New To Kitchens? Posting Pics? Read Me! [Help keep on Page 1]

buehlNovember 5, 2011

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buehl

The following thread contains the information we need to help you find a layout that works for you and your family as well as how to draw up and label a floor plan.

http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/kitchbath/msg010521247761.html

What are zones and how do you design with them in mind?

http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/kitchbath/msg0508230128712.html

A piece of advice: When you post a layout for comments, please do not take the comments you receive personally. Everyone here is trying to help, not criticize maliciously. We want you to have a kitchen that, in the end, functions wonderfully well and looks nice overall. This may mean that some of us may tear apart your layout and rebuild it to what we think will work better, but it's done with good intentions. We're not the best at just "validating" someones layout, we're best at critiquing!

I will warn you that most of us here are "function over form" (or "function first")...meaning we strive first for a functional layout and then fit the form or look around it. It is far easier to make a functional kitchen look nice than it is to make a nice looking but dysfunctional kitchen functional. So, if you are a form/looks over function person, be sure to state that when you post.

Some people here think "function over form" means that we want all kitchens to look the same....not true! What we do want is all kitchens to function well...which means that in 99% of the cases, the workflow is the same...so that will mean some similarities due to workflow. However, as each kitchen is unique, each will have its own unique quirks, etc.

In the end, remember this is your kitchen. You don't have to make any of the recommended changes if you don't want to!

[Note: If you're just posting for validation of your layout (i.e., you don't want comments that suggest changes), state that as well. If you don't, people will comment on it!

Warning: People may comment anyway, it's tough to let a kitchen go that you think is dysfunctional and will cause angst later...especially if it's not yet installed and we think we can help. Bear with us, we're just trying to help!]

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buehl

Bookmarking threads so you can find them later or saving them so you have them (and associated pictures) ''forever''

http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/kitchbath/msg0105292031876.html

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buehl

Steps to sealing a stone surface, if it needs it.

http://ths.gardenweb.com/forums/load/kitchbath/msg0105254810134.html

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enduring

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Angie_DIY

Johnny's in the basement, mixing up the medicine

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buehl

~bump~

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Angie_DIY

I'm on the pavement, thinking 'bout the government.

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The man in the trench coat, badge out, laid off

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Angie_DIY

says he has a bad cough, wants to get it paid off

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look out kid, it's something you did

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lol

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God knows when but you're doin' it again

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You better duck down the alleyway, lookin' for a new friend

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bump

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The man in the 'coon-skin cap in the big pen

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wants eleven dollar bills, and you only got ten.

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Maggie comes fleet foot

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Face full of black soot

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***bump***

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Angie_DIY

Talking that the heat put

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Angie_DIY

Plants in the bed, but

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***bump***

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Angie_DIY

The phone's tapped anyway

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Maggie says that many say

(Also, what were you doing on p. 3, you naughty thread?)

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Angie_DIY

They must bust in early May

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romper stomper bumper do

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EATREALFOOD

"Never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."

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Angie_DIY

Orders from the DA.

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MileHighDiva

Bump.

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shappy

Can somebody please help me post pics on a mac or an ipad? It's been years since I posted pics and can't remember how and for some reason I just can't follow the instructions given on GW. Thank you in advance!!

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Angie_DIY

Look out kid,

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Don't matter what you did,

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Bump!

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Walk on your tip toes

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shappy

Help on a mac for posting pics? please

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ginny20

bump

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MileHighDiva

Bump.

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breezygirl

My favorite new saying, thanks to Rhome:

"Don't try to win over the haters.
You are not the JERK whisperer!"

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Angie_DIY

Don't try No-Doz

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Better stay away from those

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crash ~bump~ into me

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who carry around a fire hose

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enduring

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Angie_DIY

Keep a clean nose

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Watch the plain clothes

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You don't need a weatherman

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To know which way the wind blows.

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Awww, get sick, get well

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Hang around an ink well

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Ring bell, hard to tell

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If anything is gonna sell

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Try hard, get barred

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Get back, write Braille

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Angie_DIY

Get jailed, jump bail

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shmeal

I've read most of these and they were so helpful. So here is my effort to BUMP the thread.

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Angie_DIY

Join the army if you fail

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Look out kid,

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You're gonna get hit

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But users, cheaters

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bump
Angie_DYI, love it!

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Angie_DIY

six-time losers

(Thanks, enduring. You recognize it, I assume?)

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bump up

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Angie_DIY

Hang around the theaters

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Girl by the whirlpoo

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Angie_DIY

Ooops, make that "Girl by the whirlpool"

Lookin' for a new fool

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Don't follow leaders

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Watch the parkin' meters.

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"Never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."
dedicated to the guy who just screwed up my granite saddles, thanks Nino.

