Did your fabricator understand about postive reveal?

marti8aSeptember 20, 2012

When I told the lady at the fabricator over the phone that I wanted a positive reveal, she said she didn't know what that was and would have to find out. Someone came out today to do the template and I showed him the template that came with the sink, and the sink and cutting board. The paper template that came with the sink is a bit smaller than the cutting board, but I told him I wanted a positive reveal so the cutting board could sit on top of the edge of the sink. He said the size of the template would make it so the cutting board fit on top of the granite, not inside it. I explained that the edge of the granite should be next to the cutting board as it rested on the edge of the sink. He said he understood and said that the wood bracing they usually used probably wouldn't work. I asked if he had heard of sink setter and he said he had and that's probably what it would take to support the sink with that much of a reveal.

He ended up taking my sink and it's template, but left the cutting board here.

This is the sink I ordered Ticor, but my cutting board is a bit different.

And here is what I want it to look like (this is the only photo I could find online for anything like it)

When they left, I had the funny feeling I would be rushing for a telephone booth to change into my witch costume.

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Yeah, my fabricator pretty much refused to do a positive reveal and looked at me like I had three heads when I asked. I was on the fence with which reveal I wanted, so I gave up and just went with it. It doesn't bother me, but then I don't have a cutting board designed exactly for a positive reveal sink!

    Bookmark   September 20, 2012 at 3:36PM
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I just called the office and asked when they were going to come out and make the templates and he said on straight runs they just take measurements. That is NOT what I was told when I checked out this fabricator. They told me they would make physical templates on the cabinets. My walls aren't square and I told him I didn't want any gaps between the wall and granite.


    Bookmark   September 20, 2012 at 3:39PM
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OMG, Marti! Its not fair you've had so many boneheaded experiences getting your counters! Now they don't template?? Geez.

A slight positive reveal is standard with my fabricator. The templater began his spiel with rme about the pros and cons of the reveals and why they do positive when I stopped him. I already knew I wanted a whisper-tiny reveal. It's another huge red flag to me that they don't seem to know about reveals.

Is it too late to look again for another fabricator? Maybe pay a little more to get someone who knows what they're doing and are up to industry standards?

    Bookmark   September 20, 2012 at 3:50PM
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Probably not too late. I haven't given them anything (except my sink) and haven't signed a contract.

    Bookmark   September 20, 2012 at 4:08PM
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They said it was typical on straight run counters (mine is a galley) not to do physical templates, just to take measurements.

Has anyone else found that to be the case? Or were your straight run counters templated with paper, vinyl or something physical?

    Bookmark   September 20, 2012 at 4:14PM
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Make sure you are clear about what you want and tell them don't do anything until you are 100% sure they understand what you want. And if you are having trouble getting to that point with them, go someplace else.

I went with a negative reveal and my sink looks great. My fabricator refused to do a positive or zero reveal. I already had my slab cut at the point of the sink conversation and learned the hard way. My advice would be if you are getting the feeling you are forcing the fabricator to do something they are not comfortable with, they are not the right fabricator for you.

    Bookmark   September 20, 2012 at 4:19PM
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Circus Peanut

Both of my sinks have positive reveals, LOVE them. They're harder to get right, thus the fabricator reluctance, I suspect.

We made a cutting board for the prep sink, just as you describe:

    Bookmark   September 20, 2012 at 7:27PM
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Here's our experience. We have two straight runs: one along a wall and the adjoining peninsula. On the wall portion, the countertop flows into the bow window seat at the sink. Like you, our walls are not plumb.

Our fabricator both measured and created a template. He used a very low tech process: a glue gun and strips of a plastic-like material. I was worried a bit because I'd heard about the fancy laser templating processes being more precise. BUT, in the end, I think there's both science and art involved in creating a granite/marble countertop. Ours fit fine.

As to the sink cutout: though he said he usually did a negative reveal -- admitting that it was easier -- he willingly did a tiny positive reveal that I am very, very happy with.

I certainly agree with everyone else. If the fabricator is fighting you at every step, find another. Also, you don't want the fabricator working outside his/her comfort zone with your slab of granite being, in effect, the practice piece!

    Bookmark   September 20, 2012 at 7:39PM
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I was impressed with my fabricator last summer on my kitchen and used the same one on the kitchen on the house I am moving too. I thought I had a good fabricator and listening to your stories, I do!!

For both of mine, they came and made a high tech template using these dots and lasers and lots of photos and measurements. It took a long time, 45 minutes or so on a very small kitchen. The one I am doing is a simple galley with straight runs. The template guy pointed out to me how one of my walls takes a dive at one end and and cabinet follows it and said that is the right thing for the cabinet to do and he would compensate with the stone. He said my distance between cabinets was a little large for my range and he would make the stone so it was perfect. He had a radius template made of wood and had me choose the radius that I wanted at each corner and where the counters would end with respect to the walls since it wasn't always clear. Then he showed me a drawing of sinks and counters that was labeled positive and negative reveal and asked me which I wanted for my sink!! I didn't tell him I was a GW'er and knew what they were!

That is what I think I good fabricator should do. And my counters fit perfect with no gaps and as I mentioned in a previous thread, they take the stone in and out of the house back to the truck to do all their polishing and fine tuning outside, leaving little dust behind in the kitchen.

    Bookmark   September 20, 2012 at 8:19PM
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Ok, I'm calling them tomorrow!

    Bookmark   September 20, 2012 at 11:05PM
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I have a galley with straight runs on each side, and the fabricator did a physical template after the cabs were in. I can't remember if he had lasers; I remember it involved foam core, exacto knife, and markers. It was perfect.

He also knew about different types of reveals. While he had an opinion, he could do either.

    Bookmark   September 21, 2012 at 10:16AM
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