I agree with Trebuchet that "early adopters" will pay for the learning curve and "boutique product" thing that new products go through.
No news. The job that required a visit to see ended up in quartz. Got very busy and brought on another designer so time and money for display is going to support that for now ( software, hardware, training, and salary). Hopefully I'll have recouped in the fall if things keep up
I just got an email that Alpha is now manufacturing special tooling to fabricate sintered tops. They must believe this stuff is going to become more popular. Somebody's gotta pay for those tools, and it ain't gonna be the fabricator.
Just saw slabs in Brooklyn this week and the estatuario marble look-a-like is beautiful! Looks exactly like honed marble, just not cold to the touch. I am ordering it for my kitchen counters. White with some grey and some beige in it probably a little like Calcutta gold? Really impressive. They said it wasn't difficult to fabricate, heat and stain resistant. Looking for a ny fabricator with experience with it.
Any update on the fabrication and/or installation of Neolith? We are considering it for a fireplace bench, but don't have much info… Thanks!
Take measurements and cash to a fabricator just before lunch. Don't be fussy and take a remnant.
following... I am interested in neolith as well.
an Neolith, Dekton, Lapitec, Fiandre. Still trying to sort all this out for an up coming job that we will be using one of them on. All have a bit different look and even after seeing them all at the kitchen and bath show a few weeks ago and in showrooms here in LA still not sure. Availability is also issue although most are stocked here and this texture thing some have I'm not a fan of. Pricing is all over the place at this point. Same top San Fran was nearly double of what I got quoted in LA. Fabricators have to take a certification class to be able to sell it and invest in some specialized cutting blades but it seems like some are just charging a premium because it's new and not a lot of people working with it. It has to be mitered to get any kind of thick edge. It has some great properties but be prepared to pay for it.
Hi jdesign_gw, thanks for your feedback. Price is impacted from location to location based on a number of factors, including shipping costs (to get the material in from Spain), color, thickness, slab size and fabrication needs. Many fabricators of Neolith are specially certified, but any marble or granite fabricator can handle the product with tools they already have (diamond saws and waterjet are popular methods).
Let us know if you have other questions! Thanks for your interest!
marthasiny - any updates on the Neolith estatuario? Wondering if you ended up using it in your kitchen?
I'm waiting for a second estimate on estatuario, but my first one was $29,000 for 92 sq ft. Far beyond my budget. I'm in Massachusetts.
Those prices are ridiculous. I know we're not in Kansas, uh, Europe, but even in Switzerland, where everything is outrageously expensive, a Neolith installation runs about as much as quartz.
We also had a thread that quoted west coast prices as substantially lower.
I decided against it because I'm concerned that the edges may chip. Although they mix resin in with the porcelain, I'm concerned about buildup edge around where my farm sink will be and didnt want to take chance. Lots of fabricators seemed wary of this around sink application. I saw a few suede silesstone quartz slabs that actually look great on a display counter, better than expected from viewing the slabs. Helix, pulsar and lagoon, So I'm torn between those right now. I love danby marble but brought home some honed samples and the etching will drive me crazy.
Martha, where in NY are you?
We are neighbors! I'm right over the bridge in Bay Ridge -at least our house is! Trying to do the big reno stuff before we move in.
hey enzaenza, we just moved from our co-op in bay ridge last week to a house in mill basin! still not done with the reno though!
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agk2003 - WOW! Two neighbors in one day : ) I would love to hear about your reno and swap info (although we haven't actually started ours yet.) Are you loving Mill Basin? Please email me at zzzdot com if you want to gab kitchens, Brooklyn, and renovating!!
ETA - looks like we drool over the same style kitchen!
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