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Angie_DIY

Ahhh, get born, keep warm.

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isitdoneyet

...should be working...

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Angie_DIY

Short pants, romance

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Learn to dance

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carry a lance

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Angie_DIY

Get dressed, get blessed

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Try and be a success

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Bumperooooo

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I'm making chicken soup tonight on my new CC rangetop!! yahoo!

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Please her, please him

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Buy gifts

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note to self-- slow down enough to enjoy this month

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Page 3??????? Naughty thread called. Up you go

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~bump~

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buehl

~bump~*~bump~

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Angie_DIY

Don't steal, don't lift

(I'm baaaack!)

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***bump***

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Angie_DIY

Twenty years of schoolin'

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Angie_DIY

and they put you on the day shift.

(What were you doing on p. 3, you naughty thread?!)

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Look out kid,

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They keep it all hid

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Better jump down a manhole

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Light yourself a candle

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Don't wear sandals

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Try to avoid scandals

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Don't want to be a bum

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You better chew gum

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The pump don't work

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Angie_DIY

'cause the vandals stole the handle.

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Angie_DIY

For those of you who were wondering, that was "Subterranean Homesick Blues" by Bob Dylan. What lyrics should we play next? Enduring? Buehl? Whaddya request? :-)

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Angie_DIY

Okay, I'll start then...

Stayed in bed all morning just to pass the time

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Angie_DIY

There's something wrong here, there can be no denying

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Angie_DIY

One of us is changing

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Angie_DIY

Or maybe we just stopped trying

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And it's too late, baby, now it's too late

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Though we really did try to make it

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Angie_DIY

Something inside has died

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enduring

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Angie_DIY

And I can't hide and I just can't fake it

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tashamh2

Buehl, thank you for reposting this thread. I had a hard time finding the Sweeby test. Is there a way to make it more prominent? I finally found it in the "When Planning Kitchen" thread and find it truly invaluable as a newbie.

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buehl

The Sweeby Test is in the first post of this thread.

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Angie_DIY

It used to be so easy living here with you

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buehl

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Holiday bump!

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tashamh2

Hi Buehl,

I'm probably calling the post by the wrong name. I'm referring to the following post by Sweeby:

" Posted by sweeby (My Page) on
Sat, Jan 9, 10 at 12:21

Great wisdom so far. Let me add a bit more.

One: Go through what you have now and give away or throw out the stuff you never use. How many coffee mugs do you have that you never use? How many cheapo spatulas that you'd only use if pigs flew? How many freebie koozies in the back of the drawer? How many mismatched plastic cups and plates you'd never use? How much lidless Tupperware? How many grody pots & pans leftover from your college days or Hubby's bachelor pad? Get that junk out of your soon-to-be-beautiful space! Use the 'Would I buy it at a garage sale?" test if you're not sure.

Two: Once you've thrown out the junk, inventory the stuff you have, and classify it by function and frequency of use. For example:
- One 36" drawer of daily use pots & pans,
- One 36" drawer of weekly/monthly use cookware,
- Two 24" shelves of every day china dishes,
- One 24" shelf of every day glassware,
- Two 36" shelves of fancy (Holiday) china and glassware.

Having this inventory is invaluable for planning your new space. Without it, you just won't know how much of what type of space you need, and you could end up with too little storage, or else sacrificing something you'd really like for storage space you didn't need. The security of knowing that 40% of your storage could actually go into a back room pantry (turkey roaster, lobster pot, espresso maker...) with hardly any loss of functionality gives you a huge amount of design flexibility.

Three: Prioritize lifestyle choices and preferences. Things like:
- One seat near the prep area so I can help Sonny with his homework while I cook dinner,
- Buffet zone for casual entertaining,
- Cozy seating area for two for morning coffee with Hubby,
- Open sight lines to the TV-watching area or PC so I can supervise the kids,
- Closed sight lines to the dining area so I don't have to see the mess while I eat!

This may sound crazy, but make a list of how your ideal kitchen will function, then rate the items on that list for how important they are to you. Which are deal-killers and which are 'nice to haves'? Also include what activities are daily and what are annual. There's an old adage in real estate: "Don't build the church for Easter Sunday." Apply that to your kitchen plan; plan for your maximum regular use, not for your maximum ever use.

You may not be able to get everything on your list (who can?), but at least you'll be able to choose wisely. By having my inventory and lifestyle choices, I was able to confidently choose the design that met 95% of my lifestyle wants and all of my storage needs over a design that offered much more storage and counter-top space but only 80% of my lifestyle list. Knowing that I didn't need more storage space got me a much better kitchen!"

Here is a link that might be...

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beachpea3

bump...Happy New Year!

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buehl

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EngineerChic

bump ...

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xc60

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mmhmmgood

bump one last time?

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