Ultracraft Destiny or Kraftmaid Venicia?

gladNovember 15, 2007

There hasn't been that much feedback on either of these, but given the mixed comments on "regular" Kraftmaid, and the ability to customize Ultracraft a little more, I decided to go with Ultracraft. However....

There is only one place near me that carries them (I've even talked to the sales rep) and I'm not finding them so responsive -- a bit if a red flag when they don't even have my money yet. I have two places to get Kraftmaid which SEEM a little more responsive...but who knows.One is EXPO and they are pricey. So, the question is....

Should I stick with my original plan and be persistent or switch to Venicia; I will be using the store for installation as well. Any good or bad experience with either would be helpful. :)

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sw1347

Went through the same debate and decided on Ultracraft. I am using buycabinets when I order, so it's decent deal, but from a versatility perspective Ultracraft wins out. Mind you, I haven't ordered these yet, but that's what I found.

    Bookmark   November 15, 2007 at 5:27PM
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alku05

Have you looked into Kitchencraft? We chose them over the Kraftmaid Venicia. The quotes were pretty much right on, and we liked the Kitchencraft finish better. Also, we were able to get a few totally customized cabinets from them including a microwave base cabinet with pocket doors and a drawer underneath.

    Bookmark   November 15, 2007 at 8:58PM
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needanap

Get references from the cabinet place and talk to other people who have used them. Lousy service can make your life very painful up front and down the road (when the cabinet order comes in wrong!)

    Bookmark   November 15, 2007 at 11:15PM
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glad

thx, everyone.
alku - i couldn't find any kitchencraft nearby when i looked on their site, but i'll do a little more searching -- sometimes those lists aren't complete.

needanap- ironically i met a guy at a granite place who'd used the same place and designer. he was happy - though he's doing his own install; he just warned me to have him be specific when he created the estimate about the descriptions of what each cabinet was.they had some miscommunication and ended up paying a little more, but i can stay on top of that.

    Bookmark   November 16, 2007 at 8:51AM
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glad

alku - are your cabinets frameless? I thought they did have frameless. But I just called customer service and she told me they do not!

btw, has anyone heard of optima? one of the places that has venicia carries this custom frameless line as well. i have no idea of quality/pricing , though they told me it is a better cabinet than venicia.

    Bookmark   November 16, 2007 at 9:55AM
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alku05

Yes, Kitchencraft only makes frameless cabinets! You didn't accidently look up Kitchen Kraft with a "K" did you? They're a different company, and only do custom. (Why can't cabinet companies come up with distinct names?) More likely I suspect the phone answerer you talked to doesn't know what they're talking about.

Here is a link that might be useful: Kitchencraft's construction page showing their frameless construction

    Bookmark   November 16, 2007 at 10:28AM
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glad

i did call the 800 number at the same site you posted! now here's where it gets further confusing. there is a high end kitchen store near me who i called last month that i am pretty sure told me they don't have frameless. and he definitely told me they don't have thermofoil. you know, the whole, "no, the higher end cabinets we deal in don't use thermofoil"-atitude. :) well, their web site says they have kitchen craft! and kitchen craft has some thermo doors on their site i may have to give another call, though i don't know that i'll get the best attention from that kind of place - i'd be at the low end of what they're used to!

    Bookmark   November 16, 2007 at 10:54AM
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alku05

Cabinet shopping was the most frustrating part of the process simply b/c there's so many cabinet people that don't know ANYTHING about cabinets. Good luck with the new kitchen store.

    Bookmark   November 16, 2007 at 1:52PM
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glad

very happy to know this could be the most frustrating part! the ultracraft people seem knowledgeable -- just a little bit on the salesy/slick side.

    Bookmark   November 16, 2007 at 3:59PM
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cooneinten

I've been looking at Venicia and just found Destiny online.

Are those and Kitchen Craft all in the same price range? Thx!

    Bookmark   November 22, 2007 at 7:36PM
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lightlystarched

I decided to go with Ultracraft. I have a cabinet store near my house and they've been wonderful. I have a very small kitchen (9.5 x 9.5) of cabinetry and they've given me as much attention as someone with a $$$ kitchen. I really like the Ultracraft. We're doing the Stickley cabinets in golden maple. I like the Stickley over the Shaker because the center panel is thicker.

    Bookmark   November 22, 2007 at 8:14PM
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dianalo

Hey all,
Back when we first were looking, we were deciding between those 2 lines as well. I heard much better reviews about the UC and liked them better in person. The best part was they were going to cost less the than the KMs.
We ended up deciding on IKEA Applad cabs and were able to give up some size options in order to get the price waaaay lower by using IKEA. The UC's best price for us was $17k and the IKEA come out to approx $3,500. The IKEA cabs in Applad are actually not thermofoil after all, but they do have the Abstrakt in thermo. I did not feel the quality was as good in the Abstrakt in the showroom, but then again, those get beat on by hundreds of people a day. It is something to consider.
If your only choices are UC or KM, I'd go with UC.
HTH

    Bookmark   November 23, 2007 at 11:29AM
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glad

i did look into ikea on yours and others suggestion, dianalo. unfortunately they were missing a couple of key sizes. i have decided to go ahead with the ultracraft(mission ii thermofoil) and hope it works out with this place. they measured on tuesday but, with the long weekend, i'm not sure how fast i'll get the layout/price estimate. when i asked earlier for a ballpark estimate based on linear feet, i was given a figure of $8500 plus tax and shipping (i have 22 lf). it will be interesting to see how close that ends up being. :)

    Bookmark   November 23, 2007 at 12:24PM
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glad

cooneinten - i would guess that kitchen craft is in the same general ballpark, based on the reporting in this thread of venecia vs ultracraft and venecia vs kitchen craft. it probably depends in part on the specific store and mybe even the geographic area. i have not seen kitchen craft, but i did prefer the ultracraft white finish slightly ove the venecia finish.

    Bookmark   November 23, 2007 at 12:39PM
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glad

just an update. today i signed the order for the ultracraft cabinets. we sat and went over each cabinet one-by-one on the layout and made a couple of changes. frankly, the price seems so good, that i'm a little concerned i still may have missed or forgotten something! i did catch a sale and am not doing much in the way of upgrades/custom. also, heat shields and finished ends are included at no extra charge.the labor was half the estimate expo gave me for the venecia.(which, of course reflects on expo, not kraftmaid)

the satin white sample door really looked like wood to me. he told me the color is like dove white, which made me feel good, since that seems to be so popular here for painted cabinets. :)

i'm so happy to finally be getting this project underway!

    Bookmark   December 7, 2007 at 2:59PM
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1westerngal

Glad, are you still active on this site? How do you like your Ultracraft cabinets now six years later? I am in the middle of deciding between kitchencraft and ultracraft myself.

    Bookmark   March 16, 2013 at 1:51AM
